Bonus Episode: With Great Power #216...22 Panels with Alex Cormack & Anthony Cleveland

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Tad Eggleston: Welcome back to 22 panels. My guest today is Alex Cormac back for the 6th time, I believe the 6th time with your 4th different partner because you get around.

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Tad Eggleston: I am. I'm very friendly.

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Tad Eggleston: the second different partner that we can't see the face of. But I'm told that this is only because he doesn't have a camera on this computer, not because, like with the mysterious Curtis Martins, he he can't tell us his real name or whereabouts, or anything. So, Anthony Cleveland, how are you today?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Great! How are you doing.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm doing good. The upcoming book which we'll talk about in a second is buried long, long ago. But but right before I hit record. Anthony said something about Alex having a

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Tad Eggleston: a Youtube channel of cartoons, and like.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: 6 appearance, and it's his 1st time mentioning it.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's this is my point. I thought we had a special bond. Alex, how do

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Tad Eggleston: know about your Youtube panel of cartoons? And Anthony, what's the

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Tad Eggleston: since? I don't trust Alex to give me the information, Anthony, where do we find it?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Alex. Cormac and search Youtube. And it came right up for me. Animation.

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Tad Eggleston: Alex Cormack animation. So before he was the killestrator he was the animator.

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Alex Cormack: Yep, and.

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Tad Eggleston: Very disappointed that your blue sky doesn't say killustrator yet.

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Alex Cormack: Doesn't it.

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Tad Eggleston: Because the no, it just says Alex Cormac, illustrator, and it.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, that's got you!

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Tad Eggleston: Better when after this, it's the 1st thing I'm doing.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm the one that I'm the one that that coined the kill illustrator, and I think it's perfect for Alex.

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Tad Eggleston: So, Anthony, tell me what attracted you to bell gunness, and like, introduce us to bell gunness and and the the comic, in whichever order you would prefer.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Sure. Yeah, let's start with Bell.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: She was a serial killer from Norway. Came to Laporte, Indiana. That's like Northwest Indiana. She put ads in Chicago, newspapers for lonely men to come to her farm and bring all their money with her with them, and when they showed up with the money, she would kill them and bury them in the hog pit

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: and she actually probably got away with this by faking her death, and took the money and run, and we don't know what happened to her.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I was introduced to the story because the La Porte County Historical Society has a awesome Museum

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: when I was a kid it was actually based in the

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Courthouse, where, a lot of the trials for Bell took place, not for her, but one of her possible associates.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: and they had a creepy back basement exhibit about her.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: They had one of the sheds that they used to store the bodies that they found that was there a wheelbarrow that she used to haul the bodies out.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: and then, like the creepy, like all of that stuff. The creepiest part was like this paper mache mannequin of Bell, just standing and staring.

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Tad Eggleston: If for for our listeners, if you

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Tad Eggleston: Google Bell Gunness, the La Porte County Historical Society Museum, is one of the 1st things that comes up, and when you click on that link you get the picture of what Anthony is describing right now. And man, is it creepy as fuck.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: That's what got me and like that was my dad's like. That's the one that was there when I was, you know, young, and I'm like, Oh, my God! That's been there since the dinosaurs were here.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: But yeah, that was, that's what got me the most, and I think

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: it stuck with me. I think that was probably my 1st time seeing coming to face to face with like serial killers. I was too young to really know, like I thought the monsters were.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: You know that Guy was Frankenstein and Dracula, and then, all of a sudden, I am face to face with

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: someone who did all of this, and you know, did it for money, too. Just

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: the shell shock that stuck with me.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, maybe it was a different time. But like

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Tad Eggleston: putting an ad in a newspaper that says, Come to Laporte, Indiana, and bring all your money.

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Tad Eggleston: Doesn't that feel awfully suspicious?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Oh, yeah, I mean, like it was.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I don't.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: It was. It was phrased a lot better than what I dropped, but it was more like align fortunes with me. You know someone wants to.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Merchants with a widow on this farm. But yeah, I mean.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I joke at it all the time, because it's you know it's my area, and I know how a lot of these folks still are. They mind their own business, but it's like revolving door of men coming to the farm and not leaving, but the trunks still staying.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: It's more like, you know. We mind her own business, or whatever she's got going on over there. It's you know her problem.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, they just went on for a long time until the house caught fire, and then from there they kind of dug around on the property, and like just like how she would bury the bodies, too, was she had the handyman would deal, dig them

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: like outhouse pits or refuge pits. So things like that. And

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: someone commented like, we dug a lot of those pits.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: And then they started poking around in the pits. And that's where they found all the bodies.

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Tad Eggleston: So yeah. So she didn't even do her own digging.

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Tad Eggleston: He's going aware of that. I'm I'm trying to process that.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Oh!

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Tad Eggleston: Did she have them move the bags with the bodies, and did they not go? Why, why is there so much blood in this bag, and why are we tossing it.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, that's why they had. The one of guys on trial was like, there he she had to have accomplices what people are saying. But I mean.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't think.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: They convicted that person for anything.

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Tad Eggleston: Right?

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Tad Eggleston: Right?

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow!

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Tad Eggleston: So did you grow up in Indiana?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, yeah, are you.

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Tad Eggleston: Still in Indiana, or did you.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yep.

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Tad Eggleston: Did you? Here? You are. Okay.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Same county, everything.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, my grandmother grew up in Crown Point. Okay? And and I still have a friend. Who's the I forget what his. He's 1 of the editors at the Northwest Indiana Times, and and I'm in the Chicago area. So we're not that far from each other. It's Alex is way the hell off on the.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Sketch.

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Tad Eggleston: With nice trees and stuff around in my ear, or something like that.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, we got some trees.

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Tad Eggleston: Right now, that's true.

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Tad Eggleston: True. So so it sounds like you've been attracted to this story since childhood.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah. And it's really, I mean, I try to do it.

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Tad Eggleston: Can you do.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I try to do a few different ways. I think, like, I remember writing like a creepypasta version of it on the Internet, and like exaggerating it way more than even we exaggerate with this story. And then I think I tried to do like a screenplay in school a bit more like a Docu

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: drama, then a documentary. And then we finally got to this comic book version, which also kind of went through some changes

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: and introduce the more like fairy tale, I guess elements to the story, and then

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Tad Eggleston: All right.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Around that time, I think Alex and I

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: met about the project, and I think it hasn't really changed too much since. Besides, you know, really fleshing out the characters. The the 3 girls.

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Tad Eggleston: So, and I promise, Alex, eventually we'll talk to you. But I.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, whatever I.

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Tad Eggleston: So, yeah.

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Alex Cormack: Well, I, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: He's like I got my 5 timers jacket already, or at least I'm owed it.

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Alex Cormack: This is great. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: so 1st give me and give me the like, the front counter pitch for this comic. You're you're at a comic shop. Who do you sell it to? How do you sell it?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I've been doing a lot of local stuff lately.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: but I've been like, if a lot of local people even don't really know the Belgana story. So I usually say.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: fairy tale version of a true crime serial killer Yada Yada Yada.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: and that usually gets people kind of interested in it, and then from there I kind of blossom out.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: But for the most part everyone I've been talking to kind of knows the story, or wants to know more about the story afterwards.

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Tad Eggleston: Fairy tale version of a true crime. That's a good, that's a that's a good condensation.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Just to get started. Yeah, just to get started.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, but that's I mean, that's the key to the front front counter. Pitch. You gotta drop something fast to make them go. Tell me more.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I've I've had a few people like, I don't like that. I'm like, I, okay, great.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, and you know, that's that's yeah.

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Alex Cormack: That's airline.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, it's the 1st time like you, I mean, yeah, it's whatever they they were. They weren't a retailer, so they didn't matter.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And then

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Alex Cormack: Yes.

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Tad Eggleston: How did you get hooked up with Alex?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Did you just.

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Tad Eggleston: Put an ad in.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yes.

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Tad Eggleston: Chicago paper to say.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, he he he promised.

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Tad Eggleston: Come to La Porte with all of your drawing tools.

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Alex Cormack: I sold all my money in my pockets, and tell anybody

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Alex Cormack: this time it worked out, though, so how did I get knocked on the head.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Drop a meat grinder on. There ain't. No, there ain't no fortune to align. Unfortunately.

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Alex Cormack: That will be right.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Here? What.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, my God! That's it!

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I mean, I was looking for

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: an artist at the time with through another publisher

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: the the project was basically green lit. But we need to define

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Alex Cormack: An artist, and so I scrambled to find an artist, and the only one that wrote me back was Alex. And I'm like that's all I wanted.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Alex had just done. Road of bones, not road of bones, but are not just done it. But maybe a few years later, and like when I think of historical horror like, that's the person I wanted to do, or want to do the book with.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, as it turns out, Alex can do pretty much anything.

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Tad Eggleston: That that's a superpower.

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Tad Eggleston: It's true.

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Alex Cormack: Well, you see the Youtube channel, you'll know what's up.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I was. Gonna say, yeah, we'll get a good Youtube channel. You'll definitely see it.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Comedy. The comedy.

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Tad Eggleston: I believe it. That's I'm glancing at some of it already.

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Tad Eggleston: But that's that's like what I love about Alex is that whatever

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Tad Eggleston: whatever the story is, he can adapt his style to fit it.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I mean, that was definitely in this one. I was like, because it starts starts with the like a fairytale version. And I'm like our horses. Okay, our nights. Okay, I'm making sure, like all this stuff is, gonna be

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: workable. And it's just he was all for.

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Tad Eggleston: And Alex is like dude. I'm a pro.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, it was more than that. It was like.

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Tad Eggleston: Why, why are you asking?

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Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna give you a wizard also, right?

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Tad Eggleston: Right? Is. The opening stuff is very classic fairy tale, and done so well.

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Tad Eggleston: And and then you fall. I mean the I mean just just using, like Alex books. The art style has

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Tad Eggleston: tinges of your crimson cage in it. But but it's also very clearly. It's almost got a sepia. Feel to it that that like sets it in that.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Obviously not a sepia feel, but the the colors are. I don't know my art terms well enough, but but the colors are washed or dulled, or whatever we want, whatever term.

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Alex Cormack: To make it so.

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Tad Eggleston: Feel, or.

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Alex Cormack: Andrew, big influence was Andrew Wyatt, which was like, like, this is kind of what I'm thinking of this world to look like. And I was like, Yeah, perfect. This is what the world. This is, what it should be.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Alex Cormack: So but yeah, no. So yeah, I know what I'm talking about. But yeah, it's especially this issue. It's like that.

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Alex Cormack: And as we said before, as you get on as you get going in it, and later issues is really like a mix of Andrew Wyeth and Basil Gogos are, I think I would say the same right. But which is completely

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Alex Cormack: other end of the spectrum. So it's a yeah. I guess that's.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Hmm.

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Tad Eggleston: And see. This is also why I always love talking to

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Tad Eggleston: Alex, because he's like a student of art.

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Tad Eggleston: But the Wazoo.

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Alex Cormack: Esther.

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Alex Cormack: I went to college.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. But you also remember things.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, right, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And you're always looking for more. I feel like the 1st time we talked we spent like

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Tad Eggleston: the last half of the show. John actually had to be quiet because you and I were geeking about different comics that nobody else had ever heard of.

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Tad Eggleston: and making John Lee's quiet for for 15 min is not. I love John, but that's not his. It's not his forte.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, how's that?

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Tad Eggleston: So

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Alex Cormack: I guess again.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes, he does, Anthony.

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Tad Eggleston: you said that you you've you've had this story kicking around, and it's gone through.

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Tad Eggleston: What

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Tad Eggleston: drew you to comics for the story kind of give me your comics history from like, I mean. And and even if it's boring, and I didn't know about comics until 6 months ago, and when somebody said, Read this.

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Tad Eggleston: it's way better if you can tell me the one you bought when you were 4, and you were like hooked from then. But if you, if you're new to it, we'll just be happy that you're here.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I really have to work on my comics origin story, because it's it's it's that. And there's the other one is. Well, I went to school for film, and I ended up doing comics.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I hear that one all the time.

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Alex Cormack: Quick!

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Tad Eggleston: Which that happens a lot. But there are definitely people in the medium that you gotta be careful about saying that with.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Which version, because you, if you haven't picked up the master edition yet, you really should.

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Tad Eggleston: So yeah. Eddie went back, and he redid a lot of inks that he wasn't happy with. He he did all of his own coloring. That's the way that Eddie Campbell wanted it to look from Day one and didn't have the time or resources to make it look. And when he was given the opportunity by top shelf to do it.

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Tad Eggleston: He? He did. It's not. It's not even quite the George Lucas, where I didn't know what could be done later. And now that I know that you can do these things. I'm going back and doing them. It's.

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Tad Eggleston: He could have done it that way, except that it wasn't going to be able to be printed well, that way, and they didn't have the time and budget for him to to rework things. Some, you know, sometimes, and Alex can probably speak to this. You got to go. Yeah, I don't like that, but it's due. I can't start.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, for sure!

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I kinda knew what it was, but I didn't know what it was. That's where I was like. Oh, my God!

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Tad Eggleston: So sorry I didn't mean to interrupt. You said you were looking at from hell.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: So yeah, no. The origin I I the comics origin. So school thing then got odd jobs. I worked as a coroner deputy, and this

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: And with that subreddit I could connect to like all these artists from all over the world.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: and just got into self publishing from there, and was lucky enough to get into the mad cave talent. Search after that, and been rolling ever since.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: So it was like a story written in one of their Ips that they own, and what I did was took one of my corner cases that I worked and spun it into a story from one of their ips.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: they told me like I think I don't think they they did say everyone at the office cried, but I'm like.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: But yeah, that was it. And when I once I heard that like, I mean

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: And so we were all kind of plugged together on various books, that we would be the best matches, according to, you know our scripts that we turned in, or our art that we turned in.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Okay.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's pretty much it.

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Tad Eggleston: So and this is this is where I didn't didn't do my due diligence, because I've had a headache for the last 48 h.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Everything through Mad Cave. And it's also like in house stories. So it's all right.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Own, and then.

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Tad Eggleston: So so grim tales from the cave.

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Tad Eggleston: See? See, I started doing my due diligence because I've got Google up.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I mean, I could

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: list them off. It's it's shows in charred remains. I guess. Also show shows in Volume 2, stargazer.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Okay? And then one short and grim tales from the cave.

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Tad Eggleston: Things things to go now check out because because I'm enjoying this. Enough that you know.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I just. I go all over the place. Sorry you're probably noticing that already.

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Alex Cormack: It's because we don't have the damn camera.

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Tad Eggleston: Headache for 48 h.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, get loosen that hat!

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Tad Eggleston: No, it doesn't have anything to do with the hat. The hat makes me feel safer.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. No.

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Alex Cormack: Just one, just one button off the thing in the back, and you'll be all right.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's fitted. It's.

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Alex Cormack: I gotta lose it that way.

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Tad Eggleston: What put that in your head? What were you doing or watching that made? Oh, I know what would make this story work. We need to have the girl tell a fairy tale while her mom's killing people.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I think so. Christmas tree lights. They're blinking.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: The guy she married, but before him there was like originally a brothel. There was poisonings.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: See, my my wife is the true crime, junkie, and has recently.

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Tad Eggleston: I say recently, but it's been a few years now.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: We don't get as far into the history we.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: You don't get that much time with comics. It's all.

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Tad Eggleston: Get 5 issues.

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Tad Eggleston: Lucky, more.

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Alex Cormack: There's yeah, there's lots in there. So yeah.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: And we put those things in the back.

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Alex Cormack: You're not getting short changed.

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Tad Eggleston: Right, right.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Certainly.

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Tad Eggleston: So, Alex. What appealed to you about the story.

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Alex Cormack: You should.

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Tad Eggleston: Say yes to everybody.

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Alex Cormack: I say, yes, everybody. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'm beginning.

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Alex Cormack: Mean? It works for you. But

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Alex Cormack: it was it it was that it was the fact that this was a passion project for Anthony, this is somebody. Had

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Alex Cormack: he cook around for his whole life, you know. So how do you? How would you not want to be a part of this. But but that aside, he told me the story. I'm like, Oh, this is, this is great. Yeah, with the

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Alex Cormack: just the idea of like for art's sake, it's horror. So that's always fun. But but there's lots of challenges, too. There's a whole story around revolves around these kids at that point. I'm like, all right, I've done a couple of kids thing, but nothing too heavy. So that, like, all right, bring that on. That'll be a challenge. But it was the story. It was how we told the story and the the original picture he gave me.

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Alex Cormack: like heavy horror, not like a evil dead type of thing, or a like even though it wasn't a influence as it goes on like a dead alive thing like.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, like explosions and gore. And like all this great. But it was really had a very down to earth, like creepy

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Alex Cormack: vibe to it that I was like, oh, this, this could be really interesting to draw. And I was like, Yeah, let's do it.

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Tad Eggleston: I have a perfect question for Anthony that I'll get to in a second. But I'm having also an autistic brain moment, where, as soon as you said stuff about kids, I remember that your son popped in on the last podcast to introduce us to his bear and said that his bear's birthday was the next day, and you were going to have a party which was news to you at the time, so did you manage to plan? The party appropriately. Was he pleased.

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Alex Cormack: If I remember correctly, it's a monkey.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah.

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Alex Cormack: And I think we even had enough time to run out to grab a banana pinata

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Alex Cormack: do something. Just some fun. Yeah. So yeah, no. It went off with a hitch.

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Tad Eggleston: See, this is. This is how awesome of a dad Alex is.

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Tad Eggleston: and his son crashes the podcast to announce that his stuffed animal is having a birthday.

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Alex Cormack: That's right. It was a.

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Tad Eggleston: Makes it happen.

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Alex Cormack: It was nuts.

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Tad Eggleston: So, Anthony, I've talked to Alex a lot. I'm a huge fan of Alex's work. So so I know from talking to people who work with him. That

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Tad Eggleston: generally what he brings to the table I don't want to say changes the story, but often changes the way they look at the story.

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Tad Eggleston: What? What has it been like getting pages from, Alex? And how has that?

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Tad Eggleston: How has it made you look at the the work you did? And and what does it make you feel for future issues as you give them more scripts, that sort of thing. It was kind.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Weird because it was like I wanted to tell him to do some things, ask him to do some things, but I didn't wanna overstep to what makes Alex Alex. And then he was giving me new things that were surprisingly what I said in my head.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: It was very weird, like

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Alex doesn't have. I mean, I haven't seen his other stuff where he's pulled like manga influences like very expressive faces and wide eyes and things like that. Everything is

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: very. There's a lot of texture on the face, and things like that with the characters, but there's not a opportunity to have, you know, big, expressive, animated characters.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, go! Go read crimson cage.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: But like for I guess children.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, yeah. But for kids, for kids.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay. Yeah.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: For wrestlers. Yeah.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: And they all came out just exactly like I kind of had in my head, and it was very surprised to see, and just

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: great collaboration all around.

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Alex Cormack: Thank you.

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Tad Eggleston: And you make Bell look just intimidating, too.

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Tad Eggleston: looking at the page as they're getting off the train.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, yeah, that

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Alex Cormack: think I drew that drew her in that that shot. Her introduction shot maybe like

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Alex Cormack: Because, like 1 point, she was too old, and then she was like she like to like like. She was, too, in a bad mood, and then she like to. It was kinda like

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Alex Cormack: going all over the place trying to figure out that one shot. It was driving me nuts.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, that was, it was like, it was the 1st time seeing her. And it was just

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: yeah. It's a it's a big back and forth.

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Alex Cormack: Important job. Yeah. So you gotta think.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Where we land. I've I've read it, maybe once or twice since the lettering has been done.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: and it's I think it's pretty. It's the way it should be, because it's you don't know what she is quite yet, and her expression isn't so much like intense. It's kind of warm, but you've got birds flying in the background, and they've just talked about an ogre before that ogress before that.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, and then the bottom corner.

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Tad Eggleston: you know, because and this is early enough. I don't feel like we're we're, you know. It's the angle that makes it terrifying more than her face. I think Anthony really nails that.

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Tad Eggleston: like her expression, isn't in and of itself scary, but like the angle of looking up on this big woman, and the the smoke, and the birds, and the

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Tad Eggleston: the men in the background with their top hats scurrying away.

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Tad Eggleston: But then, like the sad smile that she has in the bottom corner

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Tad Eggleston: also, not knowing who she is, yet not knowing. Oh, this is Bell gunness, one of the like most prolific serial killers of the 1st century of the United States.

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Tad Eggleston: Is like, oh, so who is this person?

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Tad Eggleston: She seems to really care for them.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, yeah, it was

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I remember the thing. The script went through a few different phases, and one of them was,

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I think I was trying to do like. It has a screenplay just just to experiment with the character and see, you know how people reacted. And people were like this is, this is boring. We know what's gonna happen here. And I'm like, this is how it happened like this is, she brought him into the farm, and

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: but I think it was just because it's a story that you've seen so many times, you know.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: killing people for money, burying them in the pit or burying them in the backyard kind of story.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: right? That people weren't that interested in it, and think that's what made me kind of stray more into fairy tale, at least at least a catalyst. I had to tell it a different way than we've seen it already, because it's been told too many times like this.

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Alex Cormack: And that's the other thing, too. I should have said before it, because it's such a from the kids point of view.

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Alex Cormack: And

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Alex Cormack: I mean, yeah, there's a not to give anything away. There's a a Gracie. And Anthony wrote in a later issue, where.

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Alex Cormack: yeah, she's taking this guy out downstairs. The kids are in their bedroom, with a blanket over their head, just like covering their ears and just thinking like, Oh, my God, what a horrific thing, for they have to go through, you know, like, for, like they, you know, they get what's going on. And just

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Alex Cormack: oh, maybe I just spoiled a later issue. But yeah, I just remember like, Oh, that's.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think I think we've already talked about serial killing and and multiple victims. So I don't think that that quite.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't think anybody's gonna get to that part and go. Oh, my God!

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Tad Eggleston: Putting a blanket over.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Somebody's gonna die. Now.

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Alex Cormack: But

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Alex Cormack: but yeah, I looked at it. It was just all I was saying is, yeah, that there's all the kids point of view like what they're going, instead of just like hanging out with bell the whole time and be like what she think and all that

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Alex Cormack: like, yeah, like what Anthony was saying. We've heard that story before, but but these kids are just kind of stuck there like

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Alex Cormack: it's good. But you'll know.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I do like true crime stories, but like anything from the killer's point of view.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: kind of bores the shit out of me. It's it's I don't care about the killer like I can understand evil. I mean, any way you cut it. I can understand viciousness. But the people around that, and how they either

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: get through it or don't get through it, or who they were, or who they and you know the people that investigated it, or how they bumbled the investigation. That's what's interesting to me.

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Alex Cormack: I love when the question gets answered, before I manage to ask it.

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Tad Eggleston: What made you decide to go from the kids point of view? There we go.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, yeah, they didn't.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: That was the only angle I could think of. Really.

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Tad Eggleston: No, it's a great angle. And

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Tad Eggleston: again, I mean, perspective is everything in stories.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, it's like, is the reason why we hang out with Laurie strode through the whole movie instead of just watching Michael Myers hanging on that house.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: It's.

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Alex Cormack: That dog and.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: $9.

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Alex Cormack: Well, it's 7 o'clock. Everybody get out there and acts people up.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, who knows?

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, one more. One more bite of the ham.

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Tad Eggleston: Actually seen that movie. Maybe that movie would be great. I mean, maybe maybe it turns out that while he's not hacking people up, Michael Myers is a.

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Alex Cormack: What emotional, what makes him tick.

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Alex Cormack: He's a poet, right? It's all.

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Tad Eggleston: But he's he's scared to. He's scared that people won't like his poetry, so so it freaks him out, and he burns it rather than submitting it anywhere, and then he's upset that it's gone, and he has to go hack people up. You know what I mean.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: You can watch that.

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Alex Cormack: See? What's there? Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I literally just made that up off the top of my head.

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Alex Cormack: I didn't watch that.

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Tad Eggleston: Hollywood, Hey.

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Alex Cormack: Carpenter. I know you're listening, so let's go one more round right back in the trench.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh!

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Alex Cormack: That's.

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Tad Eggleston: I think any, any perspective can be made interesting. But but yeah, when when you're talking about a serial killer, particularly one that's at least among people who know they're serial killers. Bell's not

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Tad Eggleston: particularly

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Tad Eggleston: What's the word I'm looking for?

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Alex Cormack: She's famous. I was looking for the the opposite of famous I was. I was looking to try to say she

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Alex Cormack: yes.

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Tad Eggleston: Well known, but by saying that that, like she's not particularly not well known. But it didn't work. So we're just gonna say, among people who know serial killers. Belle is well known.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Certainly.

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Tad Eggleston: So I mean, you've got 2 options. If you're going to tell from her perspective, you you tell a story that isn't necessarily interesting because

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Tad Eggleston: it's been told lots of times, or you try to somehow make her heroic in a way that

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Tad Eggleston: frankly, I think most people would find both uncomfortable to read and uncomfortable to write.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, right?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Right. I mean, it's it's it's even. The story is repetitious. It's men coming and not leaving. It's the same thing in and out. It almost becomes like a.

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Tad Eggleston: Damn those serial killers! They don't. They tend to want to do it the same way, over and over again. Why can't we have creative serial killers.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I mean, I mean, it's more repetition because it's frustrating that. No one's doing anything. You know. The neighbors are seeing men come, and they're not doing anything about it.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: or you know, at least pursuing their questions a little harder.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, they're city boys, you know. A country people think of city boys.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Sure, and she's also, you know, she's Norwegian, so she's an outsider. She's not a local, and it's just you leave them alone, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: Besides, there was that one guy that went to ask about it 10 years ago, and we never saw him again. So you know, maybe.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Sure.

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Alex Cormack: Sure.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Sure.

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Alex Cormack: People go to her house and decide to move to Canada.

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Alex Cormack: Sure, sure.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: What's interesting about the story is what we don't know. I think that's why. And you, once once your imagination starts to go.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: you might as well let it go because you're not telling

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: the the true story anymore, especially when there's so many pieces missing like this one. I mean going back to from hell like, did you guys hear that? They just found the possible?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Oh, yeah, no, they did a DNA testing for Bell, but it was inconclusive. So.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: We'll see they got Jack. Maybe they'll get a bell.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Who are they saying he is now.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And get it right.

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Alex Cormack: Hi, Doc.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I know it's it's a common suspect, and then but I can't remember the guy's name.

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Alex Cormack: Like the Polish guy, right?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah Polish guy that he's been

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: finger pointed a few times. He's got a long Wikipedia article, so

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: he's been a suspect for a bit long time.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm asking. I'm asking

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Tad Eggleston: you, put in Jack the Ripper and identified is the the next word that it tries to give you.

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Tad Eggleston: So wow research.

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Tad Eggleston: Jack the Ripper identified with a hundred percent DNA match. I mean, that seems I don't know if I've ever seen a hundred.

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Alex Cormack: Right.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Right, and I think they want to put like even him on trial, even though he's dead. No.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: just to close the face out.

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Alex Cormack: It's gonna be a ghost.

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Tad Eggleston: See, see, I like the the science.org says their headline is, does a new genetic analysis finally reveal the identity of Jack the Ripper, that that is the best.

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Tad Eggleston: The yeah critics are skeptical. That's link in the article.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, does it? Does it figure it out? Or do we want to keep selling these books.

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Tad Eggleston: Right

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Tad Eggleston: this week. Point to Aaron Kosminski, a 23 year old Polish barber. Oh, so, so like the Sweeney Todd people had it right barbers, barbers, and killers, you know.

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Alex Cormack: No.

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Tad Eggleston: Makes sense.

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Alex Cormack: Always. There's only so many haircuts you can do, you know, get creative.

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Tad Eggleston: Eventually, I mean, just have that knife in your hand, and.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, they don't tap to that, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: M.

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Alex Cormack: The host of your barber.

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Tad Eggleston: Really tip them before they start cutting right.

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Alex Cormack: Just let them know that's coming.

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Tad Eggleston: Before and after. Here's here's 5. There's another 5 for you. If I'm alive when we're done.

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Alex Cormack: That's how it works, or grow your hair out. Either one.

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Tad Eggleston: Wow!

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Alex Cormack: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Sorry, Anthony. We went off the.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: No, I think I derailed that myself. I think we got.

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Tad Eggleston: See my fault. This is

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Tad Eggleston: this is actually the biggest problem with you not being on camera. I can't tell entirely if you're like

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Tad Eggleston: laughing along with Alex and I. Or if you're rolling your eyes going, what the hell podcast did Alex drag me off.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: It's all smiles.

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Tad Eggleston: He? He's been on this thing 6 times. He knows what to expect. Why did he tell me to talk to this guy?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Smile, by the.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay. Okay.

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Alex Cormack: That's what we were saying before. I just say yesterday.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Alex doesn't know how to say no.

526
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Alex Cormack: Yeah big fan of that that movie, the Tim Carrie movie, you know.

527
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:20.649
Tad Eggleston: Which one's that.

528
00:43:20.650 --> 00:43:24.590
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yes, ma'am. Yes, yes, I haven't seen. Yes, ma'am, actually.

529
00:43:24.590 --> 00:43:26.730
Alex Cormack: Can do it, neither am I. I was talking about.

530
00:43:26.730 --> 00:43:30.549
Tad Eggleston: Either of you. You're a big, you're a big fan of the name of the booth.

531
00:43:30.550 --> 00:43:33.189
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I say yes to everything you want to see this movie. No.

532
00:43:33.952 --> 00:43:35.477
Alex Cormack: Too busy.

533
00:43:37.020 --> 00:43:38.945
Alex Cormack: It's time for that crap.

534
00:43:40.270 --> 00:43:52.370
Tad Eggleston: Alex, why do all of our podcasts together just devolve into laughter? This is this has been a running thing, because you and John got each other going so much during the they were literally, I think, our 1st

535
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:55.170
Tad Eggleston: or no, our second guess.

536
00:43:55.170 --> 00:43:56.069
Alex Cormack: Oh, is that right?

537
00:43:56.260 --> 00:44:02.459
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. So so I mean, like our talking to Alex goes back to.

538
00:44:02.950 --> 00:44:04.540
Tad Eggleston: I literally looked it up.

539
00:44:04.540 --> 00:44:04.930
Alex Cormack: Yeah.

540
00:44:04.930 --> 00:44:08.790
Tad Eggleston: The 1st time you guys were on you were you were the second guess.

541
00:44:10.990 --> 00:44:17.180
Tad Eggleston: Only Christopher Sabella had come on before you, and it was December 3, rd 2021,

542
00:44:18.570 --> 00:44:33.690
Tad Eggleston: 3 and a half years, and I feel like almost every time it devolves into just. And I thought it was just when I got you and lease together, because, oh, my God! Do you guys just? And then we can't even understand half of it, because I love job

543
00:44:34.330 --> 00:44:37.510
Tad Eggleston: he's been on 5 times, and I pick out.

544
00:44:38.240 --> 00:44:40.460
Tad Eggleston: I think I'm up to 2 words in 3.

545
00:44:41.990 --> 00:44:44.683
Tad Eggleston: He's got an accent. What do you mean?

546
00:44:45.558 --> 00:44:47.172
Tad Eggleston: I don't know.

547
00:44:48.860 --> 00:44:54.379
Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, it's it's more that he talks really, quietly.

548
00:44:54.380 --> 00:44:56.829
Alex Cormack: He's a quiet guy. Yeah.

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00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:58.415
Tad Eggleston: Okay.

550
00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:07.840
Tad Eggleston: thank you, Alex. I needed the laughter.

551
00:45:10.710 --> 00:45:11.919
Alex Cormack: You know? Yeah.

552
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.071
Tad Eggleston: I hope you needed laughter, too.

553
00:45:15.720 --> 00:45:22.544
Alex Cormack: Well, you know, it's cold in February. You gotta like, yeah, there's gonna be.

554
00:45:25.660 --> 00:45:28.240
Tad Eggleston: Wow! Just sorry.

555
00:45:29.900 --> 00:45:33.732
Tad Eggleston: So buried long, long ago is is

556
00:45:34.930 --> 00:45:37.659
Tad Eggleston: foc. The day before my birthday.

557
00:45:37.770 --> 00:45:46.799
Tad Eggleston: March 24, th it'll be in stores April 16.th So Tyler and I will be talking about it a lot more before that.

558
00:45:48.600 --> 00:46:02.179
Tad Eggleston: but then we'll wrap up as Alex is familiar with. So Anthony gets to go first.st Tell me something you love, preferably comics, but it doesn't have to be that

559
00:46:03.490 --> 00:46:09.779
Tad Eggleston: not enough other people have experienced, and you need them to, because you need more people to talk about it with.

560
00:46:11.790 --> 00:46:15.970
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: More people need to read, buried long, long ago, and order it from their local comic book shop.

561
00:46:16.850 --> 00:46:24.068
Tad Eggleston: Mean we already did that, and then and and they can't read it yet unless you start.

562
00:46:25.370 --> 00:46:31.184
Alex Cormack: No, no, that's that's it. Not wrong.

563
00:46:31.900 --> 00:46:37.240
Tad Eggleston: It's not wrong. It's you know. I encourage ordering it.

564
00:46:38.072 --> 00:46:38.877
Alex Cormack: Yes, please.

565
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.469
Tad Eggleston: Looks fantastic. I reached out immediately when when I saw it, because

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00:46:45.080 --> 00:46:50.909
Tad Eggleston: I mean, really, that's just become my my go-to. Oh, Alex has a new book got to send an email.

567
00:46:55.520 --> 00:46:57.619
Tad Eggleston: But but seriously.

568
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Tad Eggleston: let's let's dig into what what makes you tick? Because that if people go oh, I love that book, they will immediately become more likely to buy very long, long ago out from Mad Cave in April. And I'll keep plugging it. Man, you have to worry about that part.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Question was that more people need to do.

570
00:47:20.060 --> 00:47:30.049
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, what I mean. It's it's a variation on something that you think is underrated. But but really it's it's what

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Tad Eggleston: what piece of art, preferably comics. But if you want to give me a movie or music or whatnot, what thing that you that you love to just not have enough people around you that that have also experienced it, and you need more of them, so that you have people to talk to about it.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, okay, it's called big man plans from Eric Powell.

573
00:47:51.570 --> 00:47:57.848
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: It reads like a great exploitation movie.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: people should check it out. It's it's been a while since I read it, but like that's the one I keep circling in my head.

575
00:48:06.346 --> 00:48:12.678
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: It's it's like a dwarf revenge story. It's very, very good. It's like,

576
00:48:13.790 --> 00:48:16.070
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I don't know what to spoil anything but like.

577
00:48:16.270 --> 00:48:20.990
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: because I'm not going to tell the story right because I haven't read it. Reread it in a long time, but I mean

578
00:48:21.200 --> 00:48:24.679
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: as a dwarf who was a tunnel rat in Vietnam comes home.

579
00:48:25.110 --> 00:48:31.719
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: and then something happens to him and leads him on this big revenge. Quest. It's awesome. Definitely recommend it.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

581
00:48:32.790 --> 00:48:35.927
Alex Cormack: And Eric Powell has also done

582
00:48:37.020 --> 00:48:40.529
Tad Eggleston: Done serial killer stuff because didn't he do? That is true.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah,

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00:48:41.980 --> 00:48:43.120
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I guess.

585
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Alex Cormack: Fuck, yeah.

586
00:48:43.830 --> 00:48:44.250
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

587
00:48:45.460 --> 00:48:47.520
Tad Eggleston: But I have read this, Eric.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah.

590
00:48:48.970 --> 00:48:50.669
Alex Cormack: It came and went, and it's.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, it looks really cool.

592
00:48:53.300 --> 00:48:55.639
Tad Eggleston: I'm going to have to.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'll tell you right now, Anthony, it's about

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Tad Eggleston: only about 25% of the time that people will will say a book that doesn't have me immediately. Go. Oh, that's awesome.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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00:49:11.100 --> 00:49:22.860
Tad Eggleston: So so like you, you've both like managed to name one that I don't know, but also one that as soon as I pulled it up I went. Oh, that looks really cool.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I mean I got. I'll give you one more I just.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm off. You can give me as many as you want.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I just posted to the my blue sky. It's the Steve Niles adaptation of raw head, Rex from Clive Barker.

600
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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: It's

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: got some of the best art. It's brutal, more brutal than anything I've read, like everything from the short is in

602
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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Illustrated. It's full color, beautiful looking book, I mean, even if you don't.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: because it's fairly accurately adapted from the Barker story. But if you just want to look for the art, you can piece together the story and everything you need there. I think I posted on blue sky. It might have broke my top. 5 horror comics ever, for as far as favorites go.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Alex Cormack: Oops!

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Like all that stuff is like

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: not not big man plans, but like raw head. Rex is out of print, will never probably come back to print.

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Tad Eggleston: Old old eclipse.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, you can get it on Amazon for $2,492 and 77 cents.

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00:50:25.890 --> 00:50:28.579
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Exactly, and like that stuff drives me crazy.

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00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:34.370
Tad Eggleston: Used. So so yeah, we get, we got to hope that that one reappears.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, that's the reason I bring that stuff up, because it's we won't get it unless we start typing it. Otherwise it'll be forgotten.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, thankfully. A lot. Oh, oh, you can get it for only $106 on ebay.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: There you go!

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, that's all.

617
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Tad Eggleston: And this, this is where I'm in favor of, you know.

618
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Tad Eggleston: If the publishers can't figure out the rights issues or whatever

619
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Tad Eggleston: to make something available digitally. Then I don't have problems with people scanning it.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yo-ho!

621
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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I just that's life for me.

622
00:51:13.830 --> 00:51:16.370
Tad Eggleston: Because like to lose.

623
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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: To lose great.

624
00:51:19.720 --> 00:51:26.129
Tad Eggleston: Literature or whatever, just because nobody's printing it anymore just drives me up the wall.

625
00:51:26.130 --> 00:51:30.950
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: It becomes about the sake of preservation right at any cost. Really.

626
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Tad Eggleston: Right?

627
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Tad Eggleston: So. But yeah, no, I'm not a horror guy. And and you still manage to

628
00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:48.560
Tad Eggleston: lists 2 books right there that just at a glance. I'm going that actually looks really cool.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, like, it's just a lot of text, too. I mean the arts beautiful. But it's it's a lot of text with the book as well.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Alrighty. How about you, Alex?

631
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Alex Cormack: Give me this.

632
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Tad Eggleston: Time.

633
00:52:02.040 --> 00:52:06.669
Alex Cormack: You know what? I just read this and I love this guy and this person's art.

634
00:52:07.255 --> 00:52:10.180
Alex Cormack: But it's called Love me a romance story.

635
00:52:10.830 --> 00:52:16.861
Alex Cormack: It was written by, Sure, I'm Gonna get these wrong. Francisca Perillo, and the artist is

636
00:52:17.450 --> 00:52:21.620
Alex Cormack: Stefano Cardicelli, and.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.

638
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.240
Alex Cormack: Time I actually said that out loud.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, that's so. That.

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Tad Eggleston: Mad cave. So you're even. You're even.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah. And their new book is really good.

642
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Tad Eggleston: You too.

643
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Alex Cormack: Is the editor on it. But yeah, this I, the guys are styles. Just it's just been added so much fun to look at.

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Alex Cormack: So that's that's why.

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Tad Eggleston: It's got. It's got a little bit of a

646
00:52:47.930 --> 00:52:56.080
Tad Eggleston: it's got a little bit of mobius in it, but but also just like all sorts of other stuff.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

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Alex Cormack: It's it's just it's so much fun to just look at like. And yes, this one. And oh, there's another one that I'm blanking on the name.

649
00:53:06.120 --> 00:53:10.169
Tad Eggleston: But yeah, everything I've seen by this this artist I've I've just loved.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, they've got. They've got a book going right now.

651
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Alex Cormack: Yeah, yeah, I think they got a new one. Right?

652
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think it's 2 or 3 issues in winter, or something.

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Alex Cormack: Does it sound right? I'll have it in a second, because.

654
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Tad Eggleston: Because I know I'm reading it on global global comics.

655
00:53:28.580 --> 00:53:32.380
Tad Eggleston: Oh, except that it's telling me, I need an update on my global comics.

656
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Tad Eggleston: Bastards go to the Mad Cave website.

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Alex Cormack: Also charred remains. I'll throw that one out there.

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00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:41.780
Alex Cormack: Tried remains. Yeah.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I know that book. Yeah.

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00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.091
Alex Cormack: Yeah. It's a good one.

661
00:53:45.470 --> 00:53:46.890
Tad Eggleston: Which one is, that.

662
00:53:47.430 --> 00:53:48.539
Alex Cormack: It's Anthony's book.

663
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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Somehow.

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Tad Eggleston: Anthony's book.

665
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:52.050
Alex Cormack: There we go!

666
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Alex Cormack: Go. I'm all for that.

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Alex Cormack: Let's see whatever yeah. Everybody else that I know is writing or illustrating at the time by that, too.

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Tad Eggleston: Well. And and and this is where you should say that there's a a a sync collection available on Kickstarter right now. Yeah.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah. But yeah, volume 3, trade. Yeah, it's out on that Kickstarter right now.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

671
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Alex Cormack: Add, add, the plush is now available.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, yeah, we got a mister digging for the kids. But yeah, no.

673
00:54:30.160 --> 00:54:33.670
Tad Eggleston: And for your son. Are you gonna have to have a birthday party for him at some point.

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00:54:34.022 --> 00:54:40.070
Alex Cormack: Absolutely. Yeah, we have to. We'll do we'll do like haggis cake, and that'll be great.

675
00:54:41.010 --> 00:54:42.569
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Shovel. Yeah. Shovel, Pinama.

676
00:54:42.570 --> 00:54:45.820
Alex Cormack: Yeah, we'll have a shovel. Yeah, we'll use a shovel on the pinata. That'll be great.

677
00:54:46.130 --> 00:54:50.746
Alex Cormack: We, you know, bash in a bunch of red stuff will come out.

678
00:54:52.096 --> 00:55:00.140
Alex Cormack: But yeah, yeah, the Mister digs. Birthday will be let's see. October something.

679
00:55:01.070 --> 00:55:03.289
Alex Cormack: Or was it was a trade coming out. It'll be here that day.

680
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Alex Cormack: But yeah, but no. But yeah, it's up on. I can start now. So go check it out. Sync.

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Alex Cormack: and yeah, it's weird.

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Tad Eggleston: Looks like a long, cold winter is the one that's going right.

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Alex Cormack: That what the other one is.

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Tad Eggleston: From Perillo and Cardiselli.

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Tad Eggleston: What I missed from Carticelli is he did a book called Don't Spit in the Wind.

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Alex Cormack: Oh!

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Tad Eggleston: It's really cool, too.

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Alex Cormack: That's fantastic. Yeah, I think it's only like 3 issues or something like that. But.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah.

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Alex Cormack: But yeah, it was also really good.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I'm I'm I

693
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Tad Eggleston: I discovered them, and and and through love me. A romance story. But I I immediately became a big fan of the art style.

694
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Tad Eggleston: the writing was pretty good, too, so I've been enjoying everything since then.

695
00:56:01.430 --> 00:56:04.600
Tad Eggleston: I know we'll have to go back and read that. Now, man.

696
00:56:04.750 --> 00:56:08.289
Tad Eggleston: you guys both succeeded at adding to my read pile.

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00:56:08.610 --> 00:56:13.379
Tad Eggleston: My read, pile's really big already, like, really, really big.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh.

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Alex Cormack: Glad we help out.

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Tad Eggleston: What?

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Alex Cormack: I'm glad we could help out.

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Tad Eggleston: Hi!

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Tad Eggleston: You're always being helpful, Alex.

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Alex Cormack: There, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: Any appearances coming up. We're we're hitting Con Season. Anybody planning, planning to be anywhere.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: All local, here.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, loco!

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, I'll be at I'm sure I'll be at San Diego, and I missed New York last year, so I'm looking forward to getting back there this year. And and there's a few others that I'll be at. So yeah, I'll be around local.

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Tad Eggleston: But neither of you are coming to Chicago, so I can't offer you dinner.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Oh, crap! Yeah. C, 2 E. 2. I'll be there, I forgot.

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00:56:57.470 --> 00:56:59.839
Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Oh, where? My God, yeah, we'll see.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, that is, he, too, is, that's April, right?

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, that's April. That's that's, I think the weekend, either before or after Barry comes out.

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Tad Eggleston: Now it's right in there.

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Alex Cormack: I'll let. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Cave had a big presence there last year. I'm hoping they will again.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: They will not. It's just gonna be me, but I'll be there with the

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Tad Eggleston: Getting a booth.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: No, no booth, no table. They won't be there. I don't know what publishers are going to be there to be honest, but I mean, I'll have a panel, and I'll be there with the Horror Writers Association, and I'm if I should have copies of buried with me. I gave us pretty good at getting that stuff out.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: no, they're fantastic. I'm just sad that they won't be there because I enjoyed both their panels and their booth last year.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah.

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Alex Cormack: Oh.

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Tad Eggleston: But yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's really weird how

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Tad Eggleston: publishers decide which cons to go to and which not.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: C. 2 E. 2 hasn't been popular for a long time. No, like Post Covid.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, even any given year that I've been there. There's like like one year. Vault had a big presence. One year Mad Cave had a big presence.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: And.

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Tad Eggleston: But but like

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Tad Eggleston: it's not consistent. Year in, year out, like you talk to this person this year, and you'll get to talk to them again the next year.

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Tad Eggleston: And and this only annoys me, because, like.

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Tad Eggleston: I actually prefer the smaller cons

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Tad Eggleston: where, like silver, sprocket, and fanagraphics, and drawn and quarterly are the bigger publishers there, and it's like.

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Tad Eggleston: but then I don't know where to go to actually be able to talk to people from mad cave or vault, or or like that, that.

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Tad Eggleston: that middle tier that actually peels across

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Tad Eggleston: like like their their collections, are selling to the type of people

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Tad Eggleston: who don't walk into comic shops, but they still can sell single issues in comic shops. They actually kind of

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Tad Eggleston: cross the boundaries between the people that are strictly graphic novel people and

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Tad Eggleston: strictly floppy people. But there's not the right like cons for them.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Very few.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm certain that there will be plenty. There will be at least one massive manga anime display at C. 2 E. 2. This year.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, lots of lines for celebrities. And

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, those that's the part I hate. That's I actually

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Tad Eggleston: was talking to a friend of mine who was unlucky enough that her booth

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Tad Eggleston: was on a corner lined up with the Chris Evans line.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Oh no!

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Tad Eggleston: So for like.

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Tad Eggleston: like 3 h, people couldn't get to her table. Yeah, because there was just a line of people for Chris Evans.

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Alex Cormack: So yeah, bust out the pad and start drawing as many. Captain America.

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Tad Eggleston: What she was doing anyway. But it's like.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, cheap, like, yeah. 20 bucks. Here is Cap Shield real quick. Yeah. There you go. 20.

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Tad Eggleston: Right? Right? Cons are weird.

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Alex Cormack: Oh, there you go. Yeah, it's.

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Tad Eggleston: I love artists, Ali, and getting to talk to to creators and whatnot. And I don't like people.

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Tad Eggleston: Actually, we haven't talked about this. I don't know if I've talked about this with Alex in a while, and I certainly haven't talked. How do you feel about cons, I mean, obviously, in some ways they're necessary evils. But I mean, do you have favorites? Do you ever like to go as a fan? What's the difference between

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Tad Eggleston: fan and and professional.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: If I'm going as a fan. I'm going to like retailers and digging through, you know, issue bins and stuff like that.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I mean if I'm going as a pro, I just wanna

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I it's rare that I'm gonna go, as you know, an artist alley and not think about other projects, or you know, things like that. I mean, I'm I'm looking there to

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: make connections, make friends for sure. I want to. I want to be a fan of this art that I'm seeing. But I'm not really there to buy everybody's book I'm there to, you know, follow and support and boost any way I can.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: and just, you know, actually be a fan of that. But like

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: it's I used to have the mindset to network. But now it's more just to celebrate a lot. You know what people are putting out.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean. There, there's there's a big crossover in that.

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Tad Eggleston: When you celebrate with them they'll remember you when you need the networking.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, I mean, it's when I think of networking. It's mostly networking through

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: publishers to, you know. Do the next thing and whatnot. Now, it's more like.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: But with artists it's never like there are other writers. It's not

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: what I can get from you, or whatever like. I know some folks kind of like. Have that mindset. You know you do something for me. I do something for you now. It's more like

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: we're all in this terrible place together.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I'm proud them. I'm proud of everyone that can put a boy.

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Tad Eggleston: Right and like, hey.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Love. You have my respect, anything you need, you know it's not easy. It's not easy, and it's not easy to get it, you know promoted. It's not easy to get people to see it.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I think the one thing I would like to collaborate more with other creators on is reaching fans trying to help each other meet as many fans as possible.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: That's what I think. That's what a lot of creators need to focus on more as well as just getting books into people's hands, like, if you have a fan like, you need to think of it more like

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: not one book at a time, one publisher at a time, one connection at a time. It's it's 1 fan at a time. That's how you need to think about your work.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Tad Eggleston: I get that. We have 10 or 20 fans.

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Tad Eggleston: and I try to get. I try to get everybody's work into their hands.

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Tad Eggleston: I joke. I think we have more people that listen to us than that. But but podcast. Numbers are weird. So I can't guarantee.

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Alex Cormack: It's actually less, it's less.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, you're right, because I only know the number of times that an episode has been downloaded. It doesn't tell me if it's been played.

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Tad Eggleston: So. Thanks, Alex, thanks for

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Tad Eggleston: so so let me say Hi! To the people I know are listening. Hi, mom, hi!

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Alex Cormack: Heads on.

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Tad Eggleston: My job.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I hope no moms are listening. I've been swearing pretty bad.

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Tad Eggleston: No. My mom is listening.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: -Oh.

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Tad Eggleston: She will probably buy this comic because of it, because this feels her alley.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: You had her at Norwegian.

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Alex Cormack: Alright!

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Tad Eggleston: Gonna read. I'm gonna reemphasize Norwegian.

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Alex Cormack: Well, they got one all right.

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Alex Cormack: No, no, you're up to 2, because I was already buying. Oh.

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Alex Cormack: good! All right. Now we got 2 all right.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, even though you sent me a Pdf. For free it was, it was on the list.

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Tad Eggleston: and I'll keep plugging it so hopefully. You'll have at least 7 or 8.

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Alex Cormack: That's a.

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Tad Eggleston: That's to make it. That's enough to make it profitable. Right?

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Alex Cormack: Yeah, as long as I can. Yeah, we can take a brochures fine.

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Alex Cormack: It works.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Whoa!

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Tad Eggleston: What heck.

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Alex Cormack: Scramble. The hell of that thing.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: We gotta split that one. Alex.

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Tad Eggleston: You're gonna go to Mcdonald's for an egg, Mcmuffin, and cut it in half.

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Alex Cormack: $30. Right there.

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Alex Cormack: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, God!

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Alex Cormack: I know.

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Tad Eggleston: Feel like whatever whatever thread we had we lost a long time ago.

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Alex Cormack: How's that?

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Tad Eggleston: I blame, I blame myself and blame myself.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: I'm a fan of the stream of conscious. It's just it's going well for me.

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Tad Eggleston: I am too.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: That's how I'm keeping in it.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm overall very much a fan of the stream of consciousness. But I feel like this is one of the episodes where my, it's almost more a stream of unconsciousness.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Lucid, lucid.

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Tad Eggleston: That's what we got going. We got lucid dreaming going on the record on 22 panels. I did hit record. And I yes, I did hit record.

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Alex Cormack: Oh!

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Do it live? Do it again.

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Tad Eggleston: It's.

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Alex Cormack: Oopsie.

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Tad Eggleston: Buried long, long ago, is in stores on April 16, th so I'm certain we'll talk a lot more about it between now and then. Get your orders into your comic shops now.

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Tad Eggleston: Alex Anthony, thanks for putting up with me. I'm certain that I'm gonna I mean Alex will be back soon, because he's got to talk about sync. But I can feel already that this is the type of book that I'm going to want to talk to you ahead of the trade, where we can have a much more spoilery conversation. So yeah, if you, if you hate me, I get it. Don't return my emails. Well, actually, please just return my emails. Tell me you hate me because I can handle that way more than sitting there going. He's not writing back, did.

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Tad Eggleston: There is him off.

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Alex Cormack: We'll do.

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Tad Eggleston: 22 for 22 panels. This has been Anthony Cleveland and Alex Cormack, and we will see you after the next page.

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Alex Cormack: Hey? Thanks! So much good to see you.

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Anthony Cleveland @ant_cleveland: Yeah, thank, you.