Bonus Episode: With Great Power #213...22 Panels with Fell Hound

Tad and Dillon Gilberton have a spoiler filled conversation with Fell Hound about the outstanding mini-series S.I.R. from Boom! Studios.

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Fell Hound: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: So

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Tad Eggleston: good evening, everybody. Yeah. Evening. That's what it is. Good evening. Everybody. Welcome back to 22 panels. My guest tonight is fellhound returning. So we can have a nice spoilery conversation about, sir, and because I've read the rest of their work.

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Tad Eggleston: so I can get into to

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Tad Eggleston: row, and and that sort of thing, and Dylan Gilbertson is a friend of hers from from the interwebs, so like when he found out we were talking, he's like join. So he is. So hey, Dylan, how's it going? I haven't seen you in what? 48 h.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, roughly.

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Tad Eggleston: Since since the last heavy metal conversation.

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Tad Eggleston: which I think is up now, and if it's not, it will probably go up soon.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't do the posting. Tyler does the posting, and I try to stay up to date on the on the

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Tad Eggleston: show notes. That's the word I was looking for, and sometimes even accomplish, that. So fell. How are you.

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Fell Hound: Good. Thank you. I am. I am trying to stay warm. Because there's an impending snowstorm that's happening right. Now.

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Dillon Gilbertson: I don't plan to go outside for the next 48 h.

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Tad Eggleston: See, I understand that because I didn't have to go to school today, because that impending snowstorm already came through the Midwest.

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Fell Hound: It is coming to the head west.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Thanks, sir.

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Dillon Gilbertson: You're at, though.

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Fell Hound: Toronto.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, okay, nice. Okay. I got you.

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Fell Hound: Yeah. Did you also get the snowstorm, Dylan?

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Fell Hound: We got a little bit. We're we got a little bit of dusting on Sunday we got a bunch we're in here in Boston. We got a we got a bunch.

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Tad Eggleston: So, which means it's still headed your way.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah. Well, today, it's today. It's kind of dusted a little bit. I was walking outside with my dog earlier, and there was a couple of flakes coming. I think we're supposed to get most of it on Saturday, but.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, that makes sense, because I think it passes us like today. And then.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Okay.

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Fell Hound: Higher, east.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we're supposed to be done with it in the next few hours, and it's continuing towards you.

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Tad Eggleston: And then from you to Dylan. I think I forgot that you were in Toronto. Toronto's a nice town. I've actually been to Toronto.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, it's it's lively.

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Tad Eggleston: Blue Jays game ages ago.

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Tad Eggleston: But it's a it's a nice comics town, too.

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Tad Eggleston: So yeah, it's a good.

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Fell Hound: Think there's there's like a really good like local scene. All the shops are very supportive. It's like, it's very good crowd, like. Technically, when I say Toronto, I'm from like just outside Toronto, but nobody knows what it is. So it's Toronto.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm not actually in the city of Chicago.

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Fell Hound: Yeah.

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Dillon Gilbertson: I'm I'm not.

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Tad Eggleston: Herbs, count is.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.

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Fell Hound: No one can live in the city. It's too expensive.

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Fell Hound: Yeah.

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Dillon Gilbertson: It sucks there.

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Tad Eggleston: Mean.

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Fell Hound: And.

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Tad Eggleston: Some city folk get frustrated that, and they're they're allowed to. But like, when you're talking to people who are more than a hundred miles away. The name of your suburb doesn't mean anything, so you can either use. I'm from such and such 15 miles from Toronto. So you could just say I'm in Toronto, which is so much easier.

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Fell Hound: So much easier.

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Tad Eggleston: So. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: so yeah. I loved, sir. I adored sir. I don't spend enough time in comics press, so I don't know. How do you feel like, sir? Was was received? Did you? Were you getting love from people other than me? I know I was sending you emails like every every issue going. Wow!

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Fell Hound: Well, I really appreciated those emails. Thank you. I think for the most part, people enjoyed it. I've gotten a lot of really nice comments. I've met a few new fans who said they really enjoyed it. To be completely honest for this series. I didn't like go out of my way to look for reviews or anything. I was kind of too busy working on the book. That's great.

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Tad Eggleston: Good.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, but I mean.

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Tad Eggleston: Problem, to have.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, people seem to like it. At least the people who told me they like

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Fell Hound: like the like. The.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Sorry. Go on.

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Dillon Gilbertson: I was. Gonna say, I'll speak with the this, the little indie comic circle that I run in with like heather. Vaughn and Ian Mondrick, and stuff like we have. We have a little group chat, and we've we've got nothing but praise for for sure we all we all loved it a lot. So.

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Tad Eggleston: The motorcycle jousting I never knew I needed, and apparently didn't pick up in the seventies when they did it in heavy metal.

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Fell Hound: I mean, there was also the movie night riders. So I feel like the seventies. Eighties was a time, and they just never

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Fell Hound: knight riders. I don't even know that movie.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, I didn't know about it. And so I was making this book, and everyone was like, Have you seen knight riders. It's like an eighties movie about motorcycle jesting. I still have not seen it.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Knight rider, the the.

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Tad Eggleston: Right. I remember knight rider with with with Hasselhoff, but night riders.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, I gotta look this up. Huh.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I'm looking at 1981.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, I mean, that's a crazy cover. Art.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, this feels like it falls very in like.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, my God! Was Ed Harris in it.

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Fell Hound: Feel like. I'm a little too young to know who that is.

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Tad Eggleston: You'd recognize him!

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Fell Hound: Okay.

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Tad Eggleston: You you would. You would recognize Ed Harris. It's a George Romero movie.

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Dillon Gilbertson: This is all new information.

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Tad Eggleston: What would you know, Ed Harris from.

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Fell Hound: Like I don't. Oh, man, all these names like.

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Tad Eggleston: Did you watch Westworld?

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Tad Eggleston: Yes, yes, I have seen man in black.

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Fell Hound: Oh!

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Tad Eggleston: In the TV show.

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Fell Hound: But that.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Fell Hound: Oh, it's been so long since I've seen it, so I'm trying to remember who that is, but I probably know who they are. Then.

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Tad Eggleston: I think he was a relatively major character. Let me.

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Tad Eggleston: We'll just cheat. I'm gonna I have, I have. I have a share screen option.

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Tad Eggleston: Why are we messing around? We can just show chauffel Ed. Harris.

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Fell Hound: I'm so in it.

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Tad Eggleston: She'll go. I know that thing.

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Fell Hound: Modern people.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I often you probably know more people than I do.

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Fell Hound: Oh oh yes! Yes!

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Tad Eggleston: At it long enough that, like I remember him from when I cared about who people were in movies.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes, he looks very familiar, right well, cause I mean he's been at it for a long time.

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Fell Hound: Honestly. Oh, my gosh! Good for him!

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Tad Eggleston: And way, more movies than I realized.

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Fell Hound: Going.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I mean, we're only in the night. That's right. He was in Apollo 13.

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Tad Eggleston: That was probably the Glengarry Glen Ross.

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Tad Eggleston: He he was possibly the voice in field of dreams. That's unconfirmed.

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Fell Hound: Damn!

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Tad Eggleston: And Knight Riders was one of his early movies. He played Billy.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay, I might actually have to go watch this movie.

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Fell Hound: Me, now.

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Tad Eggleston: I might actually have to go watch this movie. Now.

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Fell Hound: No, it is because I haven't seen it.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it looks like it might be.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it looks like it's streaming on Freebie and Pluto. So so you might even be able to watch it for free

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Tad Eggleston: and Amazon prime, with commentary.

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Fell Hound: Okay, that's crazy.

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Fell Hound: Podcast is just like a live watch session. Now.

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Tad Eggleston: Sometimes you know I mean.

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Dillon Gilbertson: We could, you could mine it for content. For the second arc of Sir.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, it looks like a a mixture between what you did and

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Tad Eggleston: God! What's the name? Because when I when I saw the cover. It immediately made me think of

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Tad Eggleston: Tim Seeley and Death stalker.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Tim Seeley, and and.

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Tad Eggleston: Jim Terry just worked with Slash to

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Tad Eggleston: to a comic version revival of a horrible eighties, Conan Knockoff

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Tad Eggleston: and and the poster looked more like the code in Knockoff with a with a.

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Fell Hound: Yes.

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Tad Eggleston: Motorcycle than than anything else.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Fell Hound: Was that the the vault book? Because I know they. Oh, okay, yeah. Cause now they're doing a lot of music stuff.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that was one of the 1st ones they did with music people. But it's not slash was involved in the project. But it's not music.

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Tad Eggleston: It's like comedic sword and sorcery.

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Fell Hound: Fun.

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Dillon Gilbertson: It is.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Do you read hysteria, though?

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Fell Hound: I have not yet, but I know that was the one Alex was working on.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, I love Alex. Because he did a row short.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay. So somebody help me out here. I don't know this one as well.

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Tad Eggleston: Hysteria with.

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Dillon Gilbertson: There is. Yeah, Alex Alex Schlitz. She drew. She drew it. It's a Def Leppard comic that involved, collaborated with.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Was that?

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Tad Eggleston: Was that vault, or was that.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Is vault. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Z 2.

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Fell Hound: How is it? Is it good?

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Dillon Gilbertson: What's that?

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Fell Hound: Have you read it, Dylan?

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Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah, it's great.

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Fell Hound: Oh, awesome. Okay, yeah.

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Fell Hound: There you go.

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Fell Hound: I've seen it around. I was like, Oh, Alex, I'm so I'm so happy for her.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, highly recommend.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, Elliott ray Hall was involved in that, too. He was on a he was a pretty regular on Tyler's.

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Tad Eggleston: The the precursor to 22 panels was a comics podcast that my co-host Tyler, had called smash and grab comics. Elliot. Rahal was one of his

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Tad Eggleston: multiple multiple time guests because he's from Minneapolis.

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Fell Hound: Nice.

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Fell Hound: and somehow it hasn't been on 22 panels yet. We need to fix that one of these days.

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Fell Hound: Talk about this book.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. But okay, back to, sir, because that's what we that's what we came for. This is like 22 panels. So people expect us to go all over the place, because that's what we do.

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Tad Eggleston: But

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Tad Eggleston: I I want you 1st to remind me what sir, means, because I cannot manage to keep it in my head, and I know I like bookmarked the page

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Tad Eggleston: that that had all 3 words. But I you're here now, so I can just ask you.

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Fell Hound: That's okay. It's it's it stands for the seismic iron, clash, roulette. I tried to make it as complicated as possible, like neon genesis, evangelion, or something ridiculous. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay, I like that. So was it just to be complicated? Or what does it mean to you?

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Fell Hound: No. So that. Yeah. The seismic iron clash roulette is the name of the motorcycle. I guess. Jesting.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I'm I understand it's a jousting league. But what

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Tad Eggleston: I'm trying to figure out because you said you just wanted to be complicated like Neena. I guess this is my autistic brain figuring out whether you were just finding

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Tad Eggleston: a cool acronym for sure, or whether it was.

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Tad Eggleston: Each word means something specifically to you about the arena and the League.

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Fell Hound: To be honest, when I 1st came up with the name I didn't have the acronym in hand. I wanted something absolutely ridiculous, so I was coming up with like, I didn't even know what the book was about. I was just like, I want a ridiculous name like like you know neon genesis evangelion, or like revolutionary girl utina, like something that makes no sense but sounds cool, so that when people see those words that they want to know more about it.

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Fell Hound: And then eventually I came up with seismic iron, clash roulette, and I was like, Oh, let me build a story about this, and then I you know I kind of just fell into place that the acronym was, sir, and I was like, oh, this is perfect! It'll be about like nights and jousting. It'd be great.

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Dillon Gilbertson: There's there's perfect, too, because I mean, I haven't read a lot about like other people's interpretations on this book. But like there's there's a lot of

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Dillon Gilbertson: Like trying to think of the the words for it like

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Dillon Gilbertson: pushing against the monarchy kind of a thing like like Oscar's a dick like Oscar sucks.

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Fell Hound: Vicki.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Right. And then, like a lot of a lot of the people in the sir, are also just Dicks. The fact that that Nico's trying to destroy the sir right, and is trying to bring that down like I don't know. There's a lot there's like there's political ideology in it, and like. I don't know if that's me thinking too hard about it, but it it feels.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean I.

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Dillon Gilbertson: The acronymster fits extremely well.

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Tad Eggleston: I thought definitely one of the themes was a battle between performative chivalry and actual chivalry.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you have. You have the the

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Tad Eggleston: Sir's Executive Council talking about the rules of chivalry blah blah, and they're dicks. They're assholes. They don't give one flying fuck about chivalry in any way other than it gives them the ability to say they're awesome, and you suck. This is nothing at all like any

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Tad Eggleston: republican people in the United States. Oh, wait, I said, the quiet part out loud. I must be becoming a right winger.

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Fell Hound: But no, honestly, I feel like you both kind of hit the nail on the head with those themes.

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Fell Hound: Slavery they they.

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Tad Eggleston: They really want to show that loyalty, that love, that honor that they're willing to lose if they lose

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Tad Eggleston: honorably, you know. But they're not willing to walk away just because people are dicks

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Tad Eggleston: and have more perceived power.

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Fell Hound: You know, I for me it was very important that the power of love was gonna defeat. You know it's gonna defeat the the evil

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Tad Eggleston: Wait a minute, I mean 1st night riders. And now, power of love! Were you listening to Huey Lewis, while you were

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Tad Eggleston: Set up like it was a like Canadian public service announcement, inviting Americans that that needed to to have healthcare and and body autonomy even for the women and whatnot to come to Canada, but finished with, but not if you're from one of the weird states.

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Fell Hound: I mean, honestly, I've seen I've seen like trump stickers up here, which is like.

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Tad Eggleston: That's why he thinks that Canada wants to be the 51st state, because he's seen like those 2 or 3 cars, actually came to one of his rallies in America, and he saw, like 3 Canadian license plates with trump stickers. And since he wasn't even in Canada, he assumed that that meant all Canadians.

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Dillon Gilbertson: It. Well, it furthers the idea of the other right, like.

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Tad Eggleston: And in some ways, you know, without like taking too much responsibility away from it. In some ways, if you've lived your entire life

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Dillon Gilbertson: Makes a damn good comic book called Sir.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes, because I mean, that's 1 of the things I love about him is that he's like been ostracized from his family. He's not going to get to run the business. The only place he's got any power is at this school, and it's essentially because they're like.

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Fell Hound: I mean, that's basically it. And it's like, you know, I feel like he's so desperate to hold on to his power. He just like. He doesn't have a life outside of this, as Nico said, like he has nothing going for him anymore. So it's like.

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Fell Hound: I mean, it's, you know, the court records and everything they're they're like. So it's like as long as you can. I don't know, man. My one of my friends in real life told me about those those like websites where you can just search people up and find all their personal information, and that's why they pay like money for delete me every year.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I have. No, I've never rid. I've never ridden a motorcycle. I certainly don't know what it feels like to to try to hold a lance while riding a motorcycle, but like I feel like I kind of do now. I feel like I'd be less surprised if I tried it.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Technically, I think the clutch is on one of the hands where they're holding the lance with. But if anybody asks, these motorcycles are made of magic, so.

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Dillon Gilbertson: that makes that stand out. How good it is is that I I would. Writing fight scenes

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Dillon Gilbertson: I I hate doing it, but it's a must do thing if when there's excitement and there's action, and I would have no idea how to do that

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Dillon Gilbertson: like with like with like, if it's just martial arts like you can. Right? You can make them do a bunch of different things like they're fully. What's the what's fully articulated? Right? Motorcycles are very stationary like. You can only do so much with it, but, like the action in, sir, comes off as very dynamic, and it's very, very cool, and so I don't know how you managed it, and I don't know if you have any insights into how you managed it.

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Fell Hound: Do you know that meme of like the little girl with like a pencil? And she's crying, and she looks like this.

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Fell Hound: I'm not gonna lie. After the 1st issue of thumbnails. I was like, oh, my God! I don't know if I can do this for another like 4 issues. But it it did get a little easier. My wonderful friend Cody Okamoto made me like 3D motorcycle models. So that literally was so helpful because I could just like move things around in 3D space and then I also decided to add ramps to the stadium. So then there's like a

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Fell Hound: but even so it was, I'm not gonna lie. It was. It was a massive struggle. I do not know how I did it.

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Fell Hound: Yeah. Oh, not. I'm not gonna lie, but like a lot of the movements and things.

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Dillon Gilbertson: So.

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Tad Eggleston: All right. Welcome back, important, important. 22 panels related. Phone call has has been taken and and finished, and Dylan and and Fell were

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Tad Eggleston: Be patient through it, though. I noticed Dylan call you hound earlier. Which do you prefer? I don't want to be calling you.

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Dillon Gilbertson: It's just a slip of the tongue. It's okay.

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Fell Hound: I think it sounds cool. No one's called me that before.

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Dillon Gilbertson: That again.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I can start calling you hound.

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Fell Hound: Free range.

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Fell Hound: Oh, yeah, yeah, no fell hound fell hound, whatever whatever you like. I specifically had this name, because it's very easy to pronounce unlike my real name, which no one ever gets right. So.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I would try to get your real name right, too, because that's how I am.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't guarantee that I could get my tongue around it, but I would I would keep working at it.

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Fell Hound: It's all good.

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Tad Eggleston: So yeah, we were talking about class struggle

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Tad Eggleston: and the way it plays out. Oh, no. We got past class struggle, but we were talking about.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah. Phil was just telling us about how difficult it was to draw the fight scenes into figure.

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Tad Eggleston: Right and and crying while while she was trying to thumbnail issue.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, I remember what I was gonna say now. So anyway, I think one thing that sort of inspired some of the fight scenes

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Fell Hound: You know, I loved as a kid. But when I was trying to do like a tournament arc, I want to. You know Beyblade was perfect because it's a tournament arc you've got like a ring. Things are spinning and battling inside. So I was literally just like re-watching old beyblade episodes being like, Oh, okay.

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Fell Hound: And now these beyblades are growing up in the air, and they're like, you know, the the bit beasts are coming out and like random, crazy stuff. I was like, all right, I'm just gonna do that. And so.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, that's perfect. I never would have made that connection. But now that you say it like, that's that fits perfectly. That makes.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, like the part where the the Giant Wolf comes out in like the the battle with reaper. And it's like, Yeah, yeah, that was a that was a bit beast. Moment.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Reaper. Their design of reaper is so cool

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Dillon Gilbertson: I don't have anything else to say about it, but, like the reaper I was, it was tough, because

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Dillon Gilbertson: Reaper is not supposed to be a likable person, but Reaper was my favorite.

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Fell Hound: That's okay. That's okay. You you can like whichever care.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, I do want to give a shout out on part of the reaper design, because I had a lot of trouble figuring out what weapon reaper would use. And then my friend and character design extraordinaire Cara Husset actually came up with the idea for the club. So shout out to Kara for helping me out with that.

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Fell Hound: And Cara actually named the the character as well.

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Fell Hound: Yeah. So she came up with mason mortis. So I was like, that's perfect.

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Dillon Gilbertson: That's a dope name, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. I remember, I remember trying to remember what the what the dialogue was for it. But I remember in the fight with Reaper

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Dillon Gilbertson: defeating death or fighting death or defeating death. And like that's I'm in the middle of writing the later issues of my neighbor necromancer, and the whole. The whole series is about like death acceptance, and whether or not you can defeat death in this whole thing, and so like I read that. And I was like, I was like, that's so fucking cool. I love this. It's so good.

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Fell Hound: Oh, thanks so much. Yeah. It was.

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Tad Eggleston: And now he's gonna steal it.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Reaper reaper will make an appearance in my neighborhood.

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Fell Hound: Honestly, I mean honestly go for it. I am. I am all for building the indie comic, cinematic universe.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: There we go!

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Dillon Gilbertson: We're talking.

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Tad Eggleston: as a writer artist. How how do you work? Do do you? Full script? Do you thumbnail first, st and then start to figure out where it's going, how.

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Fell Hound: And bunch of collaborators. Everything was very streamlined. I did the script first, st and then I did the thumbnails, and then I did the the inks. Luckily, Elizabeth, my editor, didn't need to see pencils, because I don't usually really

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Fell Hound: do pencils. And then, inks, I do everything on the same day. But that's that's if I'm working in like a very.

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Fell Hound: I guess, like editorial environment where other people are going to see my work right now, I'm working on a comic

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Fell Hound: that's like, solely for myself, for fun. And it's absolutely chaotic. I I don't even have a script. I have, like a couple of dialogue written out on like a notes app, and then I went straight to thumbnails. And now I'm like 6 pages in, and I still don't have a script, so we'll figure it out.

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Dillon Gilbertson: I don't.

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Tad Eggleston: there! There are a number of artistic things that jump out at me, so forgive me if I wind up going

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Tad Eggleston: rapid fire and and different directions. But I'm going to start with the covers.

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Tad Eggleston: You! You have a cover theme where where you've got like

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Tad Eggleston: bottom, right corner is is a character centered, or 2 characters centered on the last one, but then top

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Fell Hound: Before.

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Tad Eggleston: Is, is, is, represents their their, their conflict or struggle in this issue.

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Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense.

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Tad Eggleston: How how intentional is that? Did I get the reading of conflict or struggle right? Right?

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Fell Hound: And was that something that you came up with immediately or.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, how do? How does.

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Fell Hound: Sorry about the covers. Yeah, I actually initially worked really hard on a set of 5 thumbnails for covers that I was like, oh, my God, these are so cool, and I sent them in, and then they got rejected. So Boom did not think the same way that I was thinking, but then I actually drew the cover for Number One like before the book like before I even signed the contract. So I was doing a lot of content for it.

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Fell Hound: So I just kind of fooling around. And then, Elizabeth, she went on my portfolio website and was like, I saw this old cover that you. Did I really like it? Can you just like, you know, redraw it.

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Fell Hound: for for you know the main cover, and then, like, do all the covers in this theme. I was like, Oh, okay, sure. So it was kind of a fluke that that became the main covers. And then I just kind of figured out, all right. We're all going to go with the same flip style. So just figure out, you know who the important characters are for each issue, and then place them accordingly.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Kind of retrofit it.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Awesome.

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Tad Eggleston: And then there is the the 5th cover.

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Tad Eggleston: Both by having 2

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Tad Eggleston: 2 characters on the bottom, but the 1st 4 covers have, like a full large circle in the back.

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Fell Hound: Oh, oh, so this is a cool thing about this cover. So in cover of issue 4, that giant globe thing cracked like it was broken.

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Fell Hound: Oh, I see that

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Fell Hound: Nico was like broken and then in the 5th issue, when you see, it's like Avery handing off like a new circle that's like rebuilt with the red and the blue to Nico. So it's like she's giving her like a whole new world. And then.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Fell Hound: The the tail kind of looks like a shooting star tail. So it's like she's giving her like a new star, a new life sort of thing.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Cool. I didn't even pick up on this. I need to find the coverage now and look at them.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Fell Hound: Okay, that is.

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Dillon Gilbertson: That's cool. I love, I love that I love, I love

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Dope. I didn't notice that, and now I'm mad that I didn't.

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Fell Hound: I don't think anyone really noticed it, but it was one of those things where it's like, oh, my God! I can't wait.

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Tad Eggleston: Clearly. I noticed it a little bit.

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Fell Hound: Okay. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: But I've been studying seriously

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Tad Eggleston: because I had so much fun talking to you the 1st time, and I've gotten to read the whole thing since then, because we we talked, I think actually, I think you sent me an advanced copy of Issue one we talked before issue. One had come out.

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Fell Hound: Can I.

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Tad Eggleston: So to be able to like. See it unfold has been really, really cool.

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Tad Eggleston: I think my, my next artistic question,

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Tad Eggleston: you. You do something that a lot of creators

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Tad Eggleston: And this is this is old man me.

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Tad Eggleston: so don't take it wrong, particularly because it.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm already offended it out of the park. You use text messages and social media and whatnot, which

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Tad Eggleston: I think about 40% of the time. When I see that done, it's done

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Tad Eggleston: in a way where it's like a super shortcut that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, and and often is a place where you didn't need a shortcut. But they wanted to cram in more information that may or may not. Does that make sense? It seems it seems shoehorned in.

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Tad Eggleston: You actually managed to do it in such a way. I mean, I'm looking at the Nico, 99 plus mixed calls the the set of messages from 378 days ago, with no responses. You.

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Dillon Gilbertson: It serves a far. It serves a purpose like there's a.

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Tad Eggleston: You. You did it in a way where not only were you continuing the story, but

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Tad Eggleston: adding a layer that would have been really hard to add.

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Tad Eggleston: Otherwise, like in a different era, it would have been the stack of letters.

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Tad Eggleston: right or or whatever, with no good way to show that that the

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Tad Eggleston: that the letters hadn't been responded to.

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Tad Eggleston: How much of that is just.

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Tad Eggleston: It's such a part of your life that it didn't like occur to you, and how much of that was like you really thought of. How do I display this?

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Tad Eggleston: How.

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Fell Hound: So a lot of the reasons.

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Tad Eggleston: Something else entirely. There don't have to be just 2 options.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, a lot of the social media stuff was done for.

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Fell Hound: you know. I guess you were saying a shortcut. But like I was running out of space to to tell the story, like, you know, because when I pitched the story it was a lot longer

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Fell Hound: than what it is. So I was like, Oh, okay. Now it was my 1st time working with like 22 pages per issue. And to me I was like, that's not a lot of pages I'm like, Oh, my God! How am I going to like? Tell all the story? So he's using something like text messages, or like the the panel or the page where it had, like all those like Instagram stories on it, a lot of that was just like, well, this is the most

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Fell Hound: effective way for me to do like layered storytelling should show that there, you know, there's there's a connection there. It's broken and also just like, try and get the story through and show that there's like disconnect they're not communicating, and all that.

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Tad Eggleston: Make it clear that I was having trouble finding the right words. I don't mind that. It's being used as a shortcut. I think sometimes when it's used as a shortcut, it's like more of a shortcut where there are any numbers, any number of things that could take up the same amount of space, but involve more drawing

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Tad Eggleston: or

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Tad Eggleston: or more creativity in terms of figuring out how to show it. But you could do it just as you know, like the breakup text spread over 4 panels, when you could have just had 2 panels of breakup.

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Dillon Gilbertson: I actually want to use this to to go into another part of the book. That I think is actually my favorite segment of the book. I don't know where I'm going to go with this. I don't really have a question attached to this. It's just a chance for me to gush about this part.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm all for that.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, the the. So I think in issue 4 I think, right after she has this conversation right after Nico has this conversation with with Oscar.

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Dillon Gilbertson: They then start. They start to get sort of depressed and down on themselves, and and starts thinking bad about themselves. And then these text messages come through that are completely innocuous text messages. They're they're worrisome, and they want to be helpful. But when you're in a state of mind like that, and you are already thinking bad about yourself. It's very easy to

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Dillon Gilbertson: misinterpret and sort of weaponize kind meaning statements against yourself like I think there was one where like, Hey, I haven't heard from you while where have you been? I miss you, and it's like you you messed up. You didn't text this person back. So now you're the fall, and they're mad at you, and like that's a really

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Dillon Gilbertson: easy spiral to fall down. And then she she gets mad, and she throws her phone and then

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Dillon Gilbertson: goes about their day. And then

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Dillon Gilbertson: and then there's a way to brush that stuff off right when you're thinking it about yourself. And then, later on, when they're in bed, they start to verbalize it. And there's this idea that I think about sometimes where people often don't want to speak about trauma or depression, because saying it out loud makes it feel more real.

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Dillon Gilbertson: and then it feels like you can fall even further, and you can fall into an even darker place that you don't want to visit right.

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Dillon Gilbertson: And she does, and that's sort of what happens. But what you also do by saying it out loud and making it real. Is it almost helps you grapple with it more. It it gives almost a form to what's hurting you, and then you can battle either with help or with yourself. And then she, you know, she goes inside of her own head and sort of encounters this this demon mirror self

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Dillon Gilbertson: and like. I just thought that whole sequence was was so perfectly executed, and it says so much about.

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Dillon Gilbertson: I don't know that that sort of slippery slope, and I just I don't know. I loved every bit of it. And like I said, I don't have a question attached to that. I just wanted to tell you that I loved it loved every bit of it.

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Fell Hound: Thank you so much. That was very thoughtful and very true to what I was trying to achieve with the story. So I'm really glad it came across, and sort of that exploration of her like battling with her inner demons and her like

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Fell Hound: anxiety. That kind of went unchecked, and should probably get checked out at some point. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I will turn

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Tad Eggleston: eat into a little bit of a question, because it's it's something that I'm always fascinated about when

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Tad Eggleston: when it's done. And I've had questions with creators about.

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Tad Eggleston: or I've had like off-air conversations with Creator friends about this sort of thing, particularly when

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Tad Eggleston: and I'm not. I don't want to make assumptions that you have had similar struggles or whatnot, but particularly for people who have gone through

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Tad Eggleston: struggles, sometimes writing about it is its own form of

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Tad Eggleston: catharsis and sometimes form of struggle. So how

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Tad Eggleston: if you're comfortable, how is it writing those scenes where where you're having people

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Tad Eggleston: allow their trauma out. You're having people name their yeah, I I ran out of words.

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Fell Hound: Yeah, I kind of gave.

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Tad Eggleston: Name their the stuff that Dylan just said, How do is it.

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Dillon Gilbertson: You know, name their demons, we can say.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Fell Hound: Yes, yes, I mean to be honest. I definitely use comics as like a way to vent about life, or at least explore.

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Fell Hound: you know feelings and emotions and stuff like that. You know I don't want to be cliched, and, you know, call Nico like a partial self, insert in some way, but a lot of the things

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Fell Hound: in issue, for we're kind of inspired by by real life, either me or like people I know. You know a lot of that.

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Fell Hound: I guess, like the the Asian upbringing of like, you know, you got to succeed. You gotta work hard. It's like a very.

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Fell Hound: you know, it's like a very pressure, high pressure environment, and like full disclosure. I I kinda

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Fell Hound: grew up

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Fell Hound: in like like at the gifted programs. I was around kids who like were very smart and like very high achievers. And it was like, you know, I was.

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Fell Hound: I feel like I was on the bottom rung of that class of kids. So it was always like, Oh, I could be better like all these people like doing piano. They're doing sports that are like getting high grades. And I'm like

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Fell Hound: man. That's such a high pressure environment. And it definitely inspired a lot of the the struggles that went on in Nico's head throughout, sir. I think I feel like not articulating this very well, but it's like, Yeah.

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Fell Hound: no.

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Fell Hound: definitely a part of it. That's like I've I've been where Nico is, and it's like I want to write about it.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Dillon Gilbertson: That. Yeah, that's

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Dillon Gilbertson: that's great. I love. I love everything about that. I mean, not not about that experience you had. But yeah, I I admire

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Tad Eggleston: So I mean, I'll take it back into an art question. Cause it it

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Tad Eggleston: it and I admire you, too. I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut Dylan off. I was just flipping through issue 4.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Never. I've never come back on any podcast, ever again.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay. Finish. Dylan.

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Dillon Gilbertson: I'm sorry, Dylan. I'm not always good at like.

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Tad Eggleston: No, no, it's fine.

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Tad Eggleston: Thought you'd figured this out about me already.

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Dillon Gilbertson: That's why I can joke about it.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Fell Hound: Can raise our hands when we have a question.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes, yes.

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Tad Eggleston: I was never good at that in class, either. I was the one that would shout out comments and questions until I was asked to sit in the hallway.

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Tad Eggleston: which thankfully, my comments and questions were generally good enough that I didn't have happen often.

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Tad Eggleston: But anyway, I'm I'm I'm at the

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Tad Eggleston: I feel like this was like.

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Tad Eggleston: is this, yeah, this is essentially all in in Nico's head. It's Nico and Aries talking back and forth to each other.

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Tad Eggleston: And the panel structure is just cracked. There's there's not not a straight edge panel.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean. All the edges are straight, but but there's there's not a a traditional geometrically shaped panel on the entire page.

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Tad Eggleston: And this is only one example of of you doing this. This is part of how you make so many of the action sequences. Work really well is while you're great at doing a 9 panel or traditional.

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Tad Eggleston: you know, 6 or or

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Tad Eggleston: you know, you have pages that that look like they could be in any comic. You also have pages where it's like, okay.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna do whatever I have to do to to get this action, this emotion, this whatever out and that includes

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Tad Eggleston: throwing, throwing traditional American comic style out the window. I mean you. You

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Tad Eggleston: But like, how?

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Tad Eggleston: How do you decide?

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Tad Eggleston: yeah. I thought I was going to come up with a good question for this, and I'm not. It's a i love it. It's a big thing. I love it. I'm a podcast. Host. So I felt like, I was going to try to turn it into a question, but I love it

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Tad Eggleston: so. I guess.

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Tad Eggleston: How intuitive is it for you to just completely make up the structure of a page.

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Fell Hound: So, to be honest, it is

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Fell Hound: kind of difficult for me, like my heart loves doing crazy shit like with Commander Rao, and and we love you like those things those books like had.

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Fell Hound: you know, I kind of threw the rules of panel borders out the window on those 2 books, and that's what I love doing. That's like what's in my soul. Because I grew up with like one of my favorite comics of all time that inspired me to make comics was batwoman elegy from J. Williams, which had all these like crazy panel layouts. So that's like my dream. Unfortunately, those types of paneling.

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Fell Hound: take up a lot of brainpower and take up a lot of time to do well. And I was really nervous about cert, because it's like my 1st Mini series. And I wanted to meet the deadlines. So for every issue, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna give myself like 2 pages per issue where I get to like play around with the panel borders.

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Fell Hound: and then that's kind of the only time and energy I had to do like 2 cool pages, and then the rest was kind of stuck in those square borders. But yeah, the the cracked panel page in issue 4.

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Fell Hound: That was one of the fun pages, or like the the in issue 3. When we've got like Storm Bird and the giant bird wings being panel borders, or like the one in issue 2 with like Reaper and the green reaper in the background.

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Fell Hound: But yeah, yeah, I love doing it. It's not super intuitive to me. It's a bit of a struggle, but I love doing it so. I always try my best.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, and I mean, as I continued flipping through, and I'm in issue 5 now is an example of you doing both that and another thing I liked that feels.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't even know if this feels Manga inspired. So I really want to know what the like. You've got the the 5 panel action sequence.

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Tad Eggleston: Where the fuel gauge is running out, and they're all crooked panels.

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Tad Eggleston: and the rose centered in the middle of it.

509
00:49:26.740 --> 00:49:29.249
Tad Eggleston: Which is also similar to

510
00:49:29.570 --> 00:49:33.619
Tad Eggleston: you know. A few pages later, when you've got the the.

511
00:49:34.430 --> 00:49:44.740
Tad Eggleston: the 5 panel sequence and you've got them going at each other, and you also have, like the translucent

512
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:59.780
Tad Eggleston: King and wolf, and and and less armored female spearsmen

513
00:50:00.200 --> 00:50:02.981
Tad Eggleston: or spear person. I don't know what we'll call them.

514
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Fell Hound: It is.

515
00:50:03.660 --> 00:50:04.260
Tad Eggleston: Building, app.

516
00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:05.120
Fell Hound: Like Athena.

517
00:50:05.550 --> 00:50:09.380
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I I know that it's supposed to be based on Athena and I

518
00:50:09.630 --> 00:50:18.180
Tad Eggleston: I should have added that. But but I mean it also comes out as almost the David and Goliath, because you've got this

519
00:50:18.460 --> 00:50:27.250
Tad Eggleston: majestic, armored king, and this determined smaller.

520
00:50:29.690 --> 00:50:38.980
Tad Eggleston: I feel like there's more worry lines in her, her eyes than his. It

521
00:50:39.750 --> 00:50:45.199
Tad Eggleston: but so I mean with the rose, with with the the translucent characters, I mean.

522
00:50:46.390 --> 00:50:49.390
Tad Eggleston: where did the idea to add those

523
00:50:50.170 --> 00:50:56.019
Tad Eggleston: pop into your head. What? What? What made you go? Because they do? They they make the

524
00:50:57.670 --> 00:51:07.589
Tad Eggleston: they give. I mean, it's the the great thing about helmets is you don't have to draw faces. The horrible thing about helmets is you somehow have to like

525
00:51:08.570 --> 00:51:25.449
Tad Eggleston: show all sorts of things that like it's the spider-man problem, you know. Can can you manage to show when Spider-man scared and when he's happy and whatnot? Yeah. So so where where did that come from? How did you employ it?

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Fell Hound: Yeah. So issue 5 is probably the most anime issue out of everything, like almost everything was inspired by like big anime showdown fight scenes. In fact, Oscar's name was inspired by 2 of my favorite, like Manga characters, lady Oscar from Rosa, Versailles, and Marie Sanson from Innocent, so like the whole rose motif that was inspired by a lot of like revolutionary girl, Utina, Rosa, Versailles.

527
00:51:57.210 --> 00:52:18.790
Fell Hound: and, like the the whole translucent characters running in the background that was like again, like a bit beyblade. But just like a bit, you know, General Anime showdown. They're going Super Saiyan, you know the the figure of the beast inside them is coming out stuff like that. It was just like, kind of just play it up as like this is an epic battle. We're about to have.

528
00:52:19.470 --> 00:52:20.210
Dillon Gilbertson: Right on.

529
00:52:21.630 --> 00:52:32.850
Dillon Gilbertson: You're saying earlier that the story was initially much longer than you than it ended up being. Is there? Is there anything that was left out that you

530
00:52:33.410 --> 00:52:41.980
Dillon Gilbertson: would like to would like to have put in there? Or is there something? Are you going to repurpose those ideas in some other way. I'd like to know more about what we didn't get.

531
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Fell Hound: I mean the core of the story we did get. It was like.

532
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:47.800
Fell Hound: but it was like I wanted

533
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.930
Fell Hound: more breathing room, I guess. Like to be honest, I issue 4.

534
00:52:53.030 --> 00:53:04.350
Fell Hound: I basically had to beg for 2 extra pages because I was like, I don't know how to cram like Nico's anxiety breakdown in 22. So after doing some begging, they gave me 2 extra pages, and I was like, Okay.

535
00:53:04.350 --> 00:53:07.740
Fell Hound: oh, nice, you know. But like what I? You know my initial

536
00:53:07.970 --> 00:53:10.520
Fell Hound: idea was that I wanted to go.

537
00:53:10.850 --> 00:53:15.089
Fell Hound: I don't know if you've read a book called Legum. It's lonely at the center of the earth by Zoe Thorpe.

538
00:53:15.090 --> 00:53:15.850
Tad Eggleston: Oh!

539
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:17.159
Dillon Gilbertson: I haven't really.

540
00:53:17.160 --> 00:53:20.139
Tad Eggleston: We did a round table around that book.

541
00:53:20.140 --> 00:53:23.260
Fell Hound: Oh, my God, yeah, but like I love, I love that book I love how it.

542
00:53:23.260 --> 00:53:24.150
Tad Eggleston: Kind of delving.

543
00:53:24.150 --> 00:53:39.439
Fell Hound: Zoe, Psyche, and all the layouts and everything like that was what I like. It was very experimental, very deep, and that was what I wanted to do for issue 4. But then, with the page, count, I was like, I need to condense this. So there's just like more breathing room, more

544
00:53:39.640 --> 00:53:46.910
Fell Hound: time to explore the characters, feelings, backstories expand on little details some more. But yeah.

545
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:50.050
Dillon Gilbertson: Well, what what we got is great. I would like.

546
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:54.230
Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, I also wish we got. I just wish we had more, is all I'm saying.

547
00:53:54.230 --> 00:53:55.380
Tad Eggleston: So.

548
00:53:58.590 --> 00:54:01.660
Tad Eggleston: This is the rarest of rare

549
00:54:02.010 --> 00:54:06.960
Tad Eggleston: series, where not only do I want more from the characters, but I think I get to have.

550
00:54:07.680 --> 00:54:12.050
Tad Eggleston: I think that there's like room for more in a completely different setting.

551
00:54:14.250 --> 00:54:21.309
Tad Eggleston: do you still think about the characters? Have you considered what they're doing next? Would it be something that you would be interested in

552
00:54:21.660 --> 00:54:23.430
Tad Eggleston: pitching or pursuing?

553
00:54:24.505 --> 00:54:31.479
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I could see it becoming, you know. Volume one was, sir, and and and

554
00:54:33.860 --> 00:54:37.020
Tad Eggleston: motorcycle, jousting and volume 2 is, you know.

555
00:54:38.140 --> 00:54:45.229
Tad Eggleston: learning gourmet cooking in France and coming back and starting just a diner instead.

556
00:54:45.640 --> 00:54:47.880
Dillon Gilbertson: Stir Ratatouille. That would be cool.

557
00:54:48.973 --> 00:54:51.160
Fell Hound: On bikes.

558
00:54:51.160 --> 00:54:59.319
Tad Eggleston: I mean particularly the way it ends with Nico, with the encouragement for her to like, find her own way.

559
00:54:59.620 --> 00:55:05.410
Tad Eggleston: and and Avery very clear that whatever that way is, she's still there.

560
00:55:08.060 --> 00:55:09.549
Tad Eggleston: And they're young enough.

561
00:55:10.340 --> 00:55:18.070
Tad Eggleston: you know. I just, I see the potential to do a billion different things. If you wanted to.

562
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.949
Tad Eggleston: Is it just me that's thought that, or are they in your head too?

563
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Fell Hound: I mean, I love these characters like I was drawing them for a very long time before you know the book even got picked up but

564
00:55:32.980 --> 00:55:38.280
Fell Hound: I I as my 1st miniseries, and was like a very brand new Creator. I had like

565
00:55:38.790 --> 00:55:54.989
Fell Hound: very little hope for a sequel, as with most miniseries go these days. So I was like, Okay, whatever I do like, I need to wrap up the story so that they have a satisfying ending. There needs to be closure. I need to close off every single plot point and just like wrap it up in a bow. So I felt like

566
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Fell Hound: I did my best to achieve that with a story where I felt.

567
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Tad Eggleston: You did, you absolutely did. I didn't mean to imply that it's like, Oh, I don't know this. It's it, you know. In fact, you did.

568
00:56:08.700 --> 00:56:09.540
Tad Eggleston: You did

569
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:15.760
Tad Eggleston: beyond a good job with that, because generally it's I want to know more, or that's great. It's done

570
00:56:16.160 --> 00:56:21.540
Tad Eggleston: right to to be able to have it like completely satisfactory.

571
00:56:21.720 --> 00:56:31.399
Tad Eggleston: I mean, these are the things that are why I love this book so much is it is completely satisfactory as is. And yet I can imagine

572
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:40.869
Tad Eggleston: octogenarian Avery and Nico still doing crazy things together.

573
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Fell Hound: I mean. Yeah, I I you know, to be honest, if there was a sequel, I I feel like Avery and Nico. I kind of. I tied off their stories so well like they have no reason to go back to motorcycle testing like they got everything they wanted. Their team.

574
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Tad Eggleston: No, it would almost have to be something that wasn't motorcycle, I mean, motorcycle jousting would have to like reappear

575
00:57:00.260 --> 00:57:03.399
Tad Eggleston: in their fifties when, like their kids get in trouble.

576
00:57:03.830 --> 00:57:21.710
Fell Hound: Yeah, I mean, like, my secret lore in my head. Is that like, you know, Avery graduates and rebuilds her family business, Nico, actually like drops out of school, because she never really wanted to be in this like high pressure school, and she pursues art because she loved drawing. She loves. She wanted to be a tattoo artist, and she became a tattoo artist, and then.

577
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Tad Eggleston: So you have the family business of would it be the bike shop, family business, or the restaurant family business?

578
00:57:27.090 --> 00:57:28.639
Fell Hound: Oh, probably the bike shop cause that's what.

579
00:57:28.640 --> 00:57:34.949
Tad Eggleston: Okay? So so you have your bike shop, slash, slash tattoo parlor all together.

580
00:57:35.660 --> 00:57:36.649
Tad Eggleston: I'm in.

581
00:57:36.820 --> 00:57:38.819
Tad Eggleston: This is making perfect sense to me.

582
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Fell Hound: Yeah, yeah, the happily ever after. That's what matters.

583
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Tad Eggleston: Right.

584
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Tad Eggleston: Dylan's running out of time. I wanted I you were kind enough to send me all of your previous work after the last time we talked, and I 1st wanted to like

585
00:57:56.720 --> 00:58:04.190
Tad Eggleston: give you my absolute hats off Rao, and and the things that came out of it were amazing.

586
00:58:07.060 --> 00:58:13.389
Tad Eggleston: I loved and we love you. I love the end of the line.

587
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:18.420
Tad Eggleston: I wanted to talk specifically, though, about

588
00:58:20.030 --> 00:58:23.930
Tad Eggleston: I think it's it. Was it both taking names, and baking with Rao.

589
00:58:23.930 --> 00:58:24.390
Fell Hound: Yeah.

590
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Tad Eggleston: That's ridiculous!

591
00:58:24.940 --> 00:58:28.000
Fell Hound: Those are guest comics. I wasn't really a part of other than.

592
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.970
Tad Eggleston: Well, but that was specifically what I wanted to talk to you about what

593
00:58:33.140 --> 00:58:38.690
Tad Eggleston: I mean. I've talked to so many people who are in incredibly

594
00:58:40.810 --> 00:58:44.469
Tad Eggleston: precious about their characters. They they don't.

595
00:58:44.570 --> 00:58:49.695
Tad Eggleston: They don't want. They don't trust anybody else to play in their playground.

596
00:58:50.330 --> 00:58:55.770
Tad Eggleston: What's it feel like to to decide to, to let others

597
00:58:56.220 --> 00:59:00.020
Tad Eggleston: play in your sandbox. You know what? What inspired that? What.

598
00:59:00.630 --> 00:59:03.589
Tad Eggleston: how did that come about? How did it feel?

599
00:59:04.410 --> 00:59:05.490
Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense.

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Fell Hound: Yeah. So taking names was written by Brent Fisher, and drawn by Alex Schlitz, who did the hysteria book.

601
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Dillon Gilbertson: I didn't know Alex did that sorry yell at her for not telling.

602
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:18.479
Fell Hound: Also. I'll send you the comic if you haven't read it.

603
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:19.620
Dillon Gilbertson: I would love to. Yes.

604
00:59:19.970 --> 00:59:38.810
Fell Hound: And then baking with Rao is from Michelle Avenator and Tench. And basically, to be honest, like Michelle and Brent are 2 of like some of my closest friends in comic books like they know these stories inside out, and, to be honest, like Brent, sends me rao fan fiction like every month. I literally got a text.

605
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Tad Eggleston: That'd be.

606
00:59:39.140 --> 00:59:41.070
Fell Hound: Like. Here's an idea

607
00:59:41.200 --> 00:59:55.779
Fell Hound: there's a more rao fan fiction if you ever want to continue it. I was like, Thank you. Britt and Michelle actually wrote me the script to baking with Rao like as like a gift fan fiction. It wasn't supposed to be a thing, but I loved it so much. I was like, I'm gonna

608
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Fell Hound: make this a, you know, a stretch goal. So we can make this happen because it was so good. So these are like 2 people who already knew the characters in the world inside out, maybe even better than I do. And I was like, All right, let's find some cool artists, and we'll we'll get this done, and then we've got Alex Schlitz, who I adore is so cool and tench. Another artist who, like

609
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Fell Hound: was in like the color of always anthology. And their art is so amazing. And yeah, like, I trusted these people with my life. I trust them with the characters, and they did a bang of job.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, and and you just said words that I don't think I've ever heard said by a Creator in terms of how it I love that like friends of yours, wrote Fan. Fiction in your universe. Fanfiction is what I'm used to kids that don't want to pay for

611
01:00:45.710 --> 01:00:55.669
Tad Eggleston: new stuff and and like, want to instead continue with the characters of the TV show or the whatever that that they won't let go of.

612
01:00:56.780 --> 01:01:03.930
Tad Eggleston: I read a lot of fan fiction. The idea that, like fanfiction, would be written for the purpose

613
01:01:04.330 --> 01:01:14.460
Tad Eggleston: of giving to the Creator is not something that's ever. Is this something that I just don't know about. Is this something unique to your circle, Dylan? Have you had this happen? Do you have

614
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Tad Eggleston: it?

615
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:19.819
Tad Eggleston: Fan fiction from from from baby bear arm.

616
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.570
Dillon Gilbertson: Bear baby. No, nobody knows about bear baby.

617
01:01:23.570 --> 01:01:30.520
Tad Eggleston: No people know about Bare Arm baby, because we talk about bare arm, baby, and you

618
01:01:30.520 --> 01:01:33.310
Tad Eggleston: haven't been smart enough to take it off of your website.

619
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Dillon Gilbertson: No, I know.

620
01:01:36.190 --> 01:01:43.440
Dillon Gilbertson: I know I've I don't believe I've had fan fiction at least shown to me about about the stories that I've written.

621
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

622
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.119
Fell Hound: Once I find out what Baron Baby is, I'll write you some fanfic.

623
01:01:47.770 --> 01:01:48.530
Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, my God!

624
01:01:48.530 --> 01:01:53.737
Tad Eggleston: No, seriously. Just go to his website and or just Google, Bare Arm baby.

625
01:01:54.530 --> 01:01:57.140
Tad Eggleston: My wife was kind enough to discover it

626
01:01:57.270 --> 01:02:03.260
Tad Eggleston: for us before we we did our 1st interview, so I didn't even get it from my brother, who, like

627
01:02:03.590 --> 01:02:13.059
Tad Eggleston: had been around while it was being made, and somehow missed it, didn't he? Because I think I feel like he was introduced when he jumped in on that, that podcast

628
01:02:14.300 --> 01:02:16.240
Tad Eggleston: he knew the artist too.

629
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Dillon Gilbertson: Like the 1st thing that I ever wrote, and it's possibly the worst thing I've ever written. But people.

630
01:02:20.230 --> 01:02:24.920
Tad Eggleston: No, it's brilliant. Stop! Stop bashing yourself.

631
01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:25.970
Dillon Gilbertson: Move on by the way.

632
01:02:25.970 --> 01:02:28.239
Tad Eggleston: There's a special brilliance to it.

633
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:29.679
Tad Eggleston: Bell, you're going to love it.

634
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Fell Hound: I can't wait. I'm gonna look it up. Don't take it down on your website yet.

635
01:02:33.680 --> 01:02:38.359
Dillon Gilbertson: Okay, I'm too lazy. I'll I'll probably never take it down, because I just don't.

636
01:02:39.379 --> 01:02:48.620
Tad Eggleston: Since we're running short on time, I have to ask the the key question, the required question of every Creator. Tell me something you love.

637
01:02:49.090 --> 01:02:52.209
Tad Eggleston: preferably a comic doesn't have to be

638
01:02:53.580 --> 01:02:58.950
Tad Eggleston: that not enough other people have experienced, and you need them to, so that you can talk to them about it.

639
01:03:00.490 --> 01:03:03.017
Fell Hound: Oh, man! Oh, man, let me let me think. What

640
01:03:03.520 --> 01:03:09.760
Fell Hound: what have we been reading lately? I'll be honest with you. I feel like my answer might be the same as last time, because I was just like obsessed with this one.

641
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.899
Tad Eggleston: I honestly don't remember what it was the last time, so you know.

642
01:03:13.210 --> 01:03:16.300
Fell Hound: Okay. No. I wonder if she's a different company. Give me give me one second. Let me look at myself.

643
01:03:16.300 --> 01:03:23.839
Tad Eggleston: Well, if you remember what it was last time, tell me just cause I don't. I think the last time was during my period, and not doing show notes, cause

644
01:03:24.420 --> 01:03:26.180
Tad Eggleston: I fell behind.

645
01:03:26.690 --> 01:03:27.240
Fell Hound: Okay. Well.

646
01:03:27.630 --> 01:03:29.040
Tad Eggleston: What's up?

647
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Fell Hound: In that case I'm going to shout out my, my wonderful friend Cody Okamoto's webcomic keeping time. It's about. It's 2 boys who join a band together, and then they fall in love. It's very slow, burn, but it's so good, it's so pretty. Cody works so hard on it, and they are. They are so smart about how comics work, and like

648
01:03:51.250 --> 01:04:07.360
Fell Hound: lighting and coloring. And I'm just like I'm so impressed by this comic like it is. It is beautiful. It's got wonderful characters, and like the body language, the facial expressions, like everything, is just on point, like I'm I'm in love with these boys, Denver and Daniel, and

649
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:08.910
Fell Hound: everyone should go read, keeping.

650
01:04:09.190 --> 01:04:11.480
Dillon Gilbertson: Keeping comic.

651
01:04:11.810 --> 01:04:14.799
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I don't remember you mentioning that one so that.

652
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:19.679
Fell Hound: I chose a different one, because I was like, All right, I need a new chance to shout out a new, cool, comic.

653
01:04:19.810 --> 01:04:24.430
Tad Eggleston: Well, if you remember the other one, you can shout them out both because I don't remember the other one right now.

654
01:04:24.430 --> 01:04:28.050
Fell Hound: Oh, the other one is my dear lass, by, okay.

655
01:04:28.050 --> 01:04:32.719
Fell Hound: it's a Chinese webcomic that has a very.

656
01:04:33.460 --> 01:04:43.829
Fell Hound: It has a fan translation going on. So it's a little hard to find, but it's very niche, but I love it. I adore it. It's again like a slow burn romance comic. And it's so beautiful.

657
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Tad Eggleston: All right.

658
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:45.390
Fell Hound: Yeah. Peach farmers.

659
01:04:45.390 --> 01:04:47.400
Dillon Gilbertson: My dear lass, LAS.

660
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:48.420
Tad Eggleston: My dear les.

661
01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:50.899
Fell Hound: Yeah, my dear lass, LASS.

662
01:04:51.370 --> 01:04:57.846
Tad Eggleston: Right? Well, and we don't have enough. People recommend web comics. So I'm all for getting 2 of them. Yeah,

663
01:04:58.330 --> 01:05:03.469
Tad Eggleston: cause cause that's that's 1 of the great frontiers that I haven't managed to really

664
01:05:03.900 --> 01:05:15.160
Tad Eggleston: pierce yet. I'm working on getting into like the self-published Zine frontier.

665
01:05:15.660 --> 01:05:23.110
Tad Eggleston: I'm getting better at the Kickstarter self-published frontier webcomics is the next big.

666
01:05:23.370 --> 01:05:37.760
Tad Eggleston: you know, getting slightly better at Manga, but there's so much of it that it, you know slightly better at Bandaid is. Nay, but again, so much of it. Dylan's got to run, so we'll let him run. If Fell has a minute or 2 I might keep them around.

667
01:05:37.980 --> 01:05:40.180
Fell Hound: Yeah. Got a minute or 2. It's great time, sure. Thanks.

668
01:05:40.180 --> 01:05:40.530
Fell Hound: And.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Thanks for chatting, Phil. It's great to meet you again.

670
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Tad Eggleston: Too hard, Dylan.

671
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:46.519
Fell Hound: I'm gonna read your comic.

672
01:05:46.520 --> 01:05:46.819
Dillon Gilbertson: Okay.

673
01:05:47.120 --> 01:05:47.450
Fell Hound: Good night.

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Tad Eggleston: It's it's very good.

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Dillon Gilbertson: All right.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Bromancer and bare armed baby have both equally as good.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes.

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Dillon Gilbertson: Okay, bye, guys.

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Fell Hound: Bye.

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Tad Eggleston: So do you do a lot of web comics. Do you read a lot.

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Fell Hound: I know I have not done a single webcomic. I I'm thinking.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I meant you read a lot of web comics.

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Fell Hound: Oh, do I read a lot of web comics? I have been reading more web comics, mostly a lot of web manga that like doesn't have print runs and are just like fan translated. Basically, I have, like, you know, I'm into like I guess, like like queer women comics like sapphic comics.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Fell Hound: And I felt like I've read a lot of them in the American market, and they're not making enough of them. So I feel like. I've read everything that interests me, and I was like, I need to find something else. And then, you know, there's a whole like Japanese market that has a bunch of stuff I was like, all right, I'm going to read this until they run out and then

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Fell Hound: see.

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Tad Eggleston: No, that makes that makes

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Tad Eggleston: I mean cause, you know, I mean, I never run out because I like so many different things, but I also love

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Tad Eggleston: different perspectives. So so sometimes, when I'm looking outside of

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Tad Eggleston: the American market, it's just because it's like, Okay, I'm tired of the old white guy perspective. I know the old white guy perspective. I'll own the old white guy respective. But at least I'm the old neurodiverse white guy perspective. So I'm a little different.

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Tad Eggleston: Let's let's find, let's find things from the perspective of people that I don't know their perspective, because that is so much more enlightening.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, fell. It was a a blast around for a minute off the air.

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Tad Eggleston: We'll chat for a second. I love, sir, so much. In fact, I

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Tad Eggleston: I decided, since we, we interrupted the the podcast, so I could take a phone call from another creator. I bought that creator, a a full set, or at least I put in the order with my comic shop, so I will take it to them, because.

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Fell Hound: Whooping.

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Fell Hound: That's how much I love fell.

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Fell Hound: I.

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Tad Eggleston: I want to. I want to share the love

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Tad Eggleston: as I have been since it came out, because it's a.

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Fell Hound: Oh, my! Gosh!

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Tad Eggleston: It's it's it's a really special comic. I hope. I hope that.

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Tad Eggleston: I hope that people see your genius at least enough that you can make a relatively easy living in comics. I think I think you might almost be too smart to ever become

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Tad Eggleston: certainly the mainstream superstar, because, unfortunately, that's just not how comics work, but but I feel like you have niche superstar

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Tad Eggleston: written all over you.

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Tad Eggleston: Your storytelling style is just outstanding. You're capable of

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Tad Eggleston: making what what I call messy in all the best ways

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Tad Eggleston: comics where you know it's a story about this and a story about that, and a story about that, and a story about that, but you also manage to do what is

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Tad Eggleston: all but unheard of, and I mentioned it earlier. You actually tied your story off

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Tad Eggleston: in a way where I can dream on these characters. I can hope on these characters. Apparently Michelle Abinator will write fan fiction about these characters, and I'm going to have to have her back on the show to ask if she only writes fan fiction about your characters, or if there are other Aubinator fan fiction out there that we need to hear about.

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Fell Hound: I mean, I would like to know too

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Fell Hound: well. I'll invite you to be the co-host that night, like I invited Dylan here, sir. I can't even put the, you know. I hope you don't feel like I'm I'm just.

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Tad Eggleston: Chalking out my ass. I can't put like

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Tad Eggleston: the right words on how cool your comic was.

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Tad Eggleston: your previous comics as well. I was, I was completely blown away. I mean you you, I mean.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't know if I lined you up for the next column. I've been writing a column in American nature presents the the

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Tad Eggleston: black and white comic that Greg and Fake from Santo sisters have been putting out where it's like comics, criticism and and some comics and all newsprint, and I write about like comics that have formed why, I love my comics and blown me away. And this is going to go on that list with with things like Frank Miller on Daredevil and Emile Ferris's. My favorite thing is monsters, and Will Mcphail's in. And you know things that make me

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Tad Eggleston: completely look at comics differently, because here you manage to write

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Tad Eggleston: a completely quirky off the wall

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Tad Eggleston: action comic. That's also a love story. That's also a coming of age story. That's also a mental breakdown. Put yourself back together. Story.

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Tad Eggleston: And so a friendship story, a loyalty story, a class struggle story all of these things that we actually, I mean.

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Tad Eggleston: I get so frustrated when people tell, you know, people talk about needing to pare down fiction, or whatever you know, keep it to the because that's not how life is. It's much more. I mean, all of these things are a life lived. So what you give us is a perfect snapshot of a period of a couple of lives lived, and all of the things that go into them, and you do it

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Tad Eggleston: beautifully, and you do it

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Tad Eggleston: in creative ways that I'd never even quite considered yet. And I read a lot of comics

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Tad Eggleston: and like.

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Fell Hound: That's.

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Tad Eggleston: My hat is just completely off to you. I cannot wait to see what comes next. I hope that I can even see the the random. You can send me anything like you said you were working on something just for yourself that you don't even have scripts yet I'd love to see it.

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Fell Hound: I mean, it's.

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Tad Eggleston: You're willing.

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Fell Hound: So anyway.

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Tad Eggleston: If you're willing, if you're willing for it, to be for yourself and me, I'm.

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Fell Hound: Yes, I mean, I will.

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Fell Hound: I'm working on like I'm doing a new like, short comic for Commander Route. So it's going to be more commander route. Yeah. And I'm very excited about it, because it's like, technically her her 5th birthday this year. So I want to do something to celebrate.

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Tad Eggleston: And and certainly any anytime anytime you have anything. If you're doing a Kickstarter, if you're if you're you know, we'll we'll

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Tad Eggleston: we'll put our Mini Pr engine to to use for you. Sometimes it works. I do math lessons on kickstarters that seem to sometimes work

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Tad Eggleston: and thank you again for joining us, and you are absolutely welcome back anytime, and for for fellhound this has been 22 panels, and we will see you after the next page.