Bonus Episode: With Great Power #212...22 Panels with Matthew Rosenberg

Peter and Tad talk to Matthew Rosenberg about his new book We're Taking Everyone Down With Us - set in a James Bondish world of super spies and mad scientists, the set of 4 Kids Walk Into a Bank, more to come out of the Ashcan Press Substack grant, and a brief discussion of Matthew's favorite movie of 2020 The Kid Detective. 

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Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to 22 panels where my guest tonight is. Matthew Rosenberg returning this time without Tyler boss. But you know. I'm told that he's doing all sorts of work right now, though I noticed he had time to do your podcast.

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Matthew Rosenberg: He did, he did my podcast.

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Tad Eggleston: That's.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Last week but I really had to bully him into doing that.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, and you guys go way back, we do. We do.

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Tad Eggleston: Was it was. It was like the the family, like, guilt thing.

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Tad Eggleston: Us.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Tyler, yeah. I also, I also.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Because of the way the funding on our book works the money, although it's his money. It comes to me first.st It comes.

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Matthew Rosenberg: So yeah, he! He! You know, I've never threatened to withhold money from him, but I think it's understood that he has to.

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Tad Eggleston: And.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Do what I say or he doesn't

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Matthew Rosenberg: he? I think that's understood. I think he gets it.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: You. You could just hold it over a set, you you wouldn't.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I would never, I would never! But yes, it's a hundred percent over his head, and he should be afraid of me at all times. And that's just that's how I like it. That's a good relationship to have with your artist.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, you know, you guys are not just artists. You guys go way back. You were friends from

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Tad Eggleston: work. What forbidden planet together, didn't you.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Been planning. We worked at a yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: So I mean

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Tad Eggleston: crazy. So you guys are still doing what's furthest place from here, and one of my favorite books, 4 K.

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Tad Eggleston: Bank.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Believe Tyler is drawing issues tonight, and that's why he can't be here.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, well, I mean in that case.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Why do you.

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Tad Eggleston: Chain him to the damn desk.

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Matthew Rosenberg: He's he's he's burning away on it. But yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: He has a new book called, You'll do bad things that we got to plug it really quick.

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Tad Eggleston: looks cool. It's great stories of a famous true crime writer shockingly come to life in a string of

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Tad Eggleston: grisly serial murders. But but we're going to talk more about your new book that you went off without him.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, we went off without each other. We also, we should talk more about my book because I showed up to the podcast. And he.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: So he doesn't.

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Tad Eggleston: That's right. That's right. That's right. We're taking everyone down with us. You were kind enough to send the 1st issue out. I read it this morning and fuck, Matthew, are you good.

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Matthew Rosenberg: That's very kind.

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Tad Eggleston: I would I would!

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Peter Eggleston Connor: It. It was quite the pleasure to read. Yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, thanks, guys, yeah. I think I think most of it lies on Stefano Landini, who draws the book. He is

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Matthew Rosenberg: amazing and and super talented and whatever but I appreciate it, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Give us the the front counter pitch, because I want to be careful not to spoil stuff. So.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure, sure.

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Tad Eggleston: Pitch will give me a feel.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I mean, I look, I haven't talked about the book much. It's just been announced. It's just it comes out March 26.th So I may spoil stuff.

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Tad Eggleston: Day after my birthday.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, happy birthday! So thank you. We did that on purpose.

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Tad Eggleston: I figured I figured.

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Matthew Rosenberg: We knew that. And we planned that. We've been exactly. The book's been done for for 11 months, and we're like, well.

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Matthew Rosenberg: well, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: All of it's been done so for my birthday. You'll send me that.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: The future issues. Yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: We'll send you all of it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: And we just we held on to it. And we

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Matthew Rosenberg: I'm gonna hold you up. I'm gonna hold you up for that.

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Tad Eggleston: Alright. You'll get the

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Tad Eggleston: email on like the 20, th say saying, 25, th I expect the other Pdfs to be in my inbox.

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Matthew Rosenberg: The so we're taking rundown with us is the story of

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Matthew Rosenberg: It's set in a sort of James Bondish, 19 sixties, seventies. James Bondish, world of

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Matthew Rosenberg: of super spies and mad scientists and and villains. And our story follows. Annalise, who is the 13 year old, daughter of the world's greatest mad scientist, and she lives in seclusion on an island with her father and his robot bodyguards. And one day the world's most famous spy.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Alastair rook finds out where they are, and her life is upended, and it is about

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Matthew Rosenberg: Annalise and her robot bodyguard setting off on their own together for the 1st time, and

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Matthew Rosenberg: deciding who they want to be in this world, whether they she wants to follow in the path of her father's footsteps, which she just learned about, or she wants to

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Matthew Rosenberg: chase a normal life which she's never had before. And so that's that's really what the book is.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay, as as since you've introduced Alistair Rook, I get to ask a question that I might not have otherwise. Is it? Was it you or or your artist scroll back to remember his name, because it's not.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Stefano Stefano.

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Tad Eggleston: Your call or Stefano's call to essentially make him.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Else.

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Tad Eggleston: Burt Reynolds, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Come up with the name. You knew exactly where I was going.

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Matthew Rosenberg: He's not for legal reasons. He is not Burt Reynolds.

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Tad Eggleston: Not Burt Reynolds.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Totally not Burt Reynolds. Any any of any resemblance is a coincidence. I wanted him to be a kind of

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Matthew Rosenberg: you know we were going for a kind of sixties, seventies, sex symbol, vibe for him. That that. And I think Burt Reynolds is like great for that. Like 19 seventies, Burt Reynolds is a character, is a

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Matthew Rosenberg: is a creation that is so of its time, and so wonderful and so

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Matthew Rosenberg: great. And then you see it now, and you're like, oh, they were really into this, and I think he's a great actor, and I really love Burt Reynolds, but he is. He's a, you know. Certain sex symbols are are very of their era, and he was one that I was like. He's very of his era in a great way, and so we? We wanted to pay loving tribute to him. It's not specifically him. I sent Stefano a bunch of sort of characters that I was like. These are a lot of the influences, and he.

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Tad Eggleston: All happened to be played by Burt Reynolds.

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Matthew Rosenberg: They were all you know, I was like, Yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: No, but it, you know, I think Stefano just sort of gravitated towards a certain design, and then Roman on the colors sort of leaned into it, too, so he has a he has a Burt Reynolds Vibe, for sure, which is.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean to be fair in some of these pictures. He looks a little bit like a couple of different versions of Alfred. I've seen through the years, so they might just be batman fans.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah, he's he could be all over the place he's he's

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Matthew Rosenberg: When you read the book he's gonna become his own thing. He's not going to be Burt Reynolds, but there is a little bit of a you know, a smokey, and the bandit energy to him, and we like that.

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Tad Eggleston: And you just said it was sixties, and I didn't actually place it. Then.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It's not exactly.

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Tad Eggleston: Like it was much newer.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It it. It's the yeah. We we had a lot a lot of discussions about it. We sort of, we call it sort of a hyper time where it it's all of these things. It's

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Matthew Rosenberg: it's an alternate history. So it's it's not this. I I wouldn't say it's sixties. It's it's in my head. It sort of exists in the seventies, but like

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Matthew Rosenberg: we didn't want to do the like, everyone's got butterfly collars and bell bottoms like that just feels

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Matthew Rosenberg: kind of a seventies vibe, but

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Matthew Rosenberg: removed from time. So there's certain things that that as it goes, you'll be like, oh, that's kind of a seventies thing. But there's also things that feel pretty eighties and

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Matthew Rosenberg: pretty nineties and and pretty current, and and that's sort of that's all. By design to sort of remove.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Time, and we're just grabbing things from eras. We like to be like, this isn't our world like I. I like, I like a story. That sort of

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Matthew Rosenberg: exists outside pretending to be our world. And so that's that's sort of a goal.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: Seems to do a really good job of taking those elements of things that you would might see sort of in in your seventies or eighties or nineties.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: spy flicks and things like that, and sort of mixing it in with not making you feel like you're just jumping back into those time periods. So.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah, I I feel like, you know, I I love, you know, when people do

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Matthew Rosenberg: the the period piece as well. It's seamless. And you know, like I always think like, you know, a show like stranger things does really good. It's like, Oh, it's eighties, but it's not always in your face with it. It just has captured a lot of things. But then there's things that do it really, clunky, where you're just like.

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Matthew Rosenberg: oh, they're using the time period as a gimmick, or it's a joke, or whatever. And we didn't want to do that. We just were like there's some reasons why

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Matthew Rosenberg: we need it to sort of feel like the past a little bit. But there's also reasons why we don't need to talk about it all that much. So it's it's outside of time is is the sort of way we put it.

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Tad Eggleston: Just notice that it's listed as a tiny onion book.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It's not a tiny onion book, tiny onion. Well, I mean well.

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Matthew Rosenberg: production by tiny onion. Inc. Yes, again.

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Matthew Rosenberg: So Steve Fox and Eric Harburn. My editors are employees of tiny Onion and Courtney Menard, who does production on the book, is tiny Onion's head of production. So like they handle the production services on the book and the editorial. But it's not

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Matthew Rosenberg: Tanya.

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Tad Eggleston: Just caught my attention, because I think if you was, ash can press, and tiny onion is a completely different thing.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It is a it is a mostly different thing. James is one of my close friends, and we work together a lot on stuff.

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Matthew Rosenberg: yeah, I mean, tiny Onion's a versatile company. They they make books, but they're also a production company and a production services company. And

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Matthew Rosenberg: we Steve Fox, who's the editor on Department of Truth, and and a bunch of James has been World Tree, and a bunch of James's books is a very good old friend of mine and a great editor, and so I wanted him to edit in Eric Harburn, who was, is the editor on science killing children, and that stuff.

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Matthew Rosenberg: A lot of the boom stuff for James is an editor who I've known for years, and we've always tried to work together, and it never worked out, and so I jumped at the chance to work with them on this and the head of production, a tiny onion, Courtney Menard, who who designs our books and puts everything together, and is a real, you know the the thing that keeps us all alive and functioning. She is a very dear old friend, because she is Tyler boss's wife.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, well, I mean.

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Matthew Rosenberg: She's done, that's see. I.

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Tad Eggleston: Practically family.

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Matthew Rosenberg: She is. She is like family. I've slept. I've slept in her house for weeks on end.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I was the I was the witness at her wedding.

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Matthew Rosenberg: She's done variant covers for most of my books like. Yes, she's so she works. James pays her salary, and I

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Matthew Rosenberg: implore him to let me use her services, and she does, and.

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Tad Eggleston: There you go!

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Matthew Rosenberg: So

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Tad Eggleston: That actually, that leads me a direction that that

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Tad Eggleston: I hadn't even thought of earlier.

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Tad Eggleston: You, James. A number of people in the last couple of years have

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Tad Eggleston: you still distribute through some of the the bigger main channels. But you have your ashcan press. He has tiny onion, you know you're doing a lot more in-house a lot more.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't know if Ash can have you done anything with Ashcan. That's not you or Tyler.

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Tad Eggleston: Not yet.

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Matthew Rosenberg: No.

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Tad Eggleston: Or is it even.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It's just me. Tyler's book is a tiny onion production more fully than mine, like Tyler is. You'll do bad things, is

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Matthew Rosenberg: in-house. They they handle everything for Tyler. They don't handle everything for me. They just handle some some elements of it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: but no, yeah, we.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I don't want to be a publisher. I have no interest in publishing. There are good publishers. There are amazing publishers who who allow me to publish and give them the opportunity to publish, and I don't want to build a thing up from scratch

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Tad Eggleston: So you know, this is an image book I'm super proud to be at image. I love Image dearly as a company, even when they didn't publish me. I loved image dearly as a company. I love them as an idea. I love the books they put out.

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Matthew Rosenberg: But I like having a conduit to do things that

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Matthew Rosenberg: image wouldn't have an interest in doing or or do things that are a little whatever. And so we do, you know.

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Matthew Rosenberg: sell things to directly to the the reader, and take everyone else out of the equation a little bit, or we do, you know whatever, but mostly.

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Tad Eggleston: A knack actually, for for having sales that I can't pass up.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, okay.

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Tad Eggleston: Seems like at least

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Tad Eggleston: least a couple of times a year that you'll put something in your newsletter to them like fuck. I have to spend 20 more dollars on something that I have, but it's so cool.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I'm sorry about that. I didn't. I don't mean I don't mean to do that. To be honest.

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Tad Eggleston: So you're.

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Matthew Rosenberg: You know, I I yeah, I really like, I mean, it's it's funny for me. I grew up in an era of like

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Matthew Rosenberg: I'm a punk rock kid. I grew up listening to Punk Rock records, and that was in a time where, like you'd order records from the band, or you'd order records from the record direct from the record label, and someone from one of the bands was running the mailing for the record label. So you'd get a nice note and.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Matthew Rosenberg: You've got.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, and that's that was something I was going to make certain. I pointed out you also. I've never ordered something from you, and and it's weird, because the last thing I ordered I still haven't opened because I got the map set.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: When he put it on sale, but like

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Tad Eggleston: I've been afraid to open it, because I just don't want to separate it. I don't want it to get. So it's like when I figure out where I'm going to frame it, or whatever is when I'll open it. So I don't even know what you tossed in that box, but, like every every box I get from you has at least 4 things in it that I didn't order

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Tad Eggleston: jazz to get.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I try to do that at the I will say we've had to in the past bunch of months

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Matthew Rosenberg: we had to step up and have friends handle a lot of fulfillment. So, my friends, at 3rd eye comics in Annapolis actually fulfill not everything but some of the stuff just because I I live in a New York City apartment, and the amount of stuff that was sort of coming and going was.

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Tad Eggleston: Mean a New York City apartment doesn't have room for a full fulfillment center.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I know it's crazy.

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Tad Eggleston: Man. I thought New York City apartments were mistaken for Amazon warehouses.

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Matthew Rosenberg: That's what we're known for is our spacious apartments. Yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: and so sometimes now, like, I'm always like, I'll throw some free stuff in it. And they're always like, but it's your stuff. And we're not really au authorized to do that. And I'm like.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, that would be really complicated in case you gave someone like something that definitely shouldn't go out so we don't always give out a ton of free stuff anymore. But we're trying. And I'm I'm building in a system to do that. Now where you get cool, cool, free stuff always when you order.

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Tad Eggleston: Here's here's the box of free stuff. Put 3 items from the free stuff box in.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah, it's so. Yeah, I I also don't want to take go to 3rd eye and fill their warehouse with like my junk, and be like, just give people this. It's like a weird.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It did create. It was kind of cool. Yeah, I I was jealous. I was like, should I drive up for that? And then I was like. I can't get these across the border if I show up with 6 long.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Cds. And you know, trucks making food and all this stuff, and we're always like we should get a table and just get rid of all the comps we have. So we were always talking about just having a box. And then I was like, I don't know that people wouldn't be weirded out, that it was all just like the same comic. And it's just like 50 versions of DC. Versus vampires. 5, I don't think is going to get too many kids excited.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I you know I get jealous, I know, like a lot of the. And we have them in New York. But a lot of like people in other towns, and and have the little free libraries, and and I just don't have any near me where I live. If I did, I would go and drop off Comps every every couple of weeks.

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Tad Eggleston: And even if they don't do that, they'll put them in the library sales, or whatever.

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Tad Eggleston: Quarter apiece, for that matter. A friend of mine.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm digging this. What are you doing at DC, right now? I feel like you're still doing something. You got the.

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Tad Eggleston: It's it's it's you and I want to read it, but it's vampires, and I don't know how much.

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Tad Eggleston: But I actually had a guy at a I actually had a guy at a bookstore in Indianapolis. Sell me it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah. DC versus vampires is, you know, it's a it's a superhero comic. It's it's fully a superhero comic. It's you know, Green Batman and Green Arrow and Batgirl, and

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Matthew Rosenberg: all of those folks fighting an invasion. But the invasion is is vampires, and so there's a horror element, and there's all that stuff, but it's I have a lot of fun doing it. I really like it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: that's really fun. And you know, I did the 1st volume James helped out a little bit, and that was great, and he sort of set us up for the book, and then Otto Schmidt draws it, and me and Otto did Hawkeye together at Marvel, which is one of my favorite books that I've ever done, and.

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Matthew Rosenberg: you know, kind enough to let me do this book and ask me about a couple of other things that that I that were sounded awesome. But I was like, I don't think I have the time, or I don't think I'm the right fit

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Matthew Rosenberg: But I've already talked to them about when vampires raps doing something else. And I told them a couple ideas, and they were very excited. So I'm gonna be starting on something else soon, I think, or starting getting that in motion of

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Matthew Rosenberg: My! My plate is very full, and I I just have to sort of explore my own stuff right now, just because I think it's a i think it's a really good time

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Matthew Rosenberg: And I, everyone who got that structured differently. There's a bunch of different people who got it. It was me and Scott Snyder and James Tynan and Brian K. Vaughan and Brian Bendis and

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Matthew Rosenberg: bad for their health, and it's not bad for their mental health, and it's not bad for the creativity of the book that. And so we've been slow burning a bunch of stuff with a bunch of different people. And now it's all sort of coming together. So you know I've teased a little bit of what it was on substack a while ago, and some of those things are still a ways off, a year or 2 off, and some of those things are going to come pretty quick, and people are going to be surprised, and some of them have changed shape a little but

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Matthew Rosenberg: that's sort of all I can say, for now just that I have a bunch more books coming and you know, one of the books. We have 175 pages drawn already. It's not even announced yet. So, like, you know, we're already into well into volume 2 of the book, but it just you want to just do it right and take our time. So.

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Matthew Rosenberg: None of it is done the way I think editors would like. None of that stuff is done the way I think editors wish it was done, but they are accountable to major corporations and boards and shareholders, and so there's, you know, quarterly profits, and you can't be just.

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Matthew Rosenberg: And sort of is like this is stuff we're doing for 2028, 2029, and do that in a way where? Because there's just certain creators who can't work in that system because the system is an assembly line, and they're not assembly line graders. And so there's, you know, amazing artists who they just can't really give work to. There's a great writers who just can't handle the grind of it, and they're just closed off from that stuff which is

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Matthew Rosenberg: we're making image books. So image doesn't pay us to make books. They don't do that. That's not how image works. It's your book, it's your company. They are a conduit for all these things, and they help you do all these things, but they are not a company that is paying people to make comics. They are putting out comics for people and allowing them to make comics in the best way possible.

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Matthew Rosenberg: And so there's a lot of times where people are making image books where they're like. I need this to go as fast as I can, because it's the only way I'm paying my bills like, I need this to go. And so in that pipeline of that system.

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Matthew Rosenberg: you know, I'm one of the artists I work with. You know, we're pretty far into a series. And then he was like, Hey, I just got this call to do this really cool thing that, you know, just pays a ton of money, and and it would just be a month and a half. But it's kind of like a dream come true Project.

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Matthew Rosenberg: and he was like, I hate to drop this in your lap, and I was like our book's not announced. Go do it, man, like we're not here to get in the way of things like. And he was like, right. The artist was like, Really, that's crazy. And I was like.

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Matthew Rosenberg: you're gonna come back to our book happy and fulfilled that you went and did this thing, and you're going to do better pages for it. And you're going to like our book more. And you're not going to be resentful like. Go do it, of course. And he did, and he came back, and he was like, Oh, man, it was really great to do it. I'm so glad to be back on our book, and he's like I missed it. And I was like, that's awesome. I love to hear that. And

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Tad Eggleston: decided that they they had enough money to invest and and do things like that. Let's make the good comic. Get it done, or get way ahead and then start

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure. Yeah, yeah, it's hard. Comics takes a long time. And people.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I remember from being working in a shop when the walking dead was all the rage, and people would come in and buy the those, those compendiums that were like

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Matthew Rosenberg: 2 or 3 years of the walking dead in one book, and they would go home and read them in a weekend and be like, Where's the next one? And we'd be like, it's not out, and they'd be like, Oh, cool! What day does it come out? And I'd be like it comes out in 3 years like you just bought a new book, and they were so confused, and they were like, why, and I was like, someone has to draw all of those.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't get excited about movies very often, because I am very much a comics guy. But but when I saw that you guys had not only optioned 4 kids walk into a bank, but that it was actually going to get made. I got excited because while I don't think there's any way on film that you can do some of the crazy, wonderful things that Tyler boss did artistically. You just can't get the angles right.

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Tad Eggleston: Your script, I think, is absolutely cinematic.

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Tad Eggleston: So I have the utmost confidence. That will be a great movie. How did it feel

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Matthew Rosenberg: you know, people don't necessarily know this, I guess, but when you make a comic, especially at a certain level, like pretty much when the comic comes out, you get inquiries like we have film studios and producers and people reaching out about. We're taping down with us now like no one's read it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: 40 people on earth have read it, and we're getting inquiries like, can we option. This can we buy it? Is it available to read? Is it available to look at which is cool and a lot of stuff gets optioned? And that is the Hollywood system. They buy up things for themselves in the hopes that maybe one day they'll make it, and they buy up things to stop their competitors from doing the same, and you never know which you're in, whether you're there for them to make it or them there to block that someone else from making it

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Matthew Rosenberg: But because of that, most stuff doesn't get made.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It's like buying lottery tickets. So right.

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Matthew Rosenberg: you know your 1st couple years

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Matthew Rosenberg: it's still daunting when you start, when you know when my 1st book we can never go home came out, you know, big, famous people were emailing. Their reps were calling. And and you'd be like, oh, my God, this is it. And

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Matthew Rosenberg: you can only do that so many times before you're like, Okay, I get it. I get it like you buy it, and then it. You have it for 2 years, and then it goes back on the market, and someone else buys it for less money, and they have it for a year, and then it goes back on the market. And that's just the system and the it's nice. It's a little little pocket cash for everyone. And it's a it's a flattering email. And you take a bunch of meetings where people say, really absurd, hyperbolically nice things to you.

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Matthew Rosenberg: but you sort of to protect yourself. You say the thing which is pretty true, which is that like they don't actually ever make anything like almost nothing ever gets made. And, statistically speaking, of the stuff that's option, the stuff that's purchased almost none of it ever gets made. That's just a fact.

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Matthew Rosenberg: and you know I? Someone said once, like, Oh, well, it's like baseball. It's like, if everyone who showed up to tryouts made the team. And I was like, No, it's like if everyone who played Little League

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Matthew Rosenberg: thought they were making the gonna be on the Yankees. I was like, it's not the ratio is insane like it's everyone who owned a baseball mitt suddenly thought they were going to be on the, you know, on the dodgers. That's not how it works.

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Matthew Rosenberg: but to protect yourself emotionally. You hit a point where you say I'll believe it. When I sit down in the theater I'll believe it. And this was a weird one, because our production company, our producing partners picture, start, were amazing and really aggressive, and really believe in the book and love the book and

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Matthew Rosenberg: prove to us time and time again that they do. And yet there were still a half a dozen times where, like things would get interesting, and we'd have me and Tyler would have to be like, but they don't actually ever make anything. But it's I don't know. That sounds serious. And then it would die. And we'd be like, okay, yeah, that's what we assumed. And then picture start would be like, but we're gonna try this. Now, we're gonna do this or like, you know it died at 1 point, and then

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Matthew Rosenberg: point grey, which is Seth Rogen's company, came on to co-produce, and we were like, Oh, that's cool like Seth, and had a call with them, and they were great and

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Matthew Rosenberg: And then you're like, Oh, that's cool. And then it sort of died again, like, okay, it sort of died again. So when you finally get the call that it's like, Okay, they're gonna make it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: that literally we knew how close we were, because, like there were cat. There was a cast, and people had signed contracts, and people were location scouting, but we didn't have everything locked, and I was like, I don't know. I don't know if it's gonna happen. And so we didn't find out that they were making the movie until they started shooting on a Monday, and on Thursday before they were like

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Matthew Rosenberg: shooting is gonna start on Monday, like they're like, everything's in place. And so that was the moment. So when that's the situation. You sort of have a very weird like.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It's so much adrenaline so many times that when it finally happens you're just like, huh! That's

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Matthew Rosenberg: that's strange. It wasn't. There was no like popping champagne, and not that I drink champagne, but you know there was no celebration besides, like me and Tyler just having a surreal kind of like, wow! That's weird. That's cool.

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Tad Eggleston: And how about when you got to go to the set?

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Matthew Rosenberg: The set is very different. The set is the set was very cool. It was. The set was really special for me, because

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Matthew Rosenberg: it was spending time with a lot of people who, I know, like Frankie Shaw, our director. She has been working on this for years trying to get it made, and she has been so passionate and so cool, and so driven to do it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: that, like going and seeing her work, and hang out with her for a bit and like talk to her about it

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Matthew Rosenberg: it was very cool, but it was almost not cool for me, like I was just really happy for her kind of at that point.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I think it was different for Tyler. It's it's it's a different feeling.

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Matthew Rosenberg: only because, like I, Tyler was really in awe that like we watched, and he was like they got a car that looks like the car I drew like they got the same type of model car that I drew. And I was like, yeah. And then we got to the house. And he was like.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, yeah, that looks like the house. And I was like, Yeah, it does. And he was like, that house is like modeled after my grandmother's house.

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Matthew Rosenberg: And so he was just kind of like we went inside, and he was just kind of like, Whoa, that's really strange and surreal. And I it felt less surreal to me. But it was really, I mean, it's really great. It's a lot of people worked really hard to make it happen. And you get to be there and just shake everyone's hand and be like. Thank you for working so hard and congratulations. I mean, it's as you know.

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Matthew Rosenberg: it's as much their thing as it is ours, so like.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Matthew Rosenberg: You're, you know. We're not coming in like conquering heroes. Being like you made this thing for us. We're coming in being like we're so happy. You're making your thing like congrats.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I just. I know that. You know it's different. I mean, some comic creators like don't want their stuff.

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Tad Eggleston: One in particular famously never likes his stuff adapted.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Tad Eggleston: And for other people like that they want it adapted, but only if it's completely faithful. And others are like, Oh, it's just really cool. Somebody saw something in what I did that they could do something with.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I get the. I get the wanting it to be faithful and like, don't get me wrong like we're producers on the movie, like me and Tyler are both producers like we get. You know, every iteration of a script is available to us. Every production meeting is available to us. And and I just was kind of like, I don't need all this. I'm making comics. I have a job. I have a day job.

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Tad Eggleston: It's like this.

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Matthew Rosenberg: This is all of you. This is your day job to like. Read this stuff and look at the stuff and be in these meetings. This actually isn't my day job. So like I tap out on a lot of it. I gave notes, and when they wanted opinions I was happy to give them, and they were very generous, that. But also most of the time I was like, you guys are filmmakers. Do make the movie you want to make like the way I see it, you know, and maybe this is crazy is like

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Matthew Rosenberg: me. And Tyler set out to make a comic.

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Tad Eggleston: That was it, and we did it, and we're really proud of it. And that's done.

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Tad Eggleston: Just make a comic. You made a near, perfect comic.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, I mean that I've got some notes, but either way, like.

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Tad Eggleston: I said near.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Either way, like we're we're, we're done like we did that we've moved on. We're making what's the 1st place from here we're making. You'll do bad things we're making you'll take. We're taking everyone down with us. We're me and Tyler Co. Writing a book together right now. Another book that, you know, he's not gonna draw, but we're gonna write together and

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Matthew Rosenberg: we're on to the next thing.

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Tad Eggleston: What is this that the artist doing writing now? I mean.

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Tad Eggleston: tell her to stay in his place, man.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Most of the time.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I love dead dog, I mean. No, I don't know that he's a better writer than you. I know he's a good writer.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean is amazing.

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Matthew Rosenberg: You'll do. You'll do bad things are so good I'm like kind of low key, annoyed at him. I love him to death. But I'm also man like my life would be easier if your book sucks like it would just be nice.

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Matthew Rosenberg: But it doesn't. It's great.

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Matthew Rosenberg: He's great. And and Adriana, who draws his book, is great. So

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Matthew Rosenberg: But you know, the I I described it to someone at the movie is like, you know, it's it's like we made a cookbook.

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Matthew Rosenberg: And now someone else is making the cake, and we show up. And I'm so happy that the cake is getting made, and I'm so happy that they used our cookbook, and if they had their own ingredients, which they are cool, that's great. I'm excited to see how it works. I would love to go to the movie as a fan.

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Tad Eggleston: Is like the, and I love it because I like to imagine that if I ever had a creation that then was turned into something else that I would look at it that way. But that's like one of the most down to Earth.

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Tad Eggleston: you know.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, normally, it's again. It's either. Well, I'll take the money, but I don't even want to see it, because it's not my baby.

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Matthew Rosenberg: No, I mean it.

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Tad Eggleston: Or or it's.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, no, it is. It is. And it isn't my baby, you know it isn't it? Isn't. It started with me and someone else has it, I mean, maybe it's just like I don't know. I spent years working at the Big 2 where I'm writing characters of people who the people who created them died when I was young, like they're not my characters, and these characters will still be in comic books when I die. And you're just like storytelling is is the moment for me. That's what it is like. I make comics.

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Tad Eggleston: No, you didn't get the memo about Batman.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Or they? Yeah, no, I did. I did. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: They decided that he's stale.

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Matthew Rosenberg: He's done. Yeah, they're gonna

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Matthew Rosenberg: the the 6 titles a month. They just all crashed in sales at once, and they just yeah yeah kill them off for real this time.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Jeff Loeb and Jim Lee. Hush! 2 is.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: Can I mean.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Last one. Yeah, hush, 2. Jeff and Jim are. Gonna do the last batman comic and.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's hush! 2! Hush! Wins!

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Matthew Rosenberg: Kills him on page 10, and that's the end of the book, and it's cool.

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Matthew Rosenberg: yeah, no, I think. You know. And I think part of that. Is it for me like I. But also

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Matthew Rosenberg: look, I love movies. I watch movies. All the time I've watched movies my whole life. I was raised by screenwriters like, I love movies so dearly. It's not what I do. I make comics like. If I wanted to be a screenwriter I would be in Hollywood.

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Tad Eggleston: Cooler.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I comic? No, it's because comics are cooler like that's my.

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Tad Eggleston: Point. It's a.

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Tad Eggleston: Cooler, medium.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, I'm chasing the curtails of the cooler. Not always. But no, I just think comics are cooler. I like comics more. And so yeah, like, I don't.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I'm super excited. They're making a movie. I'm super happy. And I'm super flattered and everyone is great. And I want the movie to be awesome, and I think it is going to be awesome and

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Tad Eggleston: Until the premiere, or whatever.

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Matthew Rosenberg: We are going to the premiere. Yeah.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: You'll have to tell us about that.

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Tad Eggleston: I can't. I? I was gonna ask you if he actually has a specific set of skills and whether you have.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Of course she does. Of course she does.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, I didn't. I mean, I've seen a lot of the footage with Liam, and he's obviously a legend and

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Matthew Rosenberg: we're so we're super lucky to have him in the movie and whatever. But no, I didn't get to hang out with him in Ireland. We could have gone a week earlier and and hung out and seen him. But my schedule.

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Tad Eggleston: So I also now have to wait to find out whether he's a comic book fan, and wants to be on 22 panels.

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Matthew Rosenberg: She's hoping.

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Tad Eggleston: You guys were buddies.

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Matthew Rosenberg: That he was gonna come along instead of Tyler. But no Tyler this week.

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Tad Eggleston: No, no, no! When when he comes on the 1st time he's got to come alone.

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Tad Eggleston: Time you guys can come together.

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Matthew Rosenberg: That's fair.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, you can shoot him an email.

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Tad Eggleston: I got my qui-gon questions.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, we all have qui-gon questions. We all we all have our qui-gon.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: My own questions.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, no, I would love nothing more than to talk to Liam about qui-gon for a while. I don't think Liam wants to talk to me about qui-gon for a while.

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Tad Eggleston: One time.

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Matthew Rosenberg: But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. We'll find out.

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Tad Eggleston: Speaking of movies, the particularly impetus for me to reach out to you again because I actually reached out to you

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Tad Eggleston: in what December. And you said, Wait a month, because I'm about to announce a book. And I went. Okay, yeah, was, I finally got around to the movie that you

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Tad Eggleston: raved about last time, Kid Detective, but I got around to it with. And and 1st I'm going to say I have actually, since I watched it the 1st time. I think I've watched it

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Tad Eggleston: last night was the 7th or 8th time.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Wow!

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Tad Eggleston: I like it, and I like it better each time I feel like I catch another layer.

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Tad Eggleston: But I'm still having trouble.

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Tad Eggleston: Quitting my finger on exactly what I like about it. Sure. So I can like talk

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Tad Eggleston: in 6 different directions to make it not make sense. But you were passionate about it. When I when I brought it up again, you immediately were like, I love that movie.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Or 2.

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Tad Eggleston: So

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Tad Eggleston: distill for me, if for no other reason than so I can play the clip for the family members who didn't like it.

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Tad Eggleston: What do you love about Kid Detective? Why did it grab you the way it grabbed you?

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Tad Eggleston: And spoilers are allowed. It's been out for 5.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I'm not. Gonna I'm not gonna spoil it. I don't think the

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Matthew Rosenberg: there's a few things I think it does really. Well, one. I'm a big sucker for

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Matthew Rosenberg: nostalgia stories that don't just approach everything as being okay. Nostalgia comes from a place of sadness. A lot of the time. Nostalgia comes from a place of

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Matthew Rosenberg: weren't things better before? And I think we see a lot of nostalgia in pop culture that is like things are great now. But weren't they fun before, too? And I don't like that. I don't love that. And I, you know, this year for me, or last year, I guess, like the big one was. I saw the TV glow was like a a movie about nostalgia. And it's beautiful. And it's

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Matthew Rosenberg: really sad. And it's about broken people trying to remember if they were ever happy, and and if their lives were better or different before. And and Kid Detective does a lot of that, it does a lot of this, like

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Matthew Rosenberg: the the story of a a person who had promise, and that promise never materializes, and it's heartbreaking. But I also just like that. It takes

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Matthew Rosenberg: risks. It goes

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Matthew Rosenberg: farther than you think it needs to. It goes darker than you think it needs to, but it also works as a detective story like there's so there's such a gimmick to it that you could do it without it actually being a functional detective story. But it follows the template of like classic, like forties, fifties, sixties, detective stories that it's a functional like girl shows up and needs the detective's help, and he's going to get into it. And it's that temp. But it's that template with all these like

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Matthew Rosenberg: funny, quirky, sad elements that that would be enough in a normal movie. So I love that it's like structurally, really sound, but also the the dressing on it is really unique and and fun and weird and different. And like daring. I think I think it's really like a brave movie, because it gets

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Matthew Rosenberg: real sad and real dark in places. But it's a comedy, and it's really funny and prices, and I'm always a sucker for a sad comedy.

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Tad Eggleston: I also loved that the town matched

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Tad Eggleston: where he was. It was this.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm calling.

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Tad Eggleston: Pleasant. It was this Pleasantville when he was the successful kid detective. Yeah. And when he couldn't solve the case, and he spiraled down the entire town.

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Tad Eggleston: Spiraled down with him, and then, when he solved the case, the whole town was.

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Tad Eggleston: Roses, again.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, 100. It's great. It's a beautiful, I mean, it's a beautiful distillation of our relationship to where we are in our life, where we are in our life and the world around us. I think it's a really sweet like when you're a kid, and your people think you're great like it's great, and when you're a grown up and you feel lost in the world, the world feels dark and overwhelming, and and is dark and overwhelming. And and I just think it does all those things really. Well, it's a very fun movie.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, definitely seems to resonate with a lot of the stories that you hear. If you're just talking to people in general where it's like, Oh, you know, I was like honors, student when I was a kid. And then

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Peter Eggleston Connor: I grew up and I went to college, and I wasn't an honor student, or even like anywhere near that. And

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Peter Eggleston Connor: you know it took me a long time to realize that. You know, I'm fairly normal. And that's okay, right.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah, the exactly the like. The gifted child syndrome of of being being told how incredible you are and then becoming

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Matthew Rosenberg: average is like devastating to kids. And I think that's such a fun

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Matthew Rosenberg: narrative to just to sort of study and and discover and and look into.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I definitely really enjoyed that about the movie. I thought, I thought, like going back onto like the whole sort of following this whole mystery plot. It's interesting because it really does follow the mystery plot, but also because of all that layering that you talk about, it always feels like it's throwing you a little bit off like you're you're expecting, like, you know. I think one of the detectives that got gets thrown around is Sam spade or something like

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Peter Eggleston Connor: you're expecting, like our our kid detective to run around. And you know, be this dashing hero, and

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Peter Eggleston Connor: that's really not.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's funny, cause it, it follows a lot of the tropes of a classic detective story. But then it's

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Matthew Rosenberg: not about a classic detective, and that's that's great. That's you know.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I love people, you know, and it's a thing like in in my new book, like we are both making fun of the James Bond sort of style story, but also it's a love letter to it. I love that stuff like I've I own every James Bond movie on DVD, like, I've seen them all a million times. I'm a super fan, but also like

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Matthew Rosenberg: it's okay to poke fun at the things you love and exam. And that's how we examine them. And that's how we learn why they're good. And so like the structure of a great spy story.

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Matthew Rosenberg: You can also make fun of a great spy story in that structure the structure of a great detective story. You can do as a terrible detective story and still make it good and interesting. And I think that's really I'm just a sucker for those kind of things always of people who both respect the source, material, and respect the influence.

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Matthew Rosenberg: but also, you know, pay tribute to the archetypes, but also want to bend them and twist them, and see where they can take them.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I think it's actually completely necessary.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, you look at an Astro city, or a black hammer, or even a watchman, Mr. Miracle, and know that they love the superheroes first.st

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Arch, you know I mean Astro City and Black Hammer are much more love letters.

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Tad Eggleston: sure. But you can see that Alan Moore at 1 point loves superheroes like loves.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure.

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Tad Eggleston: He wouldn't be able to break them.

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Tad Eggleston: Break them down the way he did. You know he's not making fun of them. He's going yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: But.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure, yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: What if?

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah. And I love. I love Astro City, and I love Black Hammer, and I love that stuff that I love the

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Matthew Rosenberg: you know the dissection of what we do. And you know, at this point for me, like I love a good superhero comic. I love a good big 2 comic, but the you know a lot of times people are kind of come in and do something different, and and break the mold on those a little bit, and you know whether it's like

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Matthew Rosenberg: Tom King on vision, or or you know Tom King and and Gabe Walt on vision or fraction, and Aha! On, on Hawkeye, or.

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Tad Eggleston: Got it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: You know, like Mr. Miracle, or you know all these books that you're like. This isn't.

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Matthew Rosenberg: This is not what I expected this book to be, but it's still rooted in a love of superheroes, and it's a and it's a it's a deconstruction of them, and it's a it's a new understanding of them that comes from a place of love. I'm a big fan of that. It's very easy to do like. I hate superheroes, and this is my superhero book, and people do them, and they don't really do much for me.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Even just something like the boys like Garth. Ennis clearly has a respect and admiration for superheroes and the boys, but also is like. But this is

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Matthew Rosenberg: also, you know, taking the piss out of that too.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. And I mean, maybe I think, Ennis more, I mean to me it reads more like, I haven't appreciate. I love comics, and I appreciate what superheroes have done for comics. But let's.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, maybe pound the shit out of them.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, maybe. But still, like he, he knows his stuff. And I mean, he's written some amazing superhero comics and

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Matthew Rosenberg: right.

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Tad Eggleston: Heroes other than.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure. I mean, it depends on your definition.

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Tad Eggleston: Pressure and midnighter.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure like, you know. But like is Hitman a.

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Tad Eggleston: No, that's true.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sort of I mean.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, and he certainly hung out with superheroes from time to time.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah. Yeah. And there's, you know, there's a there's a bunch of stuff like that, that, you know, like dog welder and stuff like he comes in and does, does stuff every once in a while, and plays in the world, and it's awesome when he does. He's he's the best at it.

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Tad Eggleston: Getting Babs.

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Matthew Rosenberg: No.

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Tad Eggleston: And ahoy! Right now.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I read everything in trade so like I haven't.

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Tad Eggleston: So so. So I think the last issue came out this week. So.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Out for for a couple months from now. Probably. Yeah. It's like his, his sword and sorcery feminist.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Feminist sword and sorcery, deconstruction. It's fantastic and hilarious, and.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: That's pretty amazing. Yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: 1st one that's.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, I love Garth stuff I actually just read a couple of weeks ago, one of I always I don't. I have to stop myself, because I'll just read all of them. So I have to. I doled them out sparingly because he doesn't write them as fast as I read them, but I just read

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Matthew Rosenberg: Flying Eagle, like the one of the the war books like, I love those. And yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: He's he's the modern master of war comics. Yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah 100%.

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Tad Eggleston: Actually the story he just did. In what? Hello! Darkness at.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Boom, yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: That was fantastic as well. I think it's still got a couple installments to go. But I'm loving it. All right, we're gonna we're gonna cause. I know. I know you got to go soon.

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Tad Eggleston: We're we're gonna hit. My favorite last question. And the what wound up with me getting kid detectives the last time.

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Tad Eggleston: and also, you guys were the ones that forced the door open to be more than comics because you gave me a comic recommendation. Ama was also great, and I can't believe that I'm saying this. I did read teen, vote.

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Matthew Rosenberg: That's great!

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Tad Eggleston: And surprisingly it is.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It is great. It's not great. Yeah, like we joke about it. And like.

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Tad Eggleston: Don't have any idea how to recommend it to people sure like.

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Matthew Rosenberg: What's for kids?

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Tad Eggleston: It's a teen, and he's a boat. No, I don't. Actually, I feel like it's it's it's for kids, the way Archie is for kids.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. Yeah. No team. We don't.

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Tad Eggleston: Thank you.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Our love of team boat would be really mean spirited if we didn't actually love team. But if we didn't think it was good, but we both think it's really good, like the name. We laughed at it, and we we made jokes about it, as I think you're supposed to do with the name. And then one of us sat down and read it and was like fuck. It's really good. Okay? And then we both read it and we love it. Team book's great.

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Tad Eggleston: Lat. The the last time I had that kind of reaction to a comic was when I finally read Archie versus Predator, which

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Tad Eggleston: I should have noticed Alex de Campy's name, and like just known even before I started reading. But like for the longest time, it's like Archie versus Predator, really. And finally I read it. I'm like holy fuck. This is really good.

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Matthew Rosenberg: The so you want a recommendation? Well.

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Tad Eggleston: Specifically, I want something you love

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Tad Eggleston: that not enough other people have experienced, and you need them to. So you can talk to them about it. And like this time with with kid detective, you actually wound up getting to talk to somebody new about it. Sure, yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: So, you know, I mean I might follow up with you. I did read the 1st volume, Ama, and I keep meaning to read the other 3. I did love it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: But so every volume is so different. Like he basically read the like. The story is the same. But it's like a total reimagining of the way the the world works. And so it really is like.

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Tad Eggleston: Really need to.

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Matthew Rosenberg: You just you sort of rediscover it every time I love that book.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, I want to recommend a comic. What is a comic that I truly love that not enough. People are reading.

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Matthew Rosenberg: that's a really good question. I read everything in trade.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, it could be a graphic novel. It could be a comic strip.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I don't have my, I don't have my my recent reads in front of me. They're in the other room.

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Tad Eggleston: Doesn't have to be new.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean it can be.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I well, let me start. Let me do a movie.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Matthew Rosenberg: The movie.

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Matthew Rosenberg: And I would say, my favorite movie, the last

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Matthew Rosenberg: 5, maybe 10 years is after sun. I think after sun is like one of the most beautiful, heartbreaking.

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Matthew Rosenberg: powerful films I've ever seen, and everyone I know who saw

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Matthew Rosenberg: sun as in a male child or sun, as in an orb in the sky, orb in the sky.

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Tad Eggleston: Cool.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Everyone who saw it was like, Oh, it's 1 of the best movies I've ever seen. And you get like halfway in. And you're like, yeah, it's really good one of the best movies ever. And then, by the end, when you're just sort of in awe of just how it works. I mean, I've talked to. I've made a bunch of people. I made Kelly Thompson watch it, and she was like, Oh, yeah, it's 1 of the best movies I've ever seen in my life. And I was like, all right. And she was like, Yeah, an hour. And I thought.

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Tad Eggleston: So love Kelly's taste. So if she says that too.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Me and Kelly are. We were literally 10 min before I was on here. Ed Brisson messaged me like we have a slack, and he was like, I have 2 h. What should I watch? And me and Kelly both wrote after sun at the same time, and he was like, No, he's like, stop talking about that. No, but he will watch it because we're going to bully him into it. So after sun is my movie pick. It's a, you know, it's a beautiful and devastating movie, and and very sweet and

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Matthew Rosenberg: very sad, and just wonder. It's just a really quiet film that's really incredibly powerful. So that's

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Matthew Rosenberg: my movie. Pick my comic pick.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I feel goofy saying.

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Matthew Rosenberg: not enough. People read it because a ton of people read it. But I feel like. No, you know what I'm gonna go different one. I'm gonna go different one. It's out of print.

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Tad Eggleston: I want them both now. But.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, okay. Well, the the one I'm going to say is out of print, but you can find it because it was a vertigo book, but it was late. Era vertigo

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Matthew Rosenberg: and it's Josh Dysart and Alberto. Ponticelli's run on Unknown Soldier. It's 4 volumes.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay, yeah. I know that.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It is to me. It's the perfect comic.

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Matthew Rosenberg: it is just a a. It changed my, my perspective. What comics could be? It changed my perspective of what comics should be. It is

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Matthew Rosenberg: badass and cool and powerful, and devastatingly thought provoking, and, like

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Matthew Rosenberg: everything you think it is, it becomes something else. And it it's just. And there's an issue. And I say this to people. And when people have read it, when I go, there's an issue, they all know exactly what I'm talking about, but there's an issue late in those series. I think it's in Volume 4. But it might be in Volume 3 that

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Matthew Rosenberg: I'd put in the top 5 best comics ever made easily, easily. I'd put it up there with.

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Matthew Rosenberg: you know, whatever else is in People's Canon of top 5 comics I'd be like, I think, that issue of unknown soldier like you can just hand that to people. And

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Matthew Rosenberg: that's all they need to know. So that's my pick. And then the other book I was going to say, which I feel a little goofy, because I think a lot of people read it, and a lot of people know it, and it's a touchstone to a ton of people. But is David Lapham stray bullets, stray bullets.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, I adore stray bullets. Yeah, I have one piece of original art.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And it's a page from stray bullets.

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Matthew Rosenberg: That's awesome. That rule.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I have 3 pieces of original art, and 2 of them are Bendis pages. I have a page from goldfish and a page from Jinx.

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Tad Eggleston: Wow!

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Matthew Rosenberg: But David, lap on straight bulls. I don't. I don't buy original art because I I have.

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Tad Eggleston: It was a gift to me. I didn't buy it either. It was. It was. It was gifted by a friend of mine.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It's a very good gift.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I may have let him know that David Laffham was selling art at a discounted price. Sure, I may have even like. Let him know that there was a specific page at a good price, that.

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Matthew Rosenberg: But yeah, that's a good. Still. Still, a good friend David is is amazing. I got to work with him on detective comics for a little bit, and I tried really hard not to be like, you're one of the reasons I make comics. I think I just said it.

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Tad Eggleston: David. David has caused me to spend way too much money on bad idea. Kickstarters.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure, yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Like I can't not.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, no, he's the best. He's the best.

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Tad Eggleston: For that matter, the one the one now has a tier

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Tad Eggleston: that you can get, a 1 of one

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Tad Eggleston: comic that he draws you into.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, that's great.

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Tad Eggleston: And it's like, Oh.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Chef.

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Matthew Rosenberg: We got David to do a cover for what's the worst place from here? And that was like

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Matthew Rosenberg: that was a a top 10 comic, making moment for me of just like, you know, he's.

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Tad Eggleston: Also one of my white whales. I've reached out to him a few times, and he hasn't gotten back to me about being on the podcast.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure he's the.

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Tad Eggleston: Really.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Like to talk.

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Tad Eggleston: Talk to David.

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Matthew Rosenberg: He's amazing. He yeah, he is just, you know.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I'm very lucky in the people who have done covers for me. And I mean. Obviously the artists I work with. I'm very blessed. But I, you know, like

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Matthew Rosenberg: I've had Alex Ross do a cover. I've had Jim Lee do a cover. I've had David do cover. I've had, you know, a lot of my like.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Put them on the pedestal like this is the Mount Rushmore. Of of living, breathing comics, people so.

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Tad Eggleston: I I think the last time you guys were on I complained about the number of impressive

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Tad Eggleston: variant covers that you had during like the 6 issues of sure, it's fair, because I try

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Tad Eggleston: really hard to only buy one cover of a given competition.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And I think I think I might at this point have 5 of issue one.

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Tad Eggleston: I didn't buy them all together. It was more like every for like a month and a half I'd be in a different comic shop and go. Oh, that looks amazing! I go! Oh, God, it's another! It's another covered. What's the furthest place from here? Number one. Yeah. Well, I have it in the budget this week.

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Matthew Rosenberg: We have. Well, I we appreciate it. Yeah, I I feel I mean, I feel the same. I buy. People are always like, Oh, you know you don't

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Matthew Rosenberg: buy variant covers. I was like, I do. I go and I hire artists. I give them thousands of dollars to make them for me, because I think they're cool, like I very much do.

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Tad Eggleston: I.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Give. You know I get Jenny Frizzen and Scotty young and and.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Brian Bendis and Marcus Martin and stuff to go do covers, because I think they're amazing people and amazing artists. So

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Matthew Rosenberg: I, I get it, and I appreciate it.

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Tad Eggleston: Bendis done a cover for you.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah. Bennis did a cover for issue one.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow! Cause he does so little. Oh, wait! That's right. He did for issue one. I think I.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, he did the pig, the pig mask. Yeah, it's the

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Matthew Rosenberg: he'd drawn in like professionally in in like more than a decade. Yeah?

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Matthew Rosenberg: I asked. I took the shot, and I asked him, and I asked Ed Brubaker, and Ed was so kind, and was like, Oh, man, I really like the book. I'm not going to do that. Here's a pull quote. And I was like, That's so kind of you, man, because Ed's 1 of my heroes, and and one of the Greats, and and I asked Brian, too, and Brian was like, yep.

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Matthew Rosenberg: and I was like, Oh, I didn't think you'd say yes, and he's like, why wouldn't I say yes, and I was like, why would you and then he did it, and he's just great. I love Brian dearly. He is, One of the reasons that I fell in love with comics. He is one of the reasons I make comics, and he is still one of the reasons I try and make my comics better. So.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Tad Eggleston: He's the best.

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Tad Eggleston: That is, that is fantastic. Last question. Just just cause it just popped in my head.

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Tad Eggleston: I can't believe we talked so little about what's the furthest place from here. I'll have to drag you back again at some point, because, like the last time we talked to it about it. There was 3 issues out now. There are what 20.

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Matthew Rosenberg: 2120, 21, yeah, we're working on 22. Now.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, something like that.

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Tad Eggleston: How? How long do you think you're going.

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Matthew Rosenberg: 31 or 32.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay. So so you have an end in mind. And.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, yeah, yeah, we've always known the end. But we have the right before the end. Now we know what it is.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, no, I knew that you'd always know in the end, because I think I asked that question last time, but.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: But I think the last time you had no idea how.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, we had no idea to get.

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Tad Eggleston: To that end.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah. Yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: we had certain benchmarks where there were certain places that were forks in the road where we were like, well, it could go here, and we could get to the end of this, or we could go here, and we are playing out the longest scenario, which I'm very happy with because the people, the readers of the book and the audience has been amazing and supportive. And

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Matthew Rosenberg: So we got to tell the entire story. We want to tell, which is, you know, not something a lot of ongoing comments get to do these days. And so we're very incredibly lucky. I mean, we haven't done it yet, so it's a little bit knock on wood, but.

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Tad Eggleston: You will.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, I mean, we have it all planned out. And it's just incredibly supportive. And we know what it is. And we're we're halfway through the 5th arc, and then there's just 6 arc. So then, once we get in the next couple of months we'll be in the end game of the final story, so.

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Tad Eggleston: And are you slowly catching up with the Vinyls, or did you.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, they're all done.

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Tad Eggleston: The Vinyls because of oh, they were only for the first.st

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Matthew Rosenberg: It's 1st 7. Yeah, yeah, there was, gonna be. We were gonna do it for the 1st 10. And by the time

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Matthew Rosenberg: 3 was solicited. I canceled, and I gave the bands their songs back, and I was like no one can get records made, and all the literally to their credit. All the bands were like. Well, our record labels can't do anything with these songs, either. No one can get Vinyl out the door. And they're like you can hold on to them, and I was like, no, it's a headache. I don't. I appreciate it. I thank you for your time. I paid for the recordings and said, Have a nice have a nice time.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Take your songs, and some of the songs have come out, and they've been awesome, and I bought them on other people's 7 inches. And it's great. But yeah, it's just the just the 7, 1 through 7. So, and those are all out and available, and your record, your local comic shop should be able to get them. And if they're not.

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Tad Eggleston: Most of them. I gotta figure it out. I think I wound up accidentally getting a couple of them twice, just because they were

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Tad Eggleston: all over the place. It's like, Do I have this one? Or yeah, I'd run into him at the shop, and it's like, Oh, I don't know if I got this one.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, there you go.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah. Well, thank you. Hopefully. Those will make nice nice Christmas presents for someone else.

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Tad Eggleston: Exactly any chance of an OP.

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Matthew Rosenberg: No, literally, definitely. No, that's you know, something that we talked about early. And I was like, no, I just want to make this and do this.

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Tad Eggleston: Would be the coolest version of the super deluxe omnibus edition. You shouldn't say definitely no. Yet.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Jeff, I'm gonna say, definitely, no. We

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Matthew Rosenberg: All the bands were really generous to give us these songs, and we just wanted them for the 7 inch, and then to give them back, and I'm sure that they would all come back, and for the most part, maybe not. I don't know, but I won't speak for anyone but they and say, Sure, but I just am. No, the 7 inch is what it is. I like the idea of things that are fleeting. I like single issue comics. I like a 7 inch record. I like a thing that's

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Matthew Rosenberg: that exists to be itself and not part of a bigger thing, and we're gonna do a big collection of the book, probably someday, but.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I have mixed feelings on fleeting things on one side I get. I get the and on the other side, like

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Tad Eggleston: like before you logged on. I just got a shipment from kitchen sink. Did you know that they made an educational comic in 1975.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Awesome.

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Tad Eggleston: The Wisconsin, Wisconsin,

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Tad Eggleston: Department of Justice, funded by the office of economic

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Tad Eggleston: opportunity in DC. And it was given to all High School seniors in the State of Wisconsin. Sure, and, like

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Tad Eggleston: Dennis, has, I think, still a hundred or 2 of these, maybe.

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Tad Eggleston: but once they're gone, that's it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah, I love that. That's there's a romance.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I do. I mean again, on one level, I do. And on the other side, like.

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Tad Eggleston: Every once in a while there's that thing that I'll hear about, and it's like that sounds amazing. And I never actually get to read it, because I can never find it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure. Sure.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, we made a lot of records, so I think people will be able to find them. You can go to ashcanpress.com and buy them if you want them.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes, for a long time, knocking a couple of them that way.

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Matthew Rosenberg: The the yeah. So yeah, that's it. And we're just gonna keep going with the book and

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Matthew Rosenberg: and more books in the pipeline. Yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Volume 4 is out

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Matthew Rosenberg: any day. Now, actually, which is a really fun one. I just got my copies of it. Yeah, maybe next week week after

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Tad Eggleston: Week.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I just got copies of it. It looks beautiful.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Josh Hickson and Sweeney, Boo and Ricardo Lopez, Ortiz and Dylan Burnett all did issues, and they're gorgeous and very fun. And some of my.

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Matthew Rosenberg: some of the most fun comics I've ever made. So I hope people check it out. It's a great place to start. If you've never read any of the book like you can start with Volume 4. But then you have to go back to.

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Tad Eggleston: Can actually.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, it's all world building stuff and.

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Tad Eggleston: I have happily read each issue as it comes out often a couple of times, cause.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, thank you.

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Tad Eggleston: You. You give me a lot of. There aren't a lot of writers or artists that I wind up saying that to that it's like your book came out, and I had to read it twice this week.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Them, confusing.

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Tad Eggleston: No, no, it's never that. They're it's actually

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Tad Eggleston: like I forget who I was recently talking to that. That was like, if I'm done with a comic in 5 min. That means it was a terrible comic. I'm like, no, no.

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Matthew Rosenberg: - it's only a terrible comic if you don't, don't want to go back and read it again.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I never take more than 5 min for my 1st read of saga, because I got to get there.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure.

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Tad Eggleston: But then I got to go back and pour over every ounce. Of

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Tad Eggleston: of course, of course, of course.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Like that. What's furthest place from here, too. It's I have every.

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Tad Eggleston: Get through that story, and then I got a.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Go back

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Matthew Rosenberg: every I have, every issue of saga and single issue. I have every trade, and I have the big, nice, hard covers of saga, because you want to consume it and come back to it.

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Tad Eggleston: Too. The only saga that I don't have yet is the big phone book and the new and the new.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Digest, one.

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Tad Eggleston: Digest ones, and I'm kind of tempted to get the digest.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I don't. I don't need that. I'm happy for people to.

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Tad Eggleston: I know I don't need it.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well, sure!

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Tad Eggleston: It's kind of like love and rockets where I I haven't completed my love and rockets single issue.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: But I like am working on the single issue run. I'm working on the original.

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Matthew Rosenberg: On like 1st principle, like the just buying.

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Tad Eggleston: If it's 1st print.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Well like you could buy the box set, that's all of them.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, I have the box set too.

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Matthew Rosenberg: So you want the.

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Tad Eggleston: Box set. I have most of the

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Tad Eggleston: most of the new library editions. I have most of the original Hardcover

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Tad Eggleston: graphic novels. I'm about halfway through the single issues.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure.

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Tad Eggleston: And

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Tad Eggleston: yeah, no, it's it's just another one of those things. It's like, I love this so much. I want every version they did.

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Tad Eggleston: Sure I get that.

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Tad Eggleston: They've they've overall done little enough over like 40 years that it mostly fits in a short box.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure, yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, they've done a lot, but you know what I mean.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah yeah, for single issues. Yeah, if you're not reading those ogns, especially if you're not, if you're not counting those ogns that they do that.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Some of them are on that shelf right there. Gentlemen.

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Tad Eggleston: So it's been a pleasure fantastic.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm good.

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Tad Eggleston: And hopefully we'll talk again. I can't wait to see what comes next.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm looking forward to seeing more of.

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Matthew Rosenberg: We're taking around home with us.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, I wanted 2 things I wanted to say first, st unknown soldier may be out of print, but it is on

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Tad Eggleston: DC. Universe.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yes, good. Read it, everyone read it, go read it right now.

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Tad Eggleston: So it. So it is available digitally, or at least parts of it are

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Tad Eggleston: and then buy it, find it online. It's not gonna be that much money?

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Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I used.

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Tad Eggleston: I guess it's the 1st 6 issues are.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, okay.

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Tad Eggleston: No.

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Matthew Rosenberg: There's 4 volumes. So it's okay.

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Matthew Rosenberg: 24 in there, 2025, 2326 issues somewhere in there.

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Tad Eggleston: The comic shop that that sold me on.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: DC. Vampires is downtown comics in Castleton.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Sure. Yeah, don't talk about.

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Tad Eggleston: Side of Indianapolis, lovely and

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Matthew Rosenberg: I bought books from you myself. I've bought books from there many times.

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Tad Eggleston: And and the day after my birthday, March 26th is is when people can pick up

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Tad Eggleston: the 1st issue of we're taking everyone down with us, and you think I'm kidding, but you will almost certainly get an email from me that week, saying, Hey, you said this was all done. Can I see the Pdfs.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: It's my birthday.

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Tad Eggleston: They remember.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, it's your birthday. That's fair. That's fair will be well.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm looking forward to it, I'll probably be buying it as it comes out, so.

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Tad Eggleston: I will absolutely. I mean.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: Like, and I know.

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Tad Eggleston: Getting the Pdf. Does not make me less likely.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: No, I'm not.

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Tad Eggleston: Where to God? Matthew.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I don't. I don't.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I'm not. I'm.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: I won't be seeing it until it comes out. I'm not ride on Ted's coattails. Oh.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: and I am excited about 4 kids walking to a bank the movie and really enjoyed the company.

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Tad Eggleston: Is, that is, that I didn't see any release date yet.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Oh, yeah, we're not this year.

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Tad Eggleston: Or.

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Matthew Rosenberg: I'm not. I don't know.

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01:17:10.070 --> 01:17:10.490
Peter Eggleston Connor: About that.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Say that.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: Okay, that's.

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Matthew Rosenberg: It'll come out. People people will know when it's coming out.

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Tad Eggleston: Will come out.

787
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Matthew Rosenberg: Big enough thing that people.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Yeah, it's.

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Tad Eggleston: 2032, 23. Liam decided that he wants it as his funeral.

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01:17:27.552 --> 01:17:29.000
Matthew Rosenberg: It'll be my funeral.

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01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:29.960
Peter Eggleston Connor: Whoa!

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Matthew Rosenberg: The the.

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Tad Eggleston: 32, I just.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: And the.

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Tad Eggleston: Bottom of the I.

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Peter Eggleston Connor: dB.

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Tad Eggleston: Page for 4 kids walk into the bank. There's there's an interview with, or a link to, an interview with Liam Neeson, where he says he needs to stop doing action movies because he's 72.

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Matthew Rosenberg: Audience.

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Tad Eggleston: Thank you.

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Matthew Rosenberg: No, he doesn't. He's doing. He's he's kicking ass!

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Tad Eggleston: Yes. So for 22 panels. This has been Matthew Rosenberg. We will see you after the next page.