Bonus Episode: With Great Power #208...22 Panels with Bryce Ingman

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Tad Eggleston: Good afternoon, everybody! Welcome back to the 22 panels. I'm joined by my buddy bouncing Baby Bryce Ingman from.

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Tad Eggleston: for from my bad fame, Red Sonia, fame and and and couple stories in in Edgar Allan Poe, snifter of

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Tad Eggleston: type stuff.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Bryce: Project, cryptid.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Oh, that's right. You did project crypto 2.

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Bryce: Yup! Yup!

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

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Bryce: Are, those.

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Tad Eggleston: Didn't you actually get to pick up from?

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, you! You do have one of the cooler writing credits because because the the

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Tad Eggleston: the Ahoy mystery story did.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: You got to take the baton from Grant Morrison, didn't you.

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Bryce: I did. Yeah, yeah. The naked corpse thing. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: What does that feel like.

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Bryce: Oh, that that was a huge! It was daunting. It was. It was both daunting and an honor and and fun.

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Bryce: Yeah, all those things, you know. I

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Bryce: I wish I could have done more. I even pitched to ahoy like let me do a comic book about the blind detective who sees and hears through her dog

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Bryce: that didn't happen.

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Bryce: Not yet, not yet.

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Tad Eggleston: Maybe one day.

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Bryce: Maybe one day, but that was super fun.

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Tad Eggleston: I think, for that one. You need to find the artist that can do something really crazy.

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Bryce: Yes.

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Tad Eggleston: To make it clear that you're seeing and hearing through the dog.

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Bryce: Yeah, that would. That would make it. You're right.

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Tad Eggleston: You know, if if you turn in like the 2, page, treatment of how you're doing it visually is is when that becomes oh, yes, that I I want that.

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Bryce: I'm doing a different book for ahoy! So they green lit something else, so I can't complain.

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Tad Eggleston: Can can you talk about it yet, or.

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Bryce: It hasn't been announced. It's a it's a sci-fi thing set in the future. It deals a lot with robot dogs.

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Tad Eggleston: Hey! Hey!

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Bryce: Say that much.

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Tad Eggleston: I like robot dogs.

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Bryce: Yeah, it's like, real.

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Tad Eggleston: Dogs, too, not as much as cats.

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Bryce: I'm a i like cats, but I'm more of a dog guy, and so it's exciting to

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Bryce: be able to do something that that I hope, will.

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Bryce: that lovers of dogs will enjoy, and also people that find robot dogs a bit

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Bryce: unnerving, will also enjoy the book.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean robot dogs are unnerving. I can only think of, you know

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Tad Eggleston: Fahrenheit 451 and and snow crash and.

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Bryce: Black mirror.

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Tad Eggleston: Now.

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Bryce: That that I don't know. If you've seen that episode of Black Mirror about robot dogs. It's.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I haven't. I haven't actually watched any black mirror yet.

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Bryce: Really good.

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Tad Eggleston: People keep saying, it's really good.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. But I don't watch a ton of TV. So I'm still catching up on all sorts of stuff that I missed

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Tad Eggleston: over the last like 40 years, I mean, mentioned off air that like like I've been binging

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Tad Eggleston: deep space 9, which you know probably went. Oh, that's your comfort thing, and it's like, well, it is my comfort thing, but it's also the 1st time I'm seeing it.

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Bryce: Yeah, I've never seen Deep Space 9, either. I've I've.

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Tad Eggleston: Think I watched a handful of the individual episodes way back when but

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Tad Eggleston: Enough of the characters are are

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Tad Eggleston: heavily featured in the stuff that Chris Cantwell and Jackson, Lanzing and Colin Kelly are doing at

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Tad Eggleston: idw, right now. Okay, with that. That

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Tad Eggleston: like, when I decided, okay, I'm loving these Star Trek comics.

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Tad Eggleston: My friend Chris is a star trek not, and like

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Tad Eggleston: shit himself when he got the Star Trek writing gig.

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Tad Eggleston: sorry, Chris. I wasn't supposed to say that on the air was I.

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Bryce: It's okay.

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Tad Eggleston: Hi, mom, Hi, Britt, Hi, Adam! Hi, John! Those are the 4 people that heard.

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Bryce: You know. I think that's fair to say of any of any of us writers when we get the opportunity to do something that we enjoyed growing up.

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Bryce: You kind of want to shit yourself with excitement.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Bryce: I get it, I get it.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

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Bryce: There's 1. Well, but but for right now that if I got it I'd feel that way. So.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Well, you'll have to let me know if you get it and say, just send me the big picture, and I'll know or just send me a selfie, and I'll know you got

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Tad Eggleston: even knowing what it is.

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Tad Eggleston: and then we'll discover it's something totally weird, like you were a care bears, kid, and they're they're reviving the care bears, comic

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Tad Eggleston: or cabbage patch kids.

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Bryce: That would be funny.

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Bryce: Those 2 are not the right guess.

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Tad Eggleston: I do know, I I've gotten. I still haven't read any of their stuff. And I need to, because I've got a couple kids that are really into it, too.

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Tad Eggleston: We've had a couple of people on that have done work for my little pony, and like there is.

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Tad Eggleston: What it seems like, anyway, is that there's just a ridiculously healthy community around all of.

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Bryce: Oh, yes, yeah, that's a popular property.

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Tad Eggleston: But not only is it a popular property, I mean, it's like they're telling me about going to pony cons. And and it's like, and they're like, we're royalty, like the comic book. People are as royalty as the the

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Tad Eggleston: as the and everybody's nice to everybody. You don't have

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Tad Eggleston: the toxicity, and when it does show up, it like, immediately gets shunted out the door.

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Tad Eggleston: That's great number.

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Tad Eggleston: And I'm like, that sounds nice.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's that's like Mini comic. Cons.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: It's just hard to do on the big scale, which is, I think, why, I like the smaller ones.

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Bryce: Yeah, yeah. Or it's like a signing, you know, like a signing in a bookstore, or something is is.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: More interesting to me than sitting at a table at a con.

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Bryce: because you just get the random people in the bookstore who you could talk to, and that's.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: Often more interesting.

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Tad Eggleston: And they're like, Who are you again?

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Tad Eggleston: Yup! Yup!

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Bryce: About this, and.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: It's nice.

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Bryce: Yeah, so my.

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Tad Eggleston: Know where the spider-man comics are.

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Bryce: Yeah, right? Right? Yeah.

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Bryce: You point me toward that.

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Tad Eggleston: So 3rd volume of my bad just came out in collected form.

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Bryce: Did.

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Tad Eggleston: We had a little bit more, John Adams in this one. Your John Adams is not the vampire, John Adams. It's the. It's the shirtless buff. John Adams.

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Bryce: That is right. Yeah, it was fun.

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Tad Eggleston: And the time traveling one rather than the really really old one.

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Bryce: Right.

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Bryce: He's this. This John Adams is not hundreds of years old. No.

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Tad Eggleston: I think you guys should get together with Rodney Barnes, though, and see if we can have a crossover.

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Bryce: That would that would be cool. It'd be. It would be cool to do more my bad period, because right now my bad is in limbo.

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Bryce: So anybody listen to this who enjoys my bad. Please buy Volume 3, because we need

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Bryce: we need to get get juice sales a little bit so we could do more.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And this is where I'm feeling bad because I'm brain dead. I don't have any good questions to ask you right now. So tell me about. Tell me about the book that I just finished reading, and we'll see if I have questions that pop up as you tell me about.

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Bryce: That's a different.

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Tad Eggleston: Peculiar Island.

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Bryce: Right. The the peculiar islands are a territory of the United States.

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Bryce: you know, kind of like the Virgin Islands, or something like that, except

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Bryce: they have strange like giant mushrooms and and strange other foliage, and weird bugs. And and then beaver faced penguins that run around.

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Tad Eggleston: Like the beer-faced penguins.

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Bryce: Yeah, they're nice.

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Bryce: You can't say anything bad about a beaver faced penguin.

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Bryce: And the the reason that everyone is there is because

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Bryce: the President of the United States has appointed John Adams as the interim governor of this Us. Territory.

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Bryce: That's struggling economically and

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Bryce: That gives Emperor King the sort of star super villain of my bad

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Bryce: something to focus on, which is trying to

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Bryce: spoil John Adams Administration, trying to humiliate him and and get control of the islands himself.

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Bryce: and that's what's going on on my side of the book

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Bryce: on March side of the book.

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Bryce: The the chandelier is broke.

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Tad Eggleston: Decided to beat Joe Rogan.

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Bryce: Decides, he sells his his chandelier persona to the Us. Government to pay his taxes, and becomes a Joe Rogan.

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Tad Eggleston: Cells is the nice way to put it.

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Bryce: He's forced to give up the share.

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Bryce: And as we always try to do with my bad, those 2 disparate storylines crash together at the end.

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Bryce: And it's all.

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Tad Eggleston: Peter Kraus drew the hell out of all of it.

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Bryce: Yes, Peter Krause is so good at

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Bryce: my bad, and he's he's a great artist who can do.

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Tad Eggleston: He's so good at so many things.

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Bryce: He could do anything. I don't mean to.

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Bryce: you know, limit his ability by saying he's only good at like the kind of stuff my bad.

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Tad Eggleston: He can only draw Golden Age type, superhero, remarvel, post, post schuster.

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Bryce: He? He does a wonderful job. He!

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Bryce: He's so good at facial expressions and subtle moments, and it really helps.

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Tad Eggleston: Even on penguin beavers.

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Bryce: Even on penguin beavers. Beer, face penguins. Yeah.

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Bryce: And so, yeah, you know.

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Bryce: roll along. The whole series is just meant to be a good time for people.

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Bryce: There's a little satire thrown in here and there, but that's not the main point, and parody is not the main point, either. The main point is, you know.

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Bryce: having fun with these characters, having some laughs

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Bryce: and and kind of a love letter to

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Bryce: comics of the past, and sort of the innocence of comics of the past, you know, with our.

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Tad Eggleston: Think there's a decent hope helping of social satire going.

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Bryce: There is that we can't help it, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: But it's not the point of the book, you know. The book's not like. Well, here's the satirical theme of this season, you know. That's not that kind of book. It's

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Bryce: it's like, Yeah, there's a there's a smattering of that kind of stuff. And always because the 2 main characters are billionaires, or

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Bryce: I guess the chandelier is more like a multimillionaire that that they.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I feel I feel like he was a billionaire. And then he paid his taxes. But now he might be a billionaire again, because.

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Bryce: Of the Podcast Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: And he he ends up.

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Tad Eggleston: I did like his great things like, you know, drink your own ear. And to there's actually a comic

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Tad Eggleston: about that

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Tad Eggleston: Do you know Emmy Guinness at all.

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Bryce: No.

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Tad Eggleston: She, she will sometimes she does a lot of nonfiction. Comics, and she, like went way down the rabbit hole on on the drinking your own urine as a as a

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Tad Eggleston: the health thing.

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Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And wrote a comic about it, and it's great.

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Bryce: That sounds that sounds that does sound great.

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Bryce: But yeah, so it kind of ends for for the chandelier kind of ends on a cliffhanger.

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Bryce: Mark and I really had planned on doing something else. Next

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Bryce: kind of taking a left turn with the book

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Bryce: based on where Jamington, the chandelier, ends up at the end. We hope we get to do that still, at some point, you know, that we get to do another volume and and kind of, because for the 1st time.

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Bryce: ironically, as we were working on on Volume 3 of my bad, we were like, let's not

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Bryce: wrap everything up. Let's kind of set the stage for what we want to do in the 4th volume, and then, of course, that happens to be the volume where ahoy goes. Well, maybe we'll pause now. So

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Bryce: best laid plans.

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Bryce: But we'd love to. We would love to do more. It's it's super fun.

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Bryce: and we hope that it's fun for the readers, too.

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Tad Eggleston: I enjoy it.

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Tad Eggleston: Everybody I know that's read, it enjoyed, enjoys it. It does suffer from that, that whole

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Tad Eggleston: finding its audience thing, which which is why you're here and why I'm I'm I'm talking about it.

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Bryce: Yeah, I would say, you know, for people that that haven't read it and don't know it. I was recently watching, or I have been watching the current season of what what we do in the shadows, the

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Bryce: shows about vampires who are all roommates, and if you enjoy that show.

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Bryce: you probably enjoy my bad. It's it's a similar kind of character, based wackiness.

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Bryce: With, you know, weird characters hanging out together, having sort of fantastic adventures that aren't that fantastic.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, I think it's pretty good for acid chimp.

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Bryce: Acid chip always has a good time.

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Tad Eggleston: And where does he get.

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Bryce: The acid, you know. I think he might have a superpower that, you know have to be revealed.

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Tad Eggleston: But they just haven't. They just haven't.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Maybe maybe let's not drink acid chimps urine.

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Bryce: It sounds like, you know, old the old like daffy duck bugs, bunny cartoons right.

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Tad Eggleston: We were talking off the air like that's become a challenge. You know our previous conversations have been very worldly conversations and very, very grounded in

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Bryce: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know. I've had that reaction to the last few weeks. Right before the election I went and saw that movie about Saturday night, live.

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Bryce: You know I always loved Harvey Picard's American splendor stuff, but hadn't read the the stuff he did, you know, in the the aughts at DC.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's that's the hardest part is like, I can barely think of my own life without being able to go. Yeah, this is this led to? This led to this led to this, and and I saw some of that writing on the wall when I was in high school, and I was sitting there going. Hey, guys, look at this.

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Bryce: Have a quality, can't have a progress.

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Bryce: For sure.

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Bryce: Harris is 100% clean. You can't argue that.

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Bryce: like the worst, the worst knocks on on Kamala Harris should should make Republicans love her.

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Bryce: yeah, right?

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Tad Eggleston: You know I mean.

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Bryce: No, I know I I lived in California, you know, when she was starting out her political career. I voted for her, but

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Bryce: you know it wasn't without some reservation, because.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: Is more conservative than I am.

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Tad Eggleston: Right? I mean, it's kind of like voting Democratic this year, I mean, I

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Tad Eggleston: I don't think that they're they actually wound up swinging the election.

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Tad Eggleston: But but I got the people who couldn't vote for Democrats because of the unending

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Tad Eggleston: flow of weapons to Israel.

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Bryce: Okay.

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Tad Eggleston: Because, among other things, I think there's a difference between supporting Israel and supporting Israel enacting genocide.

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Bryce: I agree.

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Tad Eggleston: You know I have a lot of trouble with people who can't see the difference between anti-semitism and anti-genocide.

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Bryce: Well, yeah, I mean, I just try to tell people I don't like Israel's government, you know, right? It's not anything other than that. Netanyahu is an evil man.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: That's why. No, no, I don't think I don't think Israel should go away either.

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Bryce: No, no.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't think they should go away. I don't think that it's good that they were attacked by Hamas. I don't think any of those things, but

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Tad Eggleston: but I also don't think that, like

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Tad Eggleston: thousands of children dying under any circumstances, is ever I mean, I

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Tad Eggleston: did. You read Ta-nehisi coates new book.

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Bryce: No, I've seen several interviews where he's talked about it, and I want to read it. I'm familiar.

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Tad Eggleston: Let's.

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Bryce: Sounds, sounds, sounds, brilliant.

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Tad Eggleston: It's brilliant.

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Tad Eggleston: And and I think actually the the you know, the interview got the most attention because of the way he got really attacked, but I actually thought when he figured out that he was being attacked

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Tad Eggleston: on. What was it? The Cbs morning show, whichever one it was

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Tad Eggleston: when he just managed. You can even see him stop and regroup.

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Tad Eggleston: And I heard him talking to somebody else where he's like, yeah, I realized I was in a fight. This wasn't an interview. This wasn't Pr, this was a fight, and I had to and you see him take a deep breath, and he's just like.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I know what apartheid looks like.

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Tad Eggleston: and there's no excuse for apartheid.

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Tad Eggleston: I know what genocide looks like, and there's no excuse for genocide. Don't tell me about it being complicated. Sure it's complicated fixing. It is complicated.

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Tad Eggleston: but that doesn't mean that what's going on right now is right.

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Bryce: Right?

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Bryce: Because dropping bombs is not a solution to a complicated problem.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: Tell me it's complicated, I tell you. Then don't drop bombs to solve it.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, that's not gonna it doesn't. Doesn't make things better.

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Bryce: No, no, he's so right and you know it requires

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Bryce: it. It requires everyone being an honest broker about that idea that it is called right, and not saying that, and then just going well, that means that Netanyahu.

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Tad Eggleston: We should, we should. We should hand, wave everything because it's complicated.

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Tad Eggleston: They know better than us.

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Tad Eggleston: We'll just hand wave.

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Bryce: I will decide who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. And yeah.

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Bryce: I I am. We're getting real political. But I. I left the Democratic party when Obama was President because of his drone policies

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Bryce: and.

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Tad Eggleston: Wasn't a big fan of those, either.

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Bryce: Yeah. And and I have, I've you know. So I've been independent ever since.

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Bryce: And I still vote Democrat in every election, because the alternative is insanity.

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Tad Eggleston: Right. I mean, I've never.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm a Democrat the way I'm a Christian, like I believe, all of their best stuff. But like, if you put me in a room with people who call themselves Democrats. I'm probably going to disagree with more of them than I agree with, because

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Tad Eggleston: the loudest voices are like the ones that don't get it

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Tad Eggleston: or willing to make any. And and you know I'm a pragmatist. I was somebody who

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Tad Eggleston: would have fights about Joe Manchin where it was like, yeah, no, it sucks that Joe Manchin's doing this, but this is what it takes for a Democrat to win in West Virginia, and the option is worse. So the person you negotiate with is Joe Manchin. Whatever it's going to take to get the bill passed. Joe Manchin is what you do, and you live to fight another day.

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Bryce: Yeah, no, it's true. Yeah. And then. And we now see, you know, when you take Joe Manchin out. Well, then, that just Republican and that person will be

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Bryce: 0. There'll be a 0 chance that you can negotiate with that person to do anything good.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Tad Eggleston: and for that matter, you know, I mean don't get me wrong. I the thing that frustrated me the most about

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Tad Eggleston: mansion and cinema was their unwillingness to do anything with the filibuster. But I also think that the fact that we were so loud about that

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Tad Eggleston: means that it wasn't just Manchin and Sinema that there were a lot of Democrats that didn't want to get rid of the filibuster for the same reason, Biden says, which is. Oh, you know. What will they do, you know.

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Bryce: And and tradition. They're all wrapped up in like.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but it's like, in my lifetime

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Tad Eggleston: I have never seen the Republicans actually retaliate for something they've said. They've retaliated.

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Tad Eggleston: but they've just done what they were going to do anyway, and if you don't give them something to retaliate, for.

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Tad Eggleston: they'll still do it.

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Tad Eggleston: Watch how fast the filibuster goes away. If they're having trouble getting their nominees through.

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Bryce: Of course.

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Bryce: Yeah, pretend?

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Tad Eggleston: How fast the filibuster goes away. If they can't get the tax cut they want.

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Bryce: Right right, which is their only true principle. Their only true principle is tax cuts.

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Bryce: So for for the wealthy.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was about to say, not even really tax cuts. Their only true principle is that

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Tad Eggleston: the people who should be in charge

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Tad Eggleston: are the people who have the most money.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: They will try to justify that idea by saying that they're clearly the smartest, because they have the most money.

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Tad Eggleston: and I think what we're what we're really starting to see a lot of trouble with is like the person who made the money was pretty smart. Probably.

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Tad Eggleston: you know, Andrew Carnegie was probably pretty smart. I don't know that his grandkids are.

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Bryce: Oh, for sure, for sure.

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Tad Eggleston: You know, the problem we have right now is is so many of our rich people are dumb as shit.

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Bryce: Oh, hell, yeah, hell, yeah. Because when Daddy starts you out with millions of dollars you don't have to be very smart.

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Tad Eggleston: Never had to work for. You never had to figure out anything. Yeah, you never had to. Problem solve.

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Bryce: No, no.

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Bryce: And you look at, you know, like

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Bryce: it's so much of it. And this is America. This is just Pr, you know, it's like the Pr. Of Elon Musk. The Pr. Of Donald trump makes people think they're smart, but if you actually look at their lives and their actions, they've done stupid things all.

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Tad Eggleston: Listen to them, speak for more than 35 seconds.

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Bryce: Yup! Yup!

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Tad Eggleston: It's so neat that that I actually thought was the most brilliant part of of Kamala's

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Tad Eggleston: campaign strategy when she just started telling people go watch his speeches.

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Bryce: Yeah, she was right.

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Tad Eggleston: They're not covering them very well. So go actually watch them.

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Bryce: No, because I think, but.

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Tad Eggleston: I think I think there started being more honest coverage of his speeches at that point, too.

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Tad Eggleston: when newspapers are like Oh, wait! One candidate's telling you to go find video of his speeches. We better be more careful how we write about them.

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Bryce: It wasn't hard for them. But there, there's a lot of room for them to become more honest in their coverage because the media, the media ship, the bed, this whole cycle.

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Tad Eggleston: It's just disgusting.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I have.

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Tad Eggleston: I have a certain amount of empathy, because

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Tad Eggleston: one of the bedrocks of journalism

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Tad Eggleston: is you're supposed to be telling the story rather than.

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Bryce: Making it.

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Tad Eggleston: Making it.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: where that gets really Fuzzy is like you start getting into unbiased journalism. There's no such thing as unbiased journalism. And good journalists know this because you've shown bias. The second you decide what to write about.

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Bryce: Yup!

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Tad Eggleston: So after that it's am I being fair.

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Tad Eggleston: not? Am I being equal, not am I? And that's that's the problem is, particularly when your bosses tend to be the rich guys.

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Bryce: Exactly.

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Tad Eggleston: When the facts really favor one side.

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Bryce: Right.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean. Really, I think what happened is is

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Tad Eggleston: a portion of the right. Most likely the richest portion of the right saw this flaw in

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Tad Eggleston: the media ecosystem, and it's like, let's see how far we can

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Tad Eggleston: exploit it particularly particularly once, you know, I mean, when Nixon was

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Tad Eggleston: when Nixon resigned. Roger Ailes made it his mission

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Tad Eggleston: to create an environment where that would never happen to a republican again.

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Tad Eggleston: So once they created their own version of the news. It's like, okay, how much can we exploit the weaknesses in?

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Tad Eggleston: And the other side.

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Bryce: Yeah, and then.

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Tad Eggleston: Not even the other side. How much can we exploit the weaknesses in

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Tad Eggleston: what's considered good journalism? Right? We're just going to lie, and we're not going to be ashamed.

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Bryce: And and that moves everything right, that like like

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Bryce: shifts, every everything, including the other media outlets.

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Bryce: And the thing that the thing that's like like there. There were too many examples of

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Bryce: it getting really blatant, and toward the end of the election one of them was

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Bryce: Errol. Morris did a documentary on January 6.th

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: 2021 that you know I haven't seen it, but apparently it's, you know, brutal

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Bryce: and and fact based, you know, account of that horrible day, and that attempted insurrection, and Msnbc.

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Tad Eggleston: I thought you meant that those very nice, loving people, taking a tour of the capital.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: With pitchforks.

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Bryce: Yes, with pitchforks and taking shits everywhere.

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Tad Eggleston: Nooses that the gallows.

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Tad Eggleston: Is it nice.

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Bryce: And setting up the the gallows all such nice.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I mean that right there, right like.

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Bryce: It's it's yes, it doesn't pass the smell test like, yeah, a million different ways. You don't.

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Tad Eggleston: Just grab stuff randomly and set up a gallows that has to be planned.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes, wasn't just a noose hanging over. It was a full gallow setup.

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Bryce: Yeah, yeah, it was like, old.

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Tad Eggleston: That right there nobody should be able to look at that and go.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, this was just people that that got exuberant.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Bryce: And so you know, Msnbc's, you know, millionaire

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Bryce: minders, they're like, Oh, we're not showing this before the election. They're advertising. Oh, you know we're going to show the documentary like November 10.th

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Bryce: Decisions like that are too blatant, you know. It's like.

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Tad Eggleston: Well.

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Bryce: You. We can see behind the curtain what's going on here, or

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Bryce: and I never watched them. But you got those that morning, Joe show.

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Bryce: Well, now, they've already started to switch over to being pro trump like it's it's all.

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Tad Eggleston: That they've gone full on pro trump, but they've at least gone.

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Bryce: Record.

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Tad Eggleston: Talk to him, and we'll listen to him.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Bryce: Well, they were pro-trump before trump was president in 2015. There's all kinds of footage you can watch of Joe being like, oh, trump's a trump's a breath of fresh air. He's going to make politics better for everyone. And then, when it served them to be anti-trump, they were.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Bryce: Trump. And now that's conservative.

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Tad Eggleston: I believe it.

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Bryce: You know, so I'm fed up with all that.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: it's just frustrating for for me, because I also like to know what's going on. And it's getting harder and harder to.

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Bryce: The Guardian. You know, things like that, like Uk based are for me. I'm starting to go. Well, I kind of need to look outside the United States for information.

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Tad Eggleston: And or independent, you know I look more, more and more. Are you not profit not for profit and or

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Tad Eggleston: and or you know there are a handful of

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Tad Eggleston: you know your Spencer Ackerman's, your Jonathan Katz's. You know your your decorated journalists who have chosen to now work outside the system because

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Tad Eggleston: there aren't places that they feel comfortable working inside the system.

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Tad Eggleston: but that requires us to like pay, each one of them. And I do. But that's where we go back to that other off air conversation which is the the new middle classes. I manage to pay all of my bills as long as I don't get a flat tire or

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Tad Eggleston: need a filling or whatnot, and any any extra $200 expenditure means that I'm tight this month.

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Bryce: Yeah, I have to start, yeah, yeah, watching every purchase.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: And going. Well, wait a minute. That's no put that back, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: Right, which store has it on sale.

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Bryce: Yeah, completely.

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Tad Eggleston: We, you know, I mean, I don't think we're quite to to where

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Tad Eggleston: where I was before I got married, when it was just my paycheck where it's like I planned my, my!

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Tad Eggleston: I planned my meals for the week around what protein was on sale.

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Tad Eggleston: It's like, Oh, chicken's really cheap this week. So we're having chicken this week.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Pork chops are really cheap this week. We're having pork chops this week.

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Bryce: Good.

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Bryce: Yeah, that's yeah. Being a single adult in this economy is really hard.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, God, it just! It makes shopping so much harder.

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Bryce: Those.

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Tad Eggleston: Managing to get the right portions to not waste any of it.

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Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

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Bryce: Yup, and then rent. You know all those things. It's.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Bryce: It's not this not set up for people to be single.

586
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Tad Eggleston: I mean, really, it's not set up for for people not to be millionaires, but.

587
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Bryce: There you go!

588
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Tad Eggleston: But yes, definitely not set up to be single.

589
00:45:25.600 --> 00:45:29.099
Tad Eggleston: You know that extra bedroom doesn't cost that much.

590
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Bryce: No, no, that's a lot cheaper than the whole other unit.

591
00:45:33.490 --> 00:45:37.099
Tad Eggleston: It's the rest of the apartment that like, I mean.

592
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:41.460
Tad Eggleston: I envy those people that aren't

593
00:45:42.990 --> 00:45:47.460
Tad Eggleston: those people that either can live with anybody or

594
00:45:47.660 --> 00:45:52.249
Tad Eggleston: or have the the strong, bigger friend group, because, like.

595
00:45:55.350 --> 00:45:59.310
Tad Eggleston: if you had 5 people that you could rent a house with, you'd be fine.

596
00:45:59.310 --> 00:46:02.200
Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

597
00:46:02.420 --> 00:46:10.050
Tad Eggleston: But like I'm amazed that I found one person that like can live with me and not have me drive them up the wall.

598
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Bryce: Yeah.

599
00:46:11.550 --> 00:46:17.999
Tad Eggleston: I'm kind of amazed that I found one person that I can live with and not be driven. Obviously.

600
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Bryce: Yeah.

601
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Tad Eggleston: You know.

602
00:46:22.710 --> 00:46:30.329
Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's that's the the that's the comic book community. We we like our, we like our our solitude.

603
00:46:31.350 --> 00:46:36.349
Tad Eggleston: And to talk to, to, to people, yeah, to

604
00:46:36.350 --> 00:46:39.240
Tad Eggleston: people that we already know are part of our tribe.

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Bryce: Yeah. Yeah.

606
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Bryce: And you know, yeah, you know, the the

607
00:46:46.300 --> 00:46:51.699
Bryce: writing requires a certain amount of solitude, right? Like.

608
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Bryce: And I know that makes it easier for me

609
00:46:55.020 --> 00:47:06.629
Bryce: as a single person. That's 1 thing I don't have to, you know. If I'm home alone I don't have anyone bothering me. There's not going to be any interruptions. If I turn off the phone I can really dive in. But

610
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Bryce: I know other people who are like, where can I go to get that, because I can't get it at home, because I got 5 people at home.

611
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Tad Eggleston: Right.

612
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Tad Eggleston: The challenges of figure. I mean, this is, to a certain extent this is just like the challenges of of living period, and I don't know that it's any different in any time or place in the world, but it's certainly

613
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Tad Eggleston: also harder than it needs to be.

614
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Bryce: Yeah, I mean, I'm old enough now that I know. Like in the nineties, it was so much easier for me to like find like affordable ways to live, that is, you know it just I. I moved to Los Angeles in 1996, and had almost no money, and was able to find

615
00:47:51.980 --> 00:47:55.650
Bryce: ways to, you know, find find affordable housing to find

616
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Bryce: jobs that I could support my temporary jobs I could support myself with

617
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Bryce: for a a person in their twenties now trying to do something like that.

618
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Bryce: No chance. Show up in La, you know, when you're 25 and okay, we'll give it a shot.

620
00:48:13.620 --> 00:48:14.320
Bryce: It's it's in.

621
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Tad Eggleston: All right.

622
00:48:14.740 --> 00:48:18.030
Bryce: End up on the streets, or running away from La.

623
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Tad Eggleston: Right.

624
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Bryce: Or wherever.

625
00:48:19.700 --> 00:48:25.450
Tad Eggleston: No. And at this point I also know enough people in Europe to know that, like little things like

626
00:48:25.770 --> 00:48:30.529
Tad Eggleston: paid college and and paid health care

627
00:48:30.630 --> 00:48:33.749
Tad Eggleston: like, make all of that stuff infinitely easier.

628
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Bryce: Yeah, well, I I've been thinking, you know, now, like, what happens if education starts to kind of.

629
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Tad Eggleston: Call it.

630
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Bryce: Part, because that's so much of my safety net for my healthcare and stuff like that, you know, like.

631
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Bryce: I I'm not.

632
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Tad Eggleston: Well, particularly because we're both special. Ed.

633
00:48:49.990 --> 00:48:50.850
Bryce: Yeah, which?

634
00:48:50.850 --> 00:49:00.660
Tad Eggleston: Which means that that, like the significant chunk of our funding, is actually coming from the Department of Education

635
00:49:01.350 --> 00:49:14.769
Tad Eggleston: and the oversight to make certain that schools are actually offering the things that we do rather than going too hard is coming from the Department of Education.

636
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Tad Eggleston: And now, at best, we have Linda Mcmahon at the head of the Department of Education.

637
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. But you know they've talked

638
00:49:23.890 --> 00:49:31.319
Tad Eggleston: about how they want to get rid of the Department of education. So the question is, which is better, Linda Mcmahon or no.

639
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.980
Bryce: I decided, for now it's better with Linda Mcmahon. But I have wondered that question as well

640
00:49:37.618 --> 00:49:45.329
Bryce: just because of what you're saying, because at least maybe the wheels will keep turning with the money and stuff for things like special education

641
00:49:45.732 --> 00:49:49.600
Bryce: and and and rather than it just all, going away at once.

642
00:49:50.300 --> 00:49:54.439
Tad Eggleston: This is what I will say, and something that I've been thinking about way too much.

643
00:49:55.140 --> 00:49:59.009
Tad Eggleston: There's universal healthcare in Mexico, and

644
00:49:59.300 --> 00:50:03.491
Tad Eggleston: and a a female Jewish

645
00:50:04.770 --> 00:50:12.280
Tad Eggleston: Phd, in climate science President. So I mean, maybe maybe it's time to immigrate.

646
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Bryce: I've heard people talk about that.

647
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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

648
00:50:15.990 --> 00:50:17.564
Tad Eggleston: You're not the first, st I should say.

649
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Tad Eggleston: I'm certain that I'm not the first.st

650
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Bryce: So I've I've people in my circle have talked about Mexico. I'm like I don't know.

651
00:50:24.810 --> 00:50:27.450
Bryce: I should have paid more attention in high school, Spanish.

652
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Tad Eggleston: Which is which is why you make yourself a little community where where there's enough people that really know Spanish

653
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Tad Eggleston: to help you out

654
00:50:36.470 --> 00:50:55.059
Tad Eggleston: in that community, so that you have enough people who know English while you're learning enough Spanish and thankfully, because, you know, we're we're the 2 countries in the world that are most bastards about not learning other people's languages, forcing them to learn their

655
00:50:55.600 --> 00:51:05.149
Tad Eggleston: are both English, speaking because it's the Uk. And us. Yeah, I mean, most people in Mexico probably already know Spanish, or probably already know English. Yeah.

656
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Bryce: Yeah, this is true.

657
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Tad Eggleston: No

658
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Bryce: Not be as hard as we think.

659
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Bryce: One of the people who who has expressed this thought about Mexico is Mark Russell, my

660
00:51:18.010 --> 00:51:26.799
Bryce: co-writer, on my bad and my buddy. So yeah, I've I've I have heard people talk about this very thing. And he, Mark, was talking about the expat community there and stuff and.

661
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I mean, do you know Santo sisters?

662
00:51:34.150 --> 00:51:35.181
Bryce: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

663
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:36.839
Tad Eggleston: Fake lives down there.

664
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Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

665
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.490
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Fake. Lives down there.

666
00:51:39.490 --> 00:51:40.220
Bryce: Okay.

667
00:51:41.730 --> 00:51:46.370
Tad Eggleston: And I think has at least one rental property, so maybe we should just all rent his.

668
00:51:47.673 --> 00:51:49.059
Bryce: Oh, God!

669
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Bryce: Community can move to Mexico!

670
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Tad Eggleston: The Santos sisters will save us all like it.

671
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Bryce: Like, yeah.

672
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Tad Eggleston: I just turned in my column for the next American nature presents. So I know those guys so I can reach out.

673
00:52:08.120 --> 00:52:16.919
Tad Eggleston: hey? So how many people could you arrange housing for if it came to that.

674
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Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

675
00:52:19.300 --> 00:52:23.650
Tad Eggleston: We can all teach English and talk about comics.

676
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Bryce: Totally.

677
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Bryce: And we can work with special Ed kids.

678
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, no, no. We got some special Ed teachers, some art teachers. I'm certain we can figure out other things to do if necessary, not a lot of money to bring with us, because, you know.

679
00:52:43.180 --> 00:52:46.119
Tad Eggleston: we made those crazy decisions to.

680
00:52:46.310 --> 00:52:55.740
Tad Eggleston: to either make things or help people with our lives, and apparently, though those aren't the valuable things.

681
00:52:55.740 --> 00:53:05.480
Bryce: No, no! Well, the things people make are valuable, but only when someone else could steal them and make money off of your work without doing any work themselves.

682
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Bryce: Then we're.

683
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Tad Eggleston: Right.

684
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Bryce: Valuable.

685
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:12.049
Tad Eggleston: Right well and helping people is very valuable

686
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:16.509
Tad Eggleston: to the person who connects you with the

687
00:53:16.520 --> 00:53:20.010
Tad Eggleston: insurance company that pays for you to help.

688
00:53:20.010 --> 00:53:21.520
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. People full.

689
00:53:22.520 --> 00:53:28.230
Bryce: or the people that want you to to volunteer to help someone. So that society doesn't have to pay to help.

690
00:53:28.230 --> 00:53:31.899
Bryce: yeah, yeah, yeah, that that was a big bush era thing.

691
00:53:31.900 --> 00:53:32.340
Bryce: Yeah.

692
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Tad Eggleston: Let let's push for more volunteerism.

693
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Bryce: Well, I believe that wonderful Elon Musk is asking for people in his the super. G.

694
00:53:43.730 --> 00:53:46.700
Tad Eggleston: Geniuses to volunteer 80 HA week.

695
00:53:46.700 --> 00:53:47.290
Bryce: For no money.

696
00:53:47.290 --> 00:53:50.889
Tad Eggleston: Only super geniuses need a block.

697
00:53:50.890 --> 00:53:56.759
Bryce: Now the question is, are you technically a super genius? If you're willing to work 80 HA week for nothing.

698
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:03.269
Tad Eggleston: If you're if you think that Elon Musk would make a good boss and be worth

699
00:54:03.870 --> 00:54:09.050
Tad Eggleston: applying to a job with with Vivek Ramaswami.

700
00:54:09.050 --> 00:54:09.600
Bryce: Yes.

701
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Tad Eggleston: Co-boss. I think that right there excludes the possibility that you're a super genius.

702
00:54:17.003 --> 00:54:21.160
Bryce: Yes, it's like you know, you know you're a redneck.

703
00:54:21.160 --> 00:54:28.060
Tad Eggleston: Oh, oh! And above them, above them is the guy who's literally known for saying you're fired.

704
00:54:28.210 --> 00:54:29.300
Bryce: Yeah, right.

705
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.550
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I I don't apply for that job.

706
00:54:33.550 --> 00:54:36.560
Bryce: Yeah. So I don't know what kind of super geniuses they're gonna find.

707
00:54:38.066 --> 00:54:39.220
Tad Eggleston: I mean.

708
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:45.150
Bryce: Guys who listen to Joe Rogan, who've decided themselves. They're super geniuses.

709
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Tad Eggleston: I'm thinking, I'm thinking, that that really, clearly

710
00:54:54.100 --> 00:55:02.669
Tad Eggleston: the smartest guy in the world has got to be Mike Judge, because I mean he wrote this all into idiocracy.

711
00:55:03.120 --> 00:55:06.669
Bryce: What? 30 years? Yeah, 30 years ago?

712
00:55:06.670 --> 00:55:09.850
Bryce: Yeah, yeah, no, it's so true.

713
00:55:09.850 --> 00:55:20.229
Tad Eggleston: I don't think quite that long, maybe only 25. When did idiocracy come out? 2,006 0, only 18 years ago?

714
00:55:20.230 --> 00:55:24.910
Bryce: Oh, 18 years old. There you go! It seems like longer. My my father, who's 80,

715
00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:32.460
Bryce: wrote me email the morning after the election, where he said, well, now, we're an idiocracy, you know. So it's.

716
00:55:32.950 --> 00:55:34.919
Tad Eggleston: Yep, people people get it.

717
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.759
Tad Eggleston: Our students were born after idiocracy.

718
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.600
Bryce: Yeah, you're right. Yeah, so true.

719
00:55:41.900 --> 00:55:42.770
Bryce: So true.

720
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Tad Eggleston: And yeah, no, it has become way, too real.

721
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Bryce: And I.

722
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Tad Eggleston: I think that under the like, everybody talks about how dumb everybody is in idiocracy.

723
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Tad Eggleston: What what I think is overlooked

724
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Tad Eggleston: in terms of exactly how bad things had gotten.

725
00:56:03.670 --> 00:56:12.850
Tad Eggleston: Is that Owen Wilson's character, or I'm sorry Luke Wilson.

726
00:56:13.134 --> 00:56:13.989
Bryce: Yeah, I was.

727
00:56:13.990 --> 00:56:17.429
Tad Eggleston: Wilson's character isn't actually that smart.

728
00:56:21.780 --> 00:56:26.670
Tad Eggleston: He's just like at best an average show and a lazy one at that.

729
00:56:27.340 --> 00:56:34.379
Bryce: Yes, yes, no, he's he's he's he's old, average guy.

730
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:36.690
Bryce: But old average guy, it's like.

731
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Tad Eggleston: If if he hadn't been frozen he would have been

732
00:56:42.220 --> 00:56:47.959
Tad Eggleston: probably in the the group of ones that were making too many babies.

733
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Bryce: Yes, yes, at the beginning. Yes.

734
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Tad Eggleston: Right. He's not the super genius for.

735
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Bryce: Oh!

736
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

737
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Bryce: No hold, no, so it is. It's wonderful.

738
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Tad Eggleston: You know he's not. He wasn't on Big Bang theory, and and then then came to idiocracy.

739
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:09.490
Bryce: Right.

740
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.790
Tad Eggleston: He's like one of Penny's other boyfriends on.

741
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Bryce: Be.

742
00:57:14.390 --> 00:57:16.325
Tad Eggleston: The pack theory.

743
00:57:16.970 --> 00:57:18.640
Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

744
00:57:19.100 --> 00:57:20.290
Tad Eggleston: I mean.

745
00:57:20.290 --> 00:57:21.559
Bryce: He's a dude.

746
00:57:21.850 --> 00:57:22.720
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

747
00:57:23.050 --> 00:57:23.680
Bryce: Yeah.

748
00:57:24.680 --> 00:57:26.620
Tad Eggleston: And and but like.

749
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Bryce: It's it's a perfect device. Because then he.

750
00:57:29.330 --> 00:57:32.440
Bryce: as we see the this other world through him, you know he's

751
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:36.479
Bryce: he's not that special, but he's so appalled, you know, that you know.

752
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:36.970
Tad Eggleston: Right.

753
00:57:36.970 --> 00:57:37.820
Bryce: More powerful.

754
00:57:38.410 --> 00:57:43.610
Tad Eggleston: Right, but I think it also allowed for more people to to

755
00:57:44.580 --> 00:57:47.410
Tad Eggleston: think that it was complete and utter.

756
00:57:47.640 --> 00:57:51.350
Tad Eggleston: Science fiction without basis. In reality.

757
00:57:51.570 --> 00:57:57.309
Bryce: Oh, yeah, when that movie came out, the reaction to it wasn't what the the consensus of it is now.

758
00:57:57.590 --> 00:57:58.040
Tad Eggleston: Right.

759
00:57:58.040 --> 00:58:10.079
Bryce: It wasn't a big hit. I went, saw it with friends, and my friends were kind of like mediocre on it. They're like it was an office space, you know. I was like, oh, that was better than office space

760
00:58:10.380 --> 00:58:13.440
Bryce: and office space is good for similar reasons.

761
00:58:14.270 --> 00:58:26.920
Tad Eggleston: But but oh or no is that I did not realize that?

762
00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:35.620
Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, that's a different Cohen Etan, not Ethan.

763
00:58:35.620 --> 00:58:39.820
Bryce: Oh, yes, that's the one that tricked Bill Murray into doing the Garfield movie.

764
00:58:40.550 --> 00:58:41.550
Tad Eggleston: Is he?

765
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:49.919
Bryce: That Bill Murray saw that name attached to the animated Garfield he had years ago, and thought it was Ethan Cohen, and signed.

766
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Tad Eggleston: Gotcha.

767
00:58:50.290 --> 00:58:55.919
Bryce: Signed and signed on the dotted line, and then, when he got there, found out, no, this is not that, Cohen.

768
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:56.680
Tad Eggleston: Different. Guy.

769
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Bryce: Yeah, this.

770
00:58:57.080 --> 00:58:59.160
Tad Eggleston: I was about to. I was about to say so.

771
00:58:59.870 --> 00:59:01.769
Tad Eggleston: So co-writer was.

772
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:06.380
Tad Eggleston: I mean he. He has been involved in some decent stuff.

773
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.570
Tad Eggleston: The homes in Watson fell flat to me.

774
00:59:09.570 --> 00:59:12.560
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, I don't even know that I finished that one. That was

775
00:59:12.560 --> 00:59:17.010
Tad Eggleston: yeah. It. I had hopes for it, me, too.

776
00:59:17.120 --> 00:59:19.139
Tad Eggleston: but it fell really flat. Yeah.

777
00:59:19.140 --> 00:59:19.810
Bryce: And after.

778
00:59:19.810 --> 00:59:24.450
Tad Eggleston: Though men in Black 3, he wrote men in Black 3, and I thought that that was

779
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:32.810
Tad Eggleston: was that was significantly better than I expected it to be. So yeah, he's got.

780
00:59:32.810 --> 00:59:38.269
Bryce: You can't. You can't have a reuniting of the the guys from step brothers

781
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Bryce: in a movie as mediocre as that. Holmes and Watson.

782
00:59:41.810 --> 00:59:46.249
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I was. Well, and I'm a big Sherlock Holmes fan, too. So like.

783
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Bryce: There's a lot there to play with right.

784
00:59:48.580 --> 00:59:51.170
Tad Eggleston: Right. And and you know.

785
00:59:52.790 --> 00:59:58.190
Tad Eggleston: you know, and it's not even like there. Haven't. Have you ever seen the 7 7% solution.

786
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Bryce: No.

787
00:59:59.550 --> 01:00:07.320
Tad Eggleston: It was made into a comic, too. Essentially, it like 7% solution.

788
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:19.130
Tad Eggleston: is is a play on, you know, Holmes's cocaine habit because he uses 7% solution of but but

789
01:00:20.940 --> 01:00:31.470
Tad Eggleston: where it actually goes is is the idea that that Holmes is very much. The

790
01:00:38.720 --> 01:00:41.769
Tad Eggleston: Watson is, is the the mind behind it?

791
01:00:42.180 --> 01:00:45.969
Bryce: Oh, okay, he's just the front man.

792
01:00:45.970 --> 01:00:46.870
Tad Eggleston: Right.

793
01:00:51.080 --> 01:00:55.610
Tad Eggleston: And this has him going to see. Has him going to see Sigmund Freud.

794
01:00:55.980 --> 01:00:58.460
Tad Eggleston: There's that one. No hold on.

795
01:00:58.460 --> 01:01:02.159
Bryce: Oh, that's that's what the story's about him going to get analysis from Freud.

796
01:01:02.160 --> 01:01:05.369
Tad Eggleston: Right to to work on the cocaine.

797
01:01:05.470 --> 01:01:07.420
Bryce: Induced delusions.

798
01:01:10.890 --> 01:01:13.620
Tad Eggleston: Trying to remember, though, if that's the one that I was.

799
01:01:14.170 --> 01:01:20.109
Tad Eggleston: I feel like there. There was one other great Sherlock Holmes comedy movie

800
01:01:22.210 --> 01:01:24.720
Tad Eggleston: as as we just go all over the place.

801
01:01:24.720 --> 01:01:28.240
Bryce: There's there's a there's an there's 1 from the seventies I know that's revered.

802
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:31.699
Bryce: Can't think of what it's.

803
01:01:31.700 --> 01:01:35.070
Tad Eggleston: I mean, the 7% solution was

804
01:01:40.940 --> 01:01:45.299
Bryce: There's 1 with like gay overtones. I think that was done in the seventies about homes and walks.

805
01:01:45.300 --> 01:01:46.350
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

806
01:01:46.350 --> 01:01:47.850
Bryce: That that people love.

807
01:01:48.250 --> 01:01:52.129
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. 7% solution was, Robert Duvall is Dr. Watson.

808
01:01:52.130 --> 01:01:52.910
Bryce: Oh, wow!

809
01:01:53.180 --> 01:01:54.110
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

810
01:01:55.520 --> 01:01:58.800
Tad Eggleston: So it was. It was 76.

811
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:00.040
Bryce: Okay. All right.

812
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:01.389
Bryce: Not what I was.

813
01:02:01.390 --> 01:02:04.869
Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, I think the other one that I was thinking of.

814
01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:07.509
Tad Eggleston: and this is from the 80 s. Without a clue.

815
01:02:08.080 --> 01:02:08.750
Bryce: Oh, okay.

816
01:02:09.442 --> 01:02:10.827
Tad Eggleston: Is is

817
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:21.140
Tad Eggleston: It's Michael Caine as Sherlock Holmes and Ben Kingsley as as Watson.

818
01:02:21.140 --> 01:02:24.910
Bryce: Never seen it. But I know I've I remember that from video stores, seeing it in video.

819
01:02:24.910 --> 01:02:27.759
Tad Eggleston: Right, and I'm pretty certain that that's the one

820
01:02:27.970 --> 01:02:32.390
Tad Eggleston: where yeah drunken Sherlock Holmes is really just a cover for the real detective.

821
01:02:32.570 --> 01:02:36.430
Tad Eggleston: Dr. Watson, is what we're without a clue. Is that one.

822
01:02:36.430 --> 01:02:36.840
Bryce: Oh, okay.

823
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:38.859
Tad Eggleston: Was hilariously funny.

824
01:02:40.230 --> 01:02:46.669
Tad Eggleston: That was a late good period for just really funny

825
01:02:47.450 --> 01:02:53.639
Tad Eggleston: mystery movies, because that was the era of of murder by death and clue and.

826
01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:54.410
Bryce: Yeah.

827
01:02:56.090 --> 01:02:58.770
Tad Eggleston: We don't have enough good comedy mysteries anymore.

828
01:02:59.690 --> 01:03:00.160
Bryce: It's just.

829
01:03:00.830 --> 01:03:03.210
Tad Eggleston: We don't have enough good non superhero movies.

830
01:03:03.210 --> 01:03:04.559
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Good team.

831
01:03:04.560 --> 01:03:05.039
Tad Eggleston: Do you know.

832
01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:09.119
Bryce: There. Maybe they're out there on TV somewhere, but they're certainly not in the theaters.

833
01:03:09.630 --> 01:03:10.590
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

834
01:03:11.160 --> 01:03:11.680
Bryce: Hard.

835
01:03:11.680 --> 01:03:15.390
Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, we're definitely I mean, this goes back to the whole

836
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:21.659
Tad Eggleston: People born into wealth just aren't as

837
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:31.409
Tad Eggleston: smart as we make them out to be, because they never had to. I feel like we're in an era where, when it comes to the arts.

838
01:03:31.970 --> 01:03:39.139
Tad Eggleston: they would way rather spend a hundred 1 million dollars trying to get a billion dollars

839
01:03:39.230 --> 01:03:44.219
Tad Eggleston: than 10 million dollars in hopes of getting 50 million dollars.

840
01:03:44.490 --> 01:03:47.020
Bryce: Yeah, right? That's.

841
01:03:47.020 --> 01:03:52.540
Tad Eggleston: You know, getting a little bit of money is way harder than getting a lot of money.

842
01:03:52.540 --> 01:03:53.470
Tad Eggleston: Yes, when come.

843
01:03:53.470 --> 01:03:55.310
Bryce: They're trying to. They're trying to hit.

844
01:03:55.310 --> 01:03:56.470
Tad Eggleston: Endeavors.

845
01:03:57.713 --> 01:04:04.770
Bryce: Yeah, you should be happy, you know, like, if you make a movie that you make for a million dollars and it makes 10 million. You should be thrilled.

846
01:04:05.740 --> 01:04:07.160
Bryce: but I mean probably.

847
01:04:07.160 --> 01:04:13.680
Tad Eggleston: It will, is as somebody who loves comics. This really frustrates me because I feel like one billionaire

848
01:04:13.720 --> 01:04:23.729
Tad Eggleston: who loved comics enough to just devote himself to making comics and worrying less about less about the IP

849
01:04:23.930 --> 01:04:29.859
Tad Eggleston: and less about profiting as much as making it a viable industry

850
01:04:31.530 --> 01:04:34.210
Tad Eggleston: could completely disrupt the it just doesn't.

851
01:04:34.950 --> 01:04:39.530
Bryce: No, it doesn't take, because the industry compared to other industries is small.

852
01:04:39.570 --> 01:04:41.429
Bryce: So that kind of influence.

853
01:04:41.430 --> 01:04:43.560
Tad Eggleston: Well, but beyond that, it just I mean

854
01:04:45.470 --> 01:04:58.339
Tad Eggleston: good comic stories, I mean, particularly when you get into graphic novels and whatnot. It's it's not about what you can sell right now. You can have them in print or digitally in print forever.

855
01:04:58.340 --> 01:05:03.190
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, know. So paying a good page rate and just going. We

856
01:05:03.550 --> 01:05:07.730
Tad Eggleston: want to make the money back in X amount of time.

857
01:05:07.730 --> 01:05:10.460
Bryce: Yeah. In the next 5 years. 10 years. Yeah, you're right.

858
01:05:10.460 --> 01:05:15.769
Tad Eggleston: Right if it breaks even in 5 years. Then then then we did. Well.

859
01:05:15.830 --> 01:05:30.080
Tad Eggleston: you know, and we'll do more work with you. I mean this. This used to be the Miramax philosophy was, you make a movie and you break even by the end of the 1st year of DVD sales. Then we're likely to give you that budget again.

860
01:05:30.080 --> 01:05:36.539
Bryce: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And every once in a while you get a pulp fiction that makes some real money.

861
01:05:36.890 --> 01:05:37.720
Bryce: So and.

862
01:05:37.720 --> 01:05:40.690
Tad Eggleston: Then the next time you get an even bigger budget.

863
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:42.040
Bryce: Yeah, right.

864
01:05:42.810 --> 01:05:43.270
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

865
01:05:43.270 --> 01:05:43.610
Bryce: Yeah.

866
01:05:43.610 --> 01:05:47.769
Tad Eggleston: But if you don't lose us money we'll keep trying.

867
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.329
Bryce: Yeah, no, it's it's a good model.

868
01:05:50.740 --> 01:05:54.870
Bryce: And you know there's they're huge, but.

869
01:05:54.870 --> 01:05:57.800
Tad Eggleston: When I look at the page rates that so many people get.

870
01:05:57.830 --> 01:06:03.630
Tad Eggleston: you know we could make it so. Our artists were actually working artists rather than starving artists.

871
01:06:03.630 --> 01:06:03.970
Bryce: For sure.

872
01:06:03.970 --> 01:06:11.329
Tad Eggleston: And still and still make it so that, like it only took $20,000 to break even on a comic.

873
01:06:11.550 --> 01:06:12.080
Bryce: Yep.

874
01:06:12.590 --> 01:06:22.490
Bryce: no, you're right, that if if someone, if a billionaire were willing to say, Okay, I'm going to devote, you know, a hundred 1 million dollars to this company it would be

875
01:06:22.630 --> 01:06:23.620
Bryce: a huge success.

876
01:06:23.620 --> 01:06:28.630
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you would. You would complete. You would completely upend the industry instantaneously.

877
01:06:28.630 --> 01:06:29.000
Bryce: Yes.

878
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:31.860
Tad Eggleston: Just, but just by doubling page rates.

879
01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:35.140
Bryce: Yep, don't be page rates, and you could. You could do.

880
01:06:35.140 --> 01:06:35.890
Tad Eggleston: Health, care.

881
01:06:36.610 --> 01:06:42.260
Bryce: You could make every number one a buck. You could do all kinds of things to drive sales and drive readers.

882
01:06:42.260 --> 01:06:50.869
Tad Eggleston: Actually one of the times when Mark was on. He had a great idea for a comic shop that in some ways, I think, is equally good idea

883
01:06:51.120 --> 01:06:52.640
Tad Eggleston: for a publisher.

884
01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:54.739
Tad Eggleston: He said, that if he

885
01:06:55.040 --> 01:07:02.960
Tad Eggleston: owned a comic shop, what he might do is, with the exceptions of some of the legacy titles, your batman, your spider-man, whatnot.

886
01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:03.510
Bryce: Yep.

887
01:07:03.510 --> 01:07:06.469
Tad Eggleston: He would way over order on issue one.

888
01:07:06.550 --> 01:07:10.860
Tad Eggleston: because that's the only one that's ever worth any money, anyway.

889
01:07:13.080 --> 01:07:15.869
Tad Eggleston: And because if you've got that you can. Still.

890
01:07:16.020 --> 01:07:18.300
Tad Eggleston: you can rope people in still.

891
01:07:20.550 --> 01:07:25.450
Tad Eggleston: and then he wouldn't order anything after that until the trades, except for.

892
01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:30.920
Bryce: The legacy, titles.

893
01:07:31.460 --> 01:07:34.120
Tad Eggleston: Well, or subscribe subscriptions.

894
01:07:34.120 --> 01:07:35.817
Bryce: Oh, yeah. Somebody asked for it. Yeah,

895
01:07:36.550 --> 01:07:42.990
Tad Eggleston: You know. Somebody asked for it, I think, as a publisher. That's not a bad strategy either, like

896
01:07:43.110 --> 01:07:45.839
Tad Eggleston: Flood the place with cheap number ones.

897
01:07:46.830 --> 01:07:49.800
Tad Eggleston: and either don't produce 2 through 5,

898
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:58.580
Tad Eggleston: yeah, or do absolute minimal print runs or or print on demand or whatever. And then put out the graphic novel.

899
01:07:58.770 --> 01:08:03.700
Tad Eggleston: So it's like, here's your dollar taste, and if you like it, go spend 20 bucks.

900
01:08:04.120 --> 01:08:04.690
Bryce: Yeah.

901
01:08:08.182 --> 01:08:16.859
Bryce: you know, I I can't get into too many details, but we're ahoy, and I are gonna try to do a little bit different model with this robot dog stuff. So we'll see.

902
01:08:16.970 --> 01:08:20.339
Bryce: Yeah, ahoy is definitely trying to look for other models.

903
01:08:20.870 --> 01:08:21.460
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

904
01:08:21.620 --> 01:08:24.229
Tad Eggleston: And and you know, I mean.

905
01:08:25.010 --> 01:08:29.229
Tad Eggleston: the readers are out there. I mean, I feel bad.

906
01:08:30.410 --> 01:08:38.300
Tad Eggleston: I forget who I was talking, or I was the last I was talking. The my last interview was the guy named

907
01:08:39.420 --> 01:08:46.310
Tad Eggleston: Britt Payne, who's actually a Vp legal at one of the bigger studios.

908
01:08:46.310 --> 01:08:46.630
Bryce: Okay.

909
01:08:46.630 --> 01:08:48.640
Tad Eggleston: Maybe even President legal at one of the

910
01:08:48.740 --> 01:09:06.290
Tad Eggleston: bigger studios. But he's a comics geek, and and has an autistic son. So he's like now has, like one of his personal crusade, is getting more autism representation in comics and media in general. So at work he he pushes it

911
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:28.132
Tad Eggleston: at work, and then he uses uses his business card to be able to do panels. You know. I met him because he had an autism and comics panel at C. 2 E. 2, you know, because he's got the the big enough title that you know. When that is on the card. He's more likely to get the panel. You know, he got to do New York comic con a panel this year. That sort of thing.

912
01:09:29.470 --> 01:09:34.990
Tad Eggleston: But we're actually we're gonna we're reading for next week. Wanna

913
01:09:37.290 --> 01:09:55.429
Tad Eggleston: DC's Ya. Titles. And I commented that even DC. Doesn't talk about it a lot. But these are their best selling titles. Oh, yes, the reason they don't talk about it a lot, is it? Pisses off the comic stores because comic stores are like, Oh, I need single issues. Blah blah, I need more stuff for. And it's like, Yeah, yeah.

914
01:09:55.500 --> 01:09:57.349
Tad Eggleston: we're giving you all

915
01:09:57.410 --> 01:10:03.899
Tad Eggleston: that we can give you for your audience. You either need to find a way to expand the audience that comes into your shop.

916
01:10:04.200 --> 01:10:04.980
Bryce: Hmm.

917
01:10:06.320 --> 01:10:12.799
Tad Eggleston: And some stores have been very successful at that, or you need to understand that this is

918
01:10:13.130 --> 01:10:24.909
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I feel I feel bad, because, you know, when you, when you've got a relatively successful business model, like a lot of comic shops have felt like they had, and the industry shifts

919
01:10:25.430 --> 01:10:28.620
Tad Eggleston: as the comics industry always does.

920
01:10:28.620 --> 01:10:29.140
Bryce: Yep.

921
01:10:29.970 --> 01:10:33.750
Tad Eggleston: You know, but I care more about

922
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:37.200
Tad Eggleston: the writers and artists being able to make money.

923
01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:38.740
Bryce: And and.

924
01:10:40.820 --> 01:10:48.680
Tad Eggleston: Because I feel like if the writers and artists are making enough money that they can continue to make good content, then

925
01:10:50.210 --> 01:10:55.300
Tad Eggleston: the stores will find a way to survive, because they'll have.

926
01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:57.410
Bryce: Something.

927
01:10:57.410 --> 01:10:58.220
Tad Eggleston: I mean.

928
01:10:58.220 --> 01:10:58.989
Bryce: Well, something good.

929
01:10:59.180 --> 01:11:20.699
Tad Eggleston: Not every single store, but but it'll be a situation where 1 1 dies another. One pops up that sort of thing, you know, to a certain extent, is the same argument that I used to make any. But anytime somebody would argue, oh, if you tax the rich too much, they won't want to make more money. It's like, Okay, somebody else will step into the gap. Yeah.

930
01:11:21.620 --> 01:11:22.220
Tad Eggleston: So true.

931
01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:27.440
Bryce: Yeah. And and I don't think that you'll

932
01:11:27.440 --> 01:11:33.060
Bryce: shops just like in any business or any field. There are comic book shops that deserve to fail because they are.

933
01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:33.600
Tad Eggleston: Right.

934
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:38.790
Bryce: Unimaginative and just ordering the DC. Marvel every month, and.

935
01:11:38.790 --> 01:11:46.899
Tad Eggleston: Or gatekeep too much, or you know, I mean, if you make yourself into a store where only old white men feel comfortable.

936
01:11:46.900 --> 01:11:47.490
Bryce: Exactly.

937
01:11:47.780 --> 01:11:54.689
Tad Eggleston: Then it's your problem when the old white men don't buy enough comics to make it worth people making comics for them.

938
01:11:54.690 --> 01:11:59.760
Bryce: You had a restaurant that only was serving old white men. It might not do well either, so.

939
01:11:59.990 --> 01:12:01.750
Tad Eggleston: Right? Right?

940
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:05.223
Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no. I

941
01:12:07.150 --> 01:12:09.370
Tad Eggleston: So like the market is out there.

942
01:12:09.440 --> 01:12:11.929
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I mean, did you see.

943
01:12:12.230 --> 01:12:21.890
Tad Eggleston: they just announced the, and this is actually lower than her last book. So Scott Mcleod. The industry is expecting Scott Mcleod to pull her down.

944
01:12:22.770 --> 01:12:29.510
Tad Eggleston: Rayna Salgameier's next book is is being done with Scott Mcleod. It's it's and so there, that's good.

945
01:12:29.510 --> 01:12:31.330
Bryce: She's drawing it, and she's writing it.

946
01:12:33.670 --> 01:12:34.199
Bryce: Oh, they're right.

947
01:12:34.200 --> 01:12:37.718
Tad Eggleston: Get exactly how, how, how cause? I think it's actually

948
01:12:38.810 --> 01:12:41.109
Tad Eggleston: a kind of making comics type thing.

949
01:12:41.110 --> 01:12:44.730
Bryce: Oh, okay, per! Her version of of his making calls.

950
01:12:44.730 --> 01:12:54.330
Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, no, I mean they're doing something new together. It's the Cartoonist Club is what it's called one of a kind, graphic novel

951
01:12:54.450 --> 01:12:59.560
Tad Eggleston: from both of them, so I don't know. I mean, the cover is definitely her art.

952
01:13:02.050 --> 01:13:02.920
Bryce: That's cool.

953
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:05.799
Tad Eggleston: I'm guessing that you have art

954
01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:08.829
Tad Eggleston: and and writing from both of them that like

955
01:13:09.040 --> 01:13:15.459
Tad Eggleston: it's a collaboration. But but it's only got a 900,000 initial print run.

956
01:13:17.257 --> 01:13:19.480
Bryce: And usually she gets what of 2 million.

957
01:13:19.480 --> 01:13:22.660
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Guts had a 1.2 5 million initial print run.

958
01:13:22.660 --> 01:13:23.100
Bryce: Wow!

959
01:13:23.100 --> 01:13:27.350
Tad Eggleston: So apparently they're worried that Scott Mcleod will make it less.

960
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:34.480
Tad Eggleston: I mean, what do you want to bet within? I mean, guts has already had, I think, 8 printings.

961
01:13:34.480 --> 01:13:35.730
Bryce: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

962
01:13:35.730 --> 01:13:41.389
Tad Eggleston: Think all of them are that big, but I also would be willing to bet that none of them are less than 50,000.

963
01:13:41.390 --> 01:13:43.500
Bryce: Right oh, for sure!

964
01:13:44.010 --> 01:13:44.460
Tad Eggleston: Right.

965
01:13:44.460 --> 01:13:44.780
Bryce: Sure.

966
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:50.180
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, so so the problem is not finding people to to read comments.

967
01:13:50.180 --> 01:13:52.540
Bryce: No, no, not at all.

968
01:13:53.990 --> 01:14:04.040
Tad Eggleston: You know, and if if the problem is not finding people to read comics, then the problem is also not actually managing to find the money to make the comics

969
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:06.170
Tad Eggleston: viable.

970
01:14:06.170 --> 01:14:06.740
Bryce: Yeah.

971
01:14:08.346 --> 01:14:18.449
Tad Eggleston: I hear some arguments about oh, but you got to write to the market. No, so many people read more read comics. I think every comic has at least a $20,000

972
01:14:18.780 --> 01:14:20.160
Tad Eggleston: worth of market.

973
01:14:20.540 --> 01:14:20.910
Bryce: Yeah.

974
01:14:20.910 --> 01:14:30.490
Tad Eggleston: I think the bigger problem is the company that wants to somehow, I mean, have

975
01:14:30.620 --> 01:14:38.760
Tad Eggleston: massive returns on it rather than $20,000. Going into to the creation of the book, and then like

976
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:45.250
Tad Eggleston: trying to keep it to another 10 for distribution, at least initially.

977
01:14:45.250 --> 01:14:45.780
Bryce: Yep.

978
01:14:46.860 --> 01:14:49.349
Tad Eggleston: You know they they want it to be

979
01:14:50.000 --> 01:15:05.769
Tad Eggleston: 10,000 for the creation, 20,000, for you know the the printing distribution, and another another 10,000 for for the distributors and shops, and another 10,000 for the publisher is what they're looking for. Yeah.

980
01:15:05.770 --> 01:15:08.740
Bryce: Yeah, yeah, right? And it's like.

981
01:15:08.910 --> 01:15:13.600
Tad Eggleston: I feel like you've got your model wrong when the people who are making it

982
01:15:14.140 --> 01:15:17.669
Tad Eggleston: are the afterthought in terms of who gets paid.

983
01:15:18.010 --> 01:15:23.340
Bryce: And it's gonna be if if we get tariffs on everything.

984
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:28.820
Tad Eggleston: It's gonna it's gonna get worse. The comic industry. Almost all comics are printed in China. So

985
01:15:29.945 --> 01:15:31.429
Tad Eggleston: Or or Canada.

986
01:15:31.430 --> 01:15:32.702
Bryce: Or Canada. Yeah, but.

987
01:15:33.290 --> 01:15:38.320
Tad Eggleston: Though no guarantee that tariffs with Canada won't wind up, being just as bad.

988
01:15:38.320 --> 01:15:40.739
Bryce: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So.

989
01:15:41.110 --> 01:15:48.740
Tad Eggleston: Before graphic novels tend to be graphic novels tend to be printed in China, Korea, or Vietnam.

990
01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:51.189
Tad Eggleston: Sometimes South America.

991
01:15:51.970 --> 01:15:53.550
Bryce: Oh, it is printed in America.

992
01:15:53.690 --> 01:15:55.719
Bryce: so I don't know if that.

993
01:15:55.720 --> 01:16:01.309
Tad Eggleston: Like Marvel, DC. And and most image are done in Canada.

994
01:16:01.470 --> 01:16:02.030
Bryce: Right.

995
01:16:02.180 --> 01:16:05.690
Bryce: Ahoy! Is printed in America. One of the few companies so.

996
01:16:06.060 --> 01:16:07.770
Tad Eggleston: I don't know if yeah, but but

997
01:16:07.770 --> 01:16:14.110
Tad Eggleston: see half the half. The reason that they're printed elsewhere isn't just that it's cheaper.

998
01:16:14.230 --> 01:16:21.269
Tad Eggleston: It's that we've reached a point where we literally don't have the printing capacity in the United States.

999
01:16:21.270 --> 01:16:26.160
Bryce: Right? Right? Yeah, like so many things. Yeah, we we've given up on making things. Or we.

1000
01:16:26.160 --> 01:16:26.510
Tad Eggleston: Right.

1001
01:16:26.510 --> 01:16:27.800
Bryce: Up on making things.

1002
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:30.060
Tad Eggleston: I I mean I mean the the

1003
01:16:30.120 --> 01:16:32.490
Tad Eggleston: did you? Did you see the

1004
01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:39.210
Tad Eggleston: have you? Do you read what's the furthest place from here? Matt Rosenberg and Tyler boss's current book.

1005
01:16:39.380 --> 01:16:39.930
Bryce: No.

1006
01:16:40.330 --> 01:16:47.030
Tad Eggleston: That's great. But initially there was a version that was supposed to come out with a Vinyl single, and they've been way behind on the Vinyl single.

1007
01:16:47.030 --> 01:16:48.210
Bryce: Yeah, because.

1008
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:50.949
Tad Eggleston: Because Vinyl boomed.

1009
01:16:51.140 --> 01:16:51.720
Bryce: Yep.

1010
01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:55.130
Tad Eggleston: But the capacity for making it didn't.

1011
01:16:55.130 --> 01:16:56.630
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. And then one of the few places

1012
01:16:56.630 --> 01:16:59.180
Tad Eggleston: there's like 5, there's like 5 or 6 places.

1013
01:16:59.180 --> 01:16:59.689
Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

1014
01:16:59.690 --> 01:17:00.510
Tad Eggleston: The entire country.

1015
01:17:00.510 --> 01:17:01.620
Bryce: Down. I believe.

1016
01:17:01.620 --> 01:17:02.500
Tad Eggleston: Right.

1017
01:17:03.332 --> 01:17:07.869
Tad Eggleston: And of course nobody wants to put up the capital to build a new one.

1018
01:17:07.870 --> 01:17:09.769
Bryce: Build a new one. Yeah, right?

1019
01:17:09.770 --> 01:17:18.219
Tad Eggleston: I mean, this is where we go back to to like the the billionaire baseball team owner wanting the city to pay for it.

1020
01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:28.840
Tad Eggleston: You know, but nobody's even stepping up to try to get the tax breaks or whatnot, because they haven't decided that. Oh, Vinyl's not a fad.

1021
01:17:29.090 --> 01:17:30.640
Bryce: Right right.

1022
01:17:31.970 --> 01:17:34.334
Bryce: There's so much money in Vinyl right now.

1023
01:17:34.630 --> 01:17:35.240
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

1024
01:17:35.380 --> 01:17:36.930
Bryce: Well, because.

1025
01:17:36.990 --> 01:17:40.750
Tad Eggleston: I mean, and I I literally predicted this.

1026
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:53.609
Tad Eggleston: I predicted 2 things in the late nineties when I was still selling Cds at best buy. The 1st was that it was going to be a lot longer before Cds went away than everybody was saying

1027
01:17:53.780 --> 01:18:00.320
Tad Eggleston: that it was going to be because of 2 things. First, st people like physical

1028
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:05.929
Tad Eggleston: items. Second, people want to make certain the artist

1029
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:14.180
Tad Eggleston: that they love are getting paid. So it's not. The Cds weren't going to get killed by Napster.

1030
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:16.350
Bryce: True.

1031
01:18:16.350 --> 01:18:23.260
Tad Eggleston: Cds weren't going to get killed until there was a viable way to legally pay for music.

1032
01:18:24.320 --> 01:18:31.089
Tad Eggleston: In digital form. And then yes, that was going to kill Cds, because let's face it other than the fact that they're

1033
01:18:31.270 --> 01:18:33.389
Tad Eggleston: more portable Cds suck.

1034
01:18:33.390 --> 01:18:33.970
Bryce: Yeah.

1035
01:18:34.450 --> 01:18:38.160
Tad Eggleston: You know they're a little bit better than tapes, but tapes also sucked.

1036
01:18:38.380 --> 01:18:44.769
Tad Eggleston: That was, I think that was what made cities feel better was that they were better than tapes.

1037
01:18:44.770 --> 01:18:49.760
Tad Eggleston: and the only reasons that either one of those were better than Vinyl was the portability.

1038
01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:50.310
Bryce: Exactly.

1039
01:18:50.310 --> 01:19:05.649
Tad Eggleston: Vinyl is the one medium that is like between the size which allows for art and whatnot, between the tactile nature of putting it on the turntable the way a shelf of records looks. Blah blah.

1040
01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:13.930
Tad Eggleston: I said then, because I was even seeing like an uptick of like this bear was having everything

1041
01:19:13.930 --> 01:19:14.360
Tad Eggleston: I'm out on.

1042
01:19:14.360 --> 01:19:15.210
Bryce: Viral.

1043
01:19:15.210 --> 01:19:20.279
Tad Eggleston: Pearl jam was having everything come out on Vinyl, you know.

1044
01:19:20.740 --> 01:19:28.969
Bryce: The the first, st when, like bands like pearl jam, started to do vinyl again like they would sell like crazy at the public power records. I worked at.

1045
01:19:29.130 --> 01:19:29.960
Tad Eggleston: Right

1046
01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:37.139
Tad Eggleston: And sure enough, it actually took another decade or so

1047
01:19:37.630 --> 01:19:46.919
Tad Eggleston: for Cds to really die, and part of the reason that they died was because companies like best buy bailed on them before they should have.

1048
01:19:47.150 --> 01:19:52.329
Bryce: Yeah, yeah, top down. Decision. Somebody made.

1049
01:19:52.330 --> 01:20:03.150
Tad Eggleston: You know. There was actually a resurgence in a handful of of smaller record stores, because they suddenly had this this gaping hole that had.

1050
01:20:03.150 --> 01:20:06.770
Bryce: And yeah.

1051
01:20:06.770 --> 01:20:12.350
Tad Eggleston: You know. What's the one fye doesn't exist if best buy doesn't get out of the.

1052
01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:14.390
Bryce: We have, we have.

1053
01:20:14.390 --> 01:20:14.950
Tad Eggleston: The market.

1054
01:20:14.950 --> 01:20:20.769
Bryce: A store here in Portland called Music millennium, that is incredibly popular, and sells seats.

1055
01:20:20.770 --> 01:20:21.340
Tad Eggleston: Right.

1056
01:20:21.340 --> 01:20:27.000
Bryce: Vinyl. And yeah, there's nobody. There's no other place to get it, really to get new stuff. That's where people go.

1057
01:20:27.460 --> 01:20:31.620
Tad Eggleston: Right and then, immediately after that Vinyl came back.

1058
01:20:32.050 --> 01:20:32.480
Bryce: Yep.

1059
01:20:32.480 --> 01:20:36.120
Tad Eggleston: And with Vinyl coming back, actual record stores came back

1060
01:20:36.510 --> 01:20:42.600
Tad Eggleston: because not enough. I mean it. It took another 10 years before Target went. Oh, I should have Vinyl!

1061
01:20:43.620 --> 01:20:46.720
Tad Eggleston: And even then they don't have a great selection of Vinyl.

1062
01:20:48.370 --> 01:20:52.980
Tad Eggleston: They don't give the same thought to it that was once given to Cds

1063
01:20:53.540 --> 01:21:03.199
Tad Eggleston: because it takes up more space and they're all about. You know. How much money can we make per square foot? And I get that for a big box store, but that that then leaves

1064
01:21:03.570 --> 01:21:06.956
Tad Eggleston: that leaves room for your small stores.

1065
01:21:08.490 --> 01:21:12.409
Tad Eggleston: which is why it would have been so nice if we'd elected a President who wanted to

1066
01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:15.340
Tad Eggleston: give tax breaks to small business owners.

1067
01:21:15.340 --> 01:21:16.630
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it would have been nice.

1068
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:21.769
Bryce: You know what a silly idea.

1069
01:21:23.330 --> 01:21:25.900
Tad Eggleston: Crazy idea. I mean, it's just

1070
01:21:26.456 --> 01:21:35.970
Tad Eggleston: we. We live in an interesting world, Bryce. I'm so ready to not live in an interesting world can we live in a boring world at some point in our lives?

1071
01:21:35.970 --> 01:21:40.800
Bryce: Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't need to be, as I say, interesting times. I I'm ready for it to be.

1072
01:21:41.270 --> 01:21:46.490
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, give me boring times at some point in my life. That's all I ask.

1073
01:21:46.490 --> 01:21:47.550
Bryce: For sure.

1074
01:21:47.940 --> 01:21:48.660
Bryce: Yeah.

1075
01:21:49.020 --> 01:22:01.530
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I guess, like 1988 to like 1995 or 96 was relatively boring. But I was like 8 to 14. I didn't know what I had.

1076
01:22:01.730 --> 01:22:07.289
Bryce: Yeah, yeah, I'm a little older. So I got to enjoy it a little bit more. But I didn't know what I had, either, because.

1077
01:22:07.290 --> 01:22:08.330
Tad Eggleston: Right.

1078
01:22:08.330 --> 01:22:10.689
Bryce: Too young to to tell the difference.

1079
01:22:11.150 --> 01:22:26.840
Tad Eggleston: Right. It's like dude. I don't want to look back on my middle school years fondly, because I don't look back on them personally, fondly. I only look back on them fondly when I'm looking at history books and going oh, between like

1080
01:22:27.460 --> 01:22:30.660
Tad Eggleston: the 1st Iraq War and.

1081
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:34.290
Bryce: 9 11.

1082
01:22:35.180 --> 01:22:38.350
Tad Eggleston: The world was mostly nice.

1083
01:22:40.380 --> 01:22:40.950
Bryce: Yeah.

1084
01:22:41.540 --> 01:22:43.020
Tad Eggleston: Not perfect.

1085
01:22:43.580 --> 01:22:46.669
Bryce: No, and the seeds.

1086
01:22:46.670 --> 01:22:47.500
Tad Eggleston: Mostly.

1087
01:22:47.500 --> 01:22:49.430
Bryce: Planted. The seeds were being furious.

1088
01:22:49.430 --> 01:22:52.320
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. No. We we.

1089
01:22:52.320 --> 01:22:52.639
Bryce: You're right.

1090
01:22:52.640 --> 01:23:04.970
Tad Eggleston: Which is why, which is why I'm really frustrated with. Because I saw the seeds being planted before I was able to vote. So I'm really, really frustrated with the voters from that era during that nice era

1091
01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:13.529
Tad Eggleston: like I, they love making fun of the millennials and the okay boomer. But like

1092
01:23:14.300 --> 01:23:22.829
Tad Eggleston: boomers, grew up in arguably the greatest era of America, and it's not hard to look at history and know why.

1093
01:23:24.370 --> 01:23:32.100
Tad Eggleston: And yet every lesson that could have been learned that created that wonderful era

1094
01:23:33.330 --> 01:23:37.939
Tad Eggleston: and not everything was perfect. We're still working on the civil rights, but like the same people who

1095
01:23:38.300 --> 01:23:40.580
Tad Eggleston: jacked up taxes on the rich were

1096
01:23:40.630 --> 01:23:50.440
Tad Eggleston: also working on. You know, Eisenhower work on Eisenhower wouldn't be a Republican today, and if Republicans were like Eisenhower today, I wouldn't be as upset.

1097
01:23:51.080 --> 01:23:54.279
Bryce: Ronald Reagan would get kicked out of the modern Republican party.

1098
01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:56.789
Tad Eggleston: He would, but he was also the beginning.

1099
01:23:56.790 --> 01:24:00.230
Bryce: Oh, I'm not a fan of Ronald Reagan, but I'm just saying that's how far we've gone.

1100
01:24:00.230 --> 01:24:08.090
Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, we look nostalgically on on Bush and cheney. That's how far things have gotten.

1101
01:24:08.090 --> 01:24:08.440
Bryce: Yes.

1102
01:24:08.440 --> 01:24:11.489
Tad Eggleston: If you had told me that there was any chance of that.

1103
01:24:11.830 --> 01:24:17.529
Tad Eggleston: If you had told me in 2,008 that I was going to see a President in my lifetime

1104
01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:19.639
Tad Eggleston: worse than George Bush.

1105
01:24:20.300 --> 01:24:22.299
Bryce: Yeah, I I would have gone.

1106
01:24:22.730 --> 01:24:24.049
Tad Eggleston: Oh, God!

1107
01:24:24.090 --> 01:24:27.870
Tad Eggleston: But I also would have assumed that I would have been an old, old man.

1108
01:24:27.870 --> 01:24:32.785
Bryce: Yeah, that wouldn't take like 8 years to get there. Yeah, right?

1109
01:24:34.060 --> 01:24:34.400
Bryce: No.

1110
01:24:34.400 --> 01:24:38.039
Tad Eggleston: So we'd write course for 4 years, and then go right back.

1111
01:24:38.240 --> 01:24:38.800
Bryce: Yeah.

1112
01:24:40.650 --> 01:24:47.490
Tad Eggleston: Because it's like when it comes to American Presidents like

1113
01:24:48.190 --> 01:24:50.479
Tad Eggleston: at the bottom. You have, like

1114
01:24:50.890 --> 01:24:54.869
Tad Eggleston: Hoover, Buchanan, and and W. Like

1115
01:24:55.200 --> 01:24:57.890
Tad Eggleston: duking it out for second worst.

1116
01:24:57.890 --> 01:24:58.540
Bryce: Yeah.

1117
01:24:58.540 --> 01:25:01.069
Tad Eggleston: And then you have 50 miles of shit.

1118
01:25:03.400 --> 01:25:04.300
Bryce: So true.

1119
01:25:04.710 --> 01:25:07.229
Tad Eggleston: And you get to our president, elect.

1120
01:25:09.330 --> 01:25:10.050
Bryce: Yeah.

1121
01:25:10.230 --> 01:25:15.242
Bryce: And we've had some bad presidents. You're right. But yeah, it's 50 miles difference.

1122
01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:17.640
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

1123
01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:20.419
Bryce: Like like we've we've had bad Presidents who got

1124
01:25:20.950 --> 01:25:24.460
Bryce: most of the most of their policies wrong or

1125
01:25:24.650 --> 01:25:27.589
Bryce: half their policies wrong, you know, and we're terrible Presidents.

1126
01:25:27.820 --> 01:25:32.499
Bryce: We now have a President coming back in that we already know will get everything wrong.

1127
01:25:32.690 --> 01:25:33.330
Bryce: Everything.

1128
01:25:33.330 --> 01:25:36.230
Tad Eggleston: Well, and it literally doesn't want to get anything right.

1129
01:25:36.230 --> 01:25:39.779
Bryce: Yeah, probably doesn't want to do it right, but his impulses are always the.

1130
01:25:39.780 --> 01:25:43.689
Tad Eggleston: People people did this before, so it must be wrong.

1131
01:25:44.130 --> 01:25:48.290
Bryce: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1132
01:25:48.290 --> 01:25:50.879
Tad Eggleston: Unless it's something that also makes me richer.

1133
01:25:51.470 --> 01:25:55.230
Bryce: Yeah, right? Right?

1134
01:25:55.360 --> 01:25:56.100
Bryce: Right?

1135
01:25:56.570 --> 01:26:05.140
Tad Eggleston: My my buddy from from Dubai says this will be really good, and he gave my son-in-law 2 billion dollars, so he must be right.

1136
01:26:05.500 --> 01:26:11.390
Bryce: And you know, like it doesn't even matter if if he what

1137
01:26:11.660 --> 01:26:14.650
Bryce: if it's true or not that it will make him rich?

1138
01:26:14.770 --> 01:26:17.310
Bryce: It's just like well, it might so.

1139
01:26:17.570 --> 01:26:20.870
Tad Eggleston: Well, cause I don't think he understands that he's not rich.

1140
01:26:20.870 --> 01:26:22.239
Bryce: No, no, he's not.

1141
01:26:22.240 --> 01:26:38.449
Tad Eggleston: So it's like he doesn't. He doesn't really get money. I mean, seriously, that's that's the thing that's really really scary about him, is he could be dirt poor, and if people propped him up to make him feel like he was still rich, he would do anything in the world for them.

1142
01:26:39.070 --> 01:26:45.679
Bryce: Okay, that is, he's a disaster in every possible way.

1143
01:26:46.340 --> 01:26:52.680
Bryce: It's like it's like, you know, it is, it is. It was made in the lab. The lab was the United States of America.

1144
01:26:52.840 --> 01:27:00.579
Bryce: and the lab of the United States of America, created sort of the ultimate, shitty American, and he is our. He is our leader now.

1145
01:27:01.020 --> 01:27:01.830
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

1146
01:27:03.210 --> 01:27:07.539
Bryce: Like everything bad about America, kind of just distilled down into that orange man.

1147
01:27:07.540 --> 01:27:14.159
Tad Eggleston: I. You know I've said it a couple of times lately. i 1 of the things that's been really hard for me is like

1148
01:27:15.460 --> 01:27:23.220
Tad Eggleston: 2 parts of like

1149
01:27:23.550 --> 01:27:33.089
Tad Eggleston: my personal identity, like what I consider myself, what I don't even need to like, shout from the rooftops. It's just part of who I am

1150
01:27:33.110 --> 01:27:47.269
Tad Eggleston: have been so utterly co-opted by the same group of people in the same horrible ways, that that they've now become like my personal, quiet identity. You know

1151
01:27:47.380 --> 01:27:50.320
Tad Eggleston: I do consider myself a Christian, and I

1152
01:27:50.480 --> 01:27:53.490
Tad Eggleston: do consider myself a patriot, and I

1153
01:27:53.940 --> 01:27:58.490
Tad Eggleston: do not want to be counted among any of the other people that say those things.

1154
01:27:58.490 --> 01:27:59.780
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

1155
01:27:59.780 --> 01:28:06.580
Tad Eggleston: Or at the very least, I want to like seriously vet them before I decide that I'm willing to be counted among their number.

1156
01:28:07.010 --> 01:28:08.969
Bryce: Totally. I get you. Yeah.

1157
01:28:08.970 --> 01:28:13.130
Tad Eggleston: Because it so clearly means something very different to me

1158
01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:15.579
Tad Eggleston: than it does to all of these other people.

1159
01:28:15.580 --> 01:28:16.710
Bryce: Exactly.

1160
01:28:17.510 --> 01:28:17.975
Bryce: Yeah.

1161
01:28:19.080 --> 01:28:24.789
Bryce: Oh, you know, we still do the pledge of allegiance once a week at over the intercom at school.

1162
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:28.410
Bryce: It's very casual kids don't have to participate if they don't want to.

1163
01:28:28.410 --> 01:28:29.030
Tad Eggleston: Right.

1164
01:28:29.030 --> 01:28:38.050
Bryce: But just the words like kind of sting. Now, you know, you know this this idea of equality and liberty and justice. It's like.

1165
01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:40.900
Bryce: Really.

1166
01:28:41.640 --> 01:28:48.900
Tad Eggleston: Right, and and the people who get upset because they think the only words that matter are the 1st line.

1167
01:28:49.070 --> 01:28:50.290
Bryce: Yeah. Yup,

1168
01:28:52.370 --> 01:28:58.826
Tad Eggleston: You know I get so frustrated. I actually had this conversation with somebody the other day.

1169
01:28:59.900 --> 01:29:04.439
Tad Eggleston: you know, cause cause we were. We were.

1170
01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:12.600
Tad Eggleston: I forget exactly how ridiculous the shirt was, but like uniform flag code.

1171
01:29:13.400 --> 01:29:19.009
Tad Eggleston: you know, is pretty clear about like the flag not being an article of clothing.

1172
01:29:19.630 --> 01:29:26.209
Tad Eggleston: Or not being a towel or not being a chair, or

1173
01:29:26.910 --> 01:29:29.460
Tad Eggleston: really it shouldn't be on a baseball uniform.

1174
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Bryce: Or being altered to put like an image of Donald trump on the flag. You know.

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01:29:35.160 --> 01:29:38.170
Tad Eggleston: Bright or or changing the color scheme.

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Bryce: Yep. Yep.

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Tad Eggleston: And and this is where it should also be pointed out that the uniform flag code is a set of

1178
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Tad Eggleston: guidelines.

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Tad Eggleston: that even for the military breaking them doesn't necessarily result in court martial. So it's not illegal to break the uniform flag code.

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01:30:00.400 --> 01:30:03.530
Tad Eggleston: You know what's not in the uniform flag code.

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01:30:05.290 --> 01:30:05.850
Bryce: What?

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01:30:06.230 --> 01:30:09.010
Tad Eggleston: The idea that you have to stand for the anthem.

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01:30:09.010 --> 01:30:11.900
Bryce: Oh, yeah, yeah. Take off your hat.

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01:30:12.340 --> 01:30:12.980
Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: All it says is, you should show respect for the flag.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Taking a knee and nodding your head in prayer.

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Bryce: Yep.

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Tad Eggleston: Is respectful.

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Bryce: Totally.

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01:30:32.260 --> 01:30:37.920
Bryce: And you're right? You know the it. The allegiance part is the part that some people that that's all they have.

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Tad Eggleston: That it's like that. Yeah, they didn't get beyond that.

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01:30:40.380 --> 01:30:41.230
Bryce: Yeah, but.

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01:30:41.230 --> 01:30:45.249
Tad Eggleston: And how about that national anthem? Have you ever read the second verse.

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01:30:45.510 --> 01:30:47.520
Bryce: Yeah, right? Right? Right?

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01:30:47.740 --> 01:30:52.190
Tad Eggleston: National Anthem literally talks about like hunting down slaves.

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01:30:52.190 --> 01:30:53.060
Bryce: Yeah, it's.

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01:30:53.630 --> 01:30:56.999
Tad Eggleston: Maybe it's time for a different one.

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Bryce: Yeah, has been for a while, I think.

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Tad Eggleston: Maybe it never actually should have been made the National Anthem. And it wasn't until like.

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Bryce: The fifties, right.

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01:31:09.050 --> 01:31:17.079
Tad Eggleston: I think it was actually the teens, but that in some ways makes it worse because it was like it became the National Anthem during one of those

1203
01:31:17.380 --> 01:31:23.810
Tad Eggleston: swings in Confederate statues and whatnot. So it was like a definite pushback against.

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01:31:25.390 --> 01:31:25.850
Bryce: This.

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Tad Eggleston: And and mind you, you know the part that doesn't get talked about. That historically is, you know, that that major round of

1206
01:31:34.940 --> 01:31:37.250
Tad Eggleston: anti-civil rights

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01:31:38.830 --> 01:31:48.770
Tad Eggleston: was just as everybody was coming back from World War 2, you know, from World War one. The other one was when they were coming back from World War 2. You know why these are significant.

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01:31:49.770 --> 01:31:54.090
Tad Eggleston: you know, where black people got treated pretty equally.

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01:31:54.090 --> 01:31:54.997
Bryce: In the military.

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01:31:55.300 --> 01:32:00.230
Tad Eggleston: As soldiers, you know, where black people did amazing things as soldiers.

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01:32:00.230 --> 01:32:00.810
Bryce: Yep.

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01:32:01.460 --> 01:32:07.749
Tad Eggleston: Oh, those soldiers are coming home now. We gotta make certain that you know that only these ones over here are heroes.

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Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

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01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:12.040
Tad Eggleston: Not those over there?

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01:32:16.270 --> 01:32:20.270
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I'm I mean, we allow illegal immigrants to enlist in our military.

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01:32:20.270 --> 01:32:21.070
Bryce: For sure.

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01:32:21.590 --> 01:32:22.750
Bryce: Cannon, fodder.

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Tad Eggleston: We? We have people who should technically be deported, who are who are enlisted in the military.

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01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:34.419
Bryce: Yeah. Yeah. And then and then we'll you know, when they're done with their time in the military, we can deport them.

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Tad Eggleston: Right?

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01:32:36.330 --> 01:32:38.840
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, we we have.

1222
01:32:41.870 --> 01:32:46.290
Tad Eggleston: during the best of times, this nation. It was built on

1223
01:32:47.010 --> 01:32:56.219
Tad Eggleston: such an amazing promise that that at times the nation seems to embrace, but then, at other times we seem to like

1224
01:32:57.390 --> 01:33:00.780
Tad Eggleston: treat it as the spit shine on.

1225
01:33:02.660 --> 01:33:05.060
Tad Eggleston: Whatever you know.

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Bryce: And and we're in one of those times where they're even saying all the quiet parts out loud.

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Bryce: Oh, yeah, that just makes it so hard it does. It does. It's.

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Tad Eggleston: It's like it's like dude. Go read the Constitution.

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Bryce: Especially when you're in education, you know. And you have, like, we have a a precocious, gifted student that we work with.

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Bryce: And she's like everyone lies. Adults just lie. Now

1231
01:33:27.780 --> 01:33:31.029
Bryce: the President is going to be the world's biggest liar.

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01:33:32.385 --> 01:33:36.359
Bryce: What's going on, you know, like she can't process it, you know, like.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, and and I maintain that one of the reasons that so many things have been politicized

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Tad Eggleston: is because schools are supposed to be apolitical.

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Bryce: Yeah.

1236
01:33:47.220 --> 01:33:53.760
Tad Eggleston: So the more different things you politicize, the harder it is to have any conversations whatsoever with kids.

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Bryce: And then, you know civics.

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01:33:57.950 --> 01:34:03.740
Bryce: I don't know how it is in your region, but the West Coast doesn't even teach civics anymore.

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01:34:04.030 --> 01:34:07.800
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we still have a constitution test required.

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01:34:08.280 --> 01:34:08.790
Bryce: That's good.

1241
01:34:08.790 --> 01:34:09.550
Tad Eggleston: Situation.

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Bryce: We don't.

1243
01:34:13.050 --> 01:34:16.249
Tad Eggleston: Some some of the material, I mean how to put it.

1244
01:34:17.580 --> 01:34:23.359
Tad Eggleston: It sometimes attacks it as dispassionately as it possibly can.

1245
01:34:24.557 --> 01:34:28.039
Tad Eggleston: Which still makes it left leaning enough that that.

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01:34:28.240 --> 01:34:28.780
Bryce: Yeah.

1247
01:34:28.780 --> 01:34:35.259
Tad Eggleston: Like you can tell the Fox news, or children of fox News

1248
01:34:35.820 --> 01:34:42.840
Tad Eggleston: kids pretty quickly when they're sitting there when they're doing their government. This is bullshit I'm like, no, this is like

1249
01:34:43.870 --> 01:34:47.949
Tad Eggleston: this. Is that document that you say is important.

1250
01:34:48.400 --> 01:34:51.590
Bryce: Yeah, right, yeah.

1251
01:34:52.970 --> 01:34:53.870
Tad Eggleston: You know.

1252
01:34:53.870 --> 01:34:55.349
Bryce: That your judges are.

1253
01:34:57.400 --> 01:34:59.709
Tad Eggleston: Do you watch Jordan clipper at all on the daily.

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01:34:59.710 --> 01:35:02.310
Bryce: Oh, yeah, I I catch him on Youtube sometimes. Yeah.

1255
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that, too. And and still the the most haunting moment he's ever had.

1256
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Tad Eggleston: the one that just always sticks with me because he was at January 6.th Yeah. And I remember he was talking to a guy, and he was asking, well, oh, well, they're doing this unconstitutional, you know. Blah blah, and he's like it's unconstitutional like where? Where? I don't know exactly, but I heard it's like, well, but I've I've read the Constitution. I don't remember the part about you've read the Constitution.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I've read the Constitution. It's incredibly short. It's not a long document. You've read the Constitution. Yeah. And you know, maybe you should, too, because you seem to be gearing up for seditious acts. Yeah.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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01:35:52.850 --> 01:35:59.360
Tad Eggleston: And like when he said that I I mean, if I ever met him, that would have been my 1st question is, is like this moment

1260
01:35:59.880 --> 01:36:01.650
Tad Eggleston: like haunts me

1261
01:36:01.770 --> 01:36:14.190
Tad Eggleston: because this is just a regular guy. He doesn't. He's not one of the one that he's talking to. He's he's like 20 something he's not decked out in American flags. He's not the Qanon Shaman. He's not.

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Bryce: Though most people aren't.

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01:36:17.530 --> 01:36:18.385
Tad Eggleston: Right

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01:36:19.240 --> 01:36:20.549
Bryce: Both. Maga aren't.

1265
01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:24.750
Tad Eggleston: Right right, but he's so certain and and like

1266
01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:34.050
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I know, from talking to Tom King that you could, because Tom was walking his dog Tom every once in a while will repost

1267
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Tad Eggleston: to to social media. Stuff like this is the Capitol during black lives matter with the freaking like

1268
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Tad Eggleston: National Guard out. This is the Capitol on January 6.th

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Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

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01:36:52.710 --> 01:36:59.038
Bryce: No, and and that kind of stuff is haunting. And there was one. There's those guys, the good liars who are

1271
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Bryce: similar to Klepper, and

1272
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Bryce: and they had one last week where they were talking to they it was right before the election they had footage of them at at a trump rally.

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01:37:09.340 --> 01:37:12.959
Bryce: talking to vendors, selling trump crap, you know, is.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

1275
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Bryce: And talking to them about tariffs, and like, you understand that

1276
01:37:20.090 --> 01:37:23.840
Bryce: like this is, gonna be bad for your business, and they're like no

1277
01:37:24.270 --> 01:37:28.160
Bryce: other guys are gonna pay for it. I said, Okay, but the other guys to pay it.

1278
01:37:28.280 --> 01:37:30.130
Bryce: They're going to raise the price.

1279
01:37:30.180 --> 01:37:35.569
Bryce: and they had to like break it down like like. Bring in another vendor and go, hey? So if

1280
01:37:35.590 --> 01:37:42.930
Bryce: the hat you get for wholesale 10 bucks is now 20 bucks, what is what are you going to do to your price

1281
01:37:43.170 --> 01:37:47.379
Bryce: and have another vendor go like, oh, I'd have to raise my price! 10 bucks

1282
01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:52.149
Bryce: to make the the Mega guy go. Oh, that's how tariffs work.

1283
01:37:52.330 --> 01:37:56.410
Bryce: right? And that's scary that, like, you know, there's these people that are like

1284
01:37:57.050 --> 01:38:00.434
Bryce: buying like all the lies to the extent that

1285
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Bryce: even the guys who make their living selling Maga hats.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, it's yeah.

1287
01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:07.730
Bryce: Get screwed, and they don't realize it.

1288
01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:15.419
Tad Eggleston: Well, they were already gonna get screwed, because, like, they do better business when

1289
01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:18.169
Tad Eggleston: he's not in power than when he is.

1290
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Bryce: Yeah, that's true, too.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean 3 different gun manufacturers

1292
01:38:23.050 --> 01:38:26.969
Tad Eggleston: filed for bankruptcy in the 1st year of his presidency.

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Bryce: Interesting.

1294
01:38:27.460 --> 01:38:29.309
Tad Eggleston: Obama was good for business.

1295
01:38:29.310 --> 01:38:31.060
Bryce: Oh, yeah, for the best, was it?

1296
01:38:33.260 --> 01:38:35.499
Bryce: Kamala would have been better. But.

1297
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Bryce: dang it, they didn't want her to be President.

1298
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Bryce: The whole gun lobby should have been just going for her poor all.

1299
01:38:42.320 --> 01:38:44.150
Tad Eggleston: You would think, Yeah.

1300
01:38:44.500 --> 01:38:45.662
Bryce: They should have.

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01:38:46.940 --> 01:38:50.870
Bryce: because she wasn't going to be able to ban guns, and she was going to help them sell them.

1302
01:38:51.660 --> 01:38:59.220
Tad Eggleston: Right? But I mean gun sales, went Skyrocket under Biden, too. They always skyrocket under Democrats. Because

1303
01:38:59.220 --> 01:38:59.869
Tad Eggleston: is the problem.

1304
01:38:59.870 --> 01:39:06.439
Tad Eggleston: The idea that they're going to take them away means that you have to go out and buy more. Which is how we have more guns than people in this country.

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01:39:06.440 --> 01:39:09.560
Bryce: Yeah, we do really scary.

1306
01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:11.170
Tad Eggleston: More guns than people.

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Bryce: Yeah. Oh, I know, and I don't have a gun. -Oh.

1308
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Tad Eggleston: Neither do I.

1309
01:39:15.020 --> 01:39:18.183
Bryce: Don't come, don't come for me. People with 10 guns.

1310
01:39:19.530 --> 01:39:22.480
Tad Eggleston: 17 guns, 1,700 guns.

1311
01:39:22.480 --> 01:39:24.070
Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

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01:39:24.610 --> 01:39:32.109
Bryce: no. I had a friend who got into guns, and he like filled up like a whole room with guns until he kind of had a moment where he was like, Whoa! What am I doing? And he

1313
01:39:32.170 --> 01:39:34.950
Bryce: pulled back and got rid of almost all of them. But.

1314
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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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01:39:35.390 --> 01:39:40.470
Bryce: Kind of fell into that like creating an arsenal American thing that people do.

1316
01:39:41.400 --> 01:39:42.370
Tad Eggleston: Why?

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01:39:42.370 --> 01:39:43.640
Bryce: Yeah, exactly. And that's what he found.

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01:39:43.640 --> 01:40:03.410
Tad Eggleston: And I'm like, and I'm like, let's even like, because, particularly as we, as we have more stand your ground laws and more castle laws and and and, thanks to Kenosha, you know we now have at least one time where the idea that somebody might take your gun is is reason

1319
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Tad Eggleston: is justification for homicide.

1320
01:40:05.810 --> 01:40:10.010
Bryce: Yeah, right? And and not just homicide. Then you become a hero.

1321
01:40:10.220 --> 01:40:10.690
Tad Eggleston: Right.

1322
01:40:10.690 --> 01:40:11.320
Bryce: Right.

1323
01:40:11.320 --> 01:40:11.910
Bryce: They could lose.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm just talking about the legal side. You're right. He got off because he was afraid that somebody might take his gun. Yeah, and therefore he had real fear for his life

1325
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Tad Eggleston: because he had a gun. Yeah, he had real fear for his life.

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01:40:26.890 --> 01:40:28.899
Bryce: Such twisted, evil logic.

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01:40:29.190 --> 01:40:30.739
Tad Eggleston: So in other words.

1328
01:40:33.950 --> 01:40:39.130
Tad Eggleston: if you choose to, there, there's essentially no excuse for not using your gut anymore.

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01:40:39.130 --> 01:40:40.499
Bryce: Right, Right, Cause, Only.

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01:40:40.500 --> 01:40:41.189
Tad Eggleston: What's the next?

1331
01:40:41.190 --> 01:40:43.279
Bryce: Yeah, I perceive, I perceive.

1332
01:40:43.430 --> 01:40:45.029
Tad Eggleston: Right. What's the next step?

1333
01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:51.730
Bryce: I perceive a whole community is a threat to me.

1334
01:40:52.140 --> 01:40:54.209
Tad Eggleston: Right, I perceive.

1335
01:40:54.570 --> 01:40:55.849
Bryce: Yeah. That's that's the.

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Tad Eggleston: You know. Eventually, you know the only place that leads unless you, unless you

1337
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Tad Eggleston: infringe on gun rights somewhere. Big air quotes going that that our listeners can't can't see. Yeah, is like, okay. So you need guns to protect your stuff. Because

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Tad Eggleston: when the police come to to stop the robbers. The robbers feel threatened, and they can shoot the police. And you know, essentially the only people that get to have stuff are the people that are good enough shots to keep the stuff.

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Bryce: Yeah, that seems sort of like the old, like wild West of the 18 hundreds.

1340
01:41:40.240 --> 01:41:43.010
Tad Eggleston: It actually feels worse than the I'm in the Wild West.

1341
01:41:43.010 --> 01:41:45.459
Bryce: The actual had a massive amount of.

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Tad Eggleston: Good. We're fired.

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01:41:46.540 --> 01:41:46.970
Tad Eggleston: No.

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01:41:46.970 --> 01:41:49.669
Bryce: But the same sort of ethos.

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Tad Eggleston: No, but but seriously, you couldn't carry a gun in Dodge City. You had to check it at.

1346
01:41:55.510 --> 01:41:59.010
Tad Eggleston: That's right. You could carry a gun and tombstone you had to check in it with the sheriff.

1347
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Tad Eggleston: Very true.

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Bryce: Very true, yep.

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Tad Eggleston: That was long before Bruin.

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Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

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01:42:06.410 --> 01:42:12.230
Bryce: they should have gone and have the Supreme Court, you know. Help them with that, you know their their second.

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Tad Eggleston: Supreme Court at the time, still thought of the right to bear arms as a community thing.

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Bryce: Right? A militia. Yeah, as it should be right.

1354
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Tad Eggleston: Right you can have. You can have an armory in your community that people can have access to. Should your community be attacked by by wild Indians or bears.

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Bryce: Yep, yep.

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Bryce: Or the British, if you're on the east coast, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: That's what it meant.

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Bryce: Until 2,008.

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Tad Eggleston: Till 2,008.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, it makes for some funny comics.

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Bryce: It certainly can.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean we. We are reaching a point where it's harder and harder to write a good dystopic comedy.

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Bryce: It is.

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Tad Eggleston: Because it's harder and harder to write dystopia that looks far-fetched.

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Bryce: I agree.

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Tad Eggleston: I, I.

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Bryce: It's 1 of the challenges of of, you know, like, when we get off today, I'm going to be writing and working on this robot dog thing and.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: There's some dystopia in that world, and and it's it's tricky right now.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, like 1984 in brave New World, they were still like

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Tad Eggleston: 50, 60 years away from, you know, decisions could still be made to avoid that. Yeah, now, it's like half the time one of my favorite comics in the last couple of years. Did you read a

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Tad Eggleston: Sarah Gailey and Atlanta Congas.

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Tad Eggleston: Did a book called Know your Station, where essentially all the rich people have moved up

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Tad Eggleston: into this space station.

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Bryce: Oh!

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Tad Eggleston: And and

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01:44:12.260 --> 01:44:20.700
Tad Eggleston: you know, there's a murder so so like it's a murder mystery on this rich space station. But they're all these little things that you start picking up on

1378
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Tad Eggleston: as you go through, which is like that. This is all funded by by the Carceral Society.

1379
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Tad Eggleston: You know the fact that, like almost all of Earth, is now

1380
01:44:35.020 --> 01:44:40.620
Tad Eggleston: considered a prison and a private prison at that. And that's how all these people made their money.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. There's just certain things that I'm uncomfortable. Having privatized.

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Bryce: Oh, hell, yeah.

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01:44:51.020 --> 01:44:53.000
Tad Eggleston: Military prisons.

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Bryce: Hmm.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't really think that health care should.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I mean, I don't think that anything that is like, you know, directly involved in in allowing

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01:45:12.130 --> 01:45:26.369
Tad Eggleston: equal opportunity to living a healthy, happy life, so should be privatized. So I think we should have a right to health care. I think we should have a right to power. I think we should have a right to

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Tad Eggleston: either

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Tad Eggleston: a job that will support us, or, barring that, a universal basic income, whichever the powers that be, think

1390
01:45:35.550 --> 01:45:38.330
Tad Eggleston: we'll make it work better. I think we should have

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01:45:38.370 --> 01:45:45.179
Tad Eggleston: a right to communications. I don't think you should have to pay for Internet or phone service, or whatever.

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Tad Eggleston: Now, I think that there's lots of room for there still to be capitalism around those things. You want better healthcare.

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01:45:52.290 --> 01:45:57.139
Tad Eggleston: Private health care can be out there. You want better than the Government. You can have private insurance

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Tad Eggleston: whatever, but there should be a baseline that everybody is entitled to that. Your vote means something because your vote is about. Oh, we need to improve this, or we need to improve that

1395
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Tad Eggleston: But I think even more than that, I don't think we should have

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Tad Eggleston: things. I mean, those are all things where people get to profit off of them because people need them, and therefore

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Tad Eggleston: you raise the prices doesn't matter. People still need to eat.

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Bryce: You'll need it. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Still need access to the Internet, they still.

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Bryce: I'll take half of. I'll take a half of my my diabetes medication, you know, because I can't afford to take a full dose.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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01:46:48.220 --> 01:46:51.510
Tad Eggleston: But to me it's even more offensive

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01:46:52.080 --> 01:47:02.399
Tad Eggleston: that there are people that profit off of things that we want to eradicate.

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01:47:05.110 --> 01:47:10.620
Tad Eggleston: You have for-profit prisons. You have people who want more crime.

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01:47:11.370 --> 01:47:22.689
Tad Eggleston: When, when your national weapon systems, when your national defense is privatized, you have people who want more war.

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Bryce: No, these are these. And I. I be very careful about saying this.

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Bryce: These people are enemies of humanity in the truest sense. I'm not trying to like other anyone, but

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01:47:34.440 --> 01:47:38.480
Bryce: they are. If if you are in that position where you're rooting

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01:47:38.560 --> 01:47:41.540
Bryce: for things that kill and destroy

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01:47:42.120 --> 01:47:46.599
Bryce: human right race, the human race or human society than you are

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01:47:47.460 --> 01:47:51.459
Bryce: by what you are doing, an enemy to humanity, to.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Bryce: Life.

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01:47:53.270 --> 01:47:55.100
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

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01:47:55.910 --> 01:47:58.670
Tad Eggleston: And I, hey, there's blows my mind.

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01:47:58.670 --> 01:47:59.330
Bryce: About that.

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01:47:59.650 --> 01:48:05.219
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, it blows my mind that we live in a society that's managed to twist some of these things so much

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01:48:05.420 --> 01:48:11.539
Tad Eggleston: that people can say things out loud and not realize how horrible with I mean, like

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01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:15.810
Tad Eggleston: when you've got the CEO of a of a for-profit

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01:48:16.080 --> 01:48:24.039
Tad Eggleston: prison company talking about how how good business is going to be with trump coming in, because there's going to be need for this, that and the other thing. And it's like.

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Tad Eggleston: do you understand what you're saying?

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01:48:28.730 --> 01:48:29.360
Bryce: Yep.

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Tad Eggleston: You've so managed to divorce human beings from the profit you make off of them.

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01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:37.560
Bryce: Yeah.

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01:48:37.850 --> 01:48:41.489
Tad Eggleston: The the that you're bragging.

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01:48:41.490 --> 01:48:43.359
Bryce: That's the thing right?

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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01:48:45.300 --> 01:48:50.119
Bryce: Be aware that if you do that enough, then there is no more.

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01:48:50.120 --> 01:48:53.220
Tad Eggleston: Right, right, yeah.

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01:48:53.220 --> 01:48:53.415
Bryce: But.

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01:48:53.610 --> 01:48:56.280
Tad Eggleston: You know, the whole thing goes up in flames.

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01:48:56.540 --> 01:49:02.510
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I still remember. And I it's 1 of my favorite action movies.

1433
01:49:04.280 --> 01:49:08.359
Tad Eggleston: But even the 1st time I saw it I

1434
01:49:08.440 --> 01:49:13.130
Tad Eggleston: had a pretty big problem with the premise. Have you seen Kingsman? I assume.

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01:49:13.130 --> 01:49:13.929
Bryce: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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01:49:14.480 --> 01:49:18.669
Tad Eggleston: So. So here's my question. If you're only taking

1437
01:49:18.940 --> 01:49:22.090
Tad Eggleston: the leaders and the rich people to keep them safe

1438
01:49:23.090 --> 01:49:25.609
Tad Eggleston: once the rest of the world has killed itself

1439
01:49:25.800 --> 01:49:31.260
Tad Eggleston: to, to cut down on population. And and yes, you've solved the environmental problem.

1440
01:49:33.270 --> 01:49:39.260
Tad Eggleston: What's going to happen when you run out of food.

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01:49:39.420 --> 01:49:42.020
Bryce: Yeah, right.

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01:49:42.310 --> 01:49:45.479
Tad Eggleston: I didn't see you saving any farmers, lives.

1443
01:49:46.460 --> 01:49:52.740
Tad Eggleston: or even any cooks lives. So how many of the people that you saved know how to cook themselves a meal.

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01:49:53.230 --> 01:49:57.120
Bryce: No, it's it's it's this, you know. It's the Ayn Rand

1445
01:49:57.400 --> 01:50:00.450
Bryce: sort of philosophy, you know, that's like

1446
01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:06.749
Bryce: that objectivism that's kind of seeped into so many people's brains, and

1447
01:50:06.770 --> 01:50:09.569
Bryce: they what they all miss is that

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01:50:10.630 --> 01:50:24.220
Bryce: you cannot divorce yourself from the rest of the human race, and put yourself on an ivory tower, an island, whatever the moon, whatever it never will work, the rest of the human race will be there, and if you kill the rest of the human race. You're screwed, too.

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Bryce: So it's like it doesn't work. This. I only am for me. Thing doesn't work.

1450
01:50:29.860 --> 01:50:30.480
Tad Eggleston: Or.

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01:50:30.480 --> 01:50:31.350
Bryce: Long term.

1452
01:50:31.620 --> 01:50:41.749
Tad Eggleston: Like the only way it can work whatsoever is. If you are a farmer and and like literally

1453
01:50:42.700 --> 01:50:54.909
Tad Eggleston: create a a space for yourself where you are, 100% self-sufficient. Build your own house, fix your own shit. You don't get electricity. If you want electricity, you need other people

1454
01:50:54.910 --> 01:50:59.540
Tad Eggleston: rate it. You don't get a car. If you want a car, you need other people.

1455
01:50:59.540 --> 01:51:04.170
Bryce: Yeah. But I guess what I always say then, is what stops someone from taking that from you.

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01:51:04.530 --> 01:51:04.970
Tad Eggleston: Nothing.

1457
01:51:04.970 --> 01:51:05.380
Bryce: Trying to.

1458
01:51:05.380 --> 01:51:06.040
Tad Eggleston: Nothing.

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01:51:06.140 --> 01:51:06.780
Bryce: So nothing.

1460
01:51:06.780 --> 01:51:12.130
Bryce: you know. If you are the person who's living the perfect life, there's always going to be somebody knocking at the door.

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01:51:12.130 --> 01:51:14.559
Tad Eggleston: Who could? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1462
01:51:14.650 --> 01:51:16.539
Tad Eggleston: No. Much better to like.

1463
01:51:16.750 --> 01:51:21.570
Bryce: Care for each other. Yes, I think that that's actually the key to good society. Right?

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01:51:21.910 --> 01:51:26.330
Bryce: Yeah. No one's trying to like storm the gates when everybody's taken care of.

1465
01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:35.159
Tad Eggleston: Right. There's so much less motivation to to like storm the gates when your basic needs are met.

1466
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Tad Eggleston: I'm not saying that there will be no bad actors.

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01:51:38.850 --> 01:51:39.410
Bryce: Right.

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01:51:41.060 --> 01:51:41.890
Tad Eggleston: But

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Tad Eggleston: it seems to me that there are 2 sets of bad actors in the world. They're the bad actors that just want to dominate other people. And those are those billionaires that like need more, even though they already have more than they and their families can spend in the next 10 lifetimes.

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Tad Eggleston: and there are those who are just trying to survive.

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Bryce: Yep.

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Tad Eggleston: Those are your primary bad actors.

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01:52:12.340 --> 01:52:16.905
Bryce: And so get the ones that are just trying to survive out by helping them.

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01:52:18.540 --> 01:52:21.429
Tad Eggleston: And that might cut down on the billionaires

1475
01:52:21.450 --> 01:52:24.610
Tad Eggleston: because you're taking from them. To begin with.

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01:52:24.610 --> 01:52:25.990
Bryce: Yeah, which is okay.

1477
01:52:26.620 --> 01:52:30.890
Tad Eggleston: It is, it's well, and and maybe it makes them more human again.

1478
01:52:30.890 --> 01:52:38.169
Bryce: Right right? Because they're now having to deal with other human beings instead of just playing a game of accruing more wealth.

1479
01:52:38.380 --> 01:52:39.100
Tad Eggleston: Right.

1480
01:52:39.100 --> 01:52:39.690
Bryce: Which is.

1481
01:52:39.690 --> 01:52:42.329
Tad Eggleston: Right. They might have to go to the grocery store themselves.

1482
01:52:42.330 --> 01:52:43.860
Bryce: Yeah, right, right.

1483
01:52:44.540 --> 01:52:51.980
Tad Eggleston: Might treat a maid badly and have her go. I quit rather than firing them.

1484
01:52:54.140 --> 01:52:57.769
Tad Eggleston: you know, because they know that I don't actually need this job.

1485
01:52:57.890 --> 01:52:59.699
Tad Eggleston: I can go find another shop.

1486
01:53:00.370 --> 01:53:06.313
Tad Eggleston: I feel comfortable, you know. A friend of a friend.

1487
01:53:07.030 --> 01:53:10.260
Tad Eggleston: is like a high end. High-end wedding planner.

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01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:10.950
Bryce: Hmm.

1489
01:53:10.950 --> 01:53:14.570
Tad Eggleston: You know. He does like

1490
01:53:15.430 --> 01:53:27.170
Tad Eggleston: like the low end of a wedding. That he plans is like 50 grand right, and the high end is like hundreds of thousands of dollars, but he literally has a

1491
01:53:33.320 --> 01:53:37.130
Tad Eggleston: I forget exactly what he calls it, but essentially a be nice clause.

1492
01:53:37.130 --> 01:53:37.700
Bryce: Hmm.

1493
01:53:37.700 --> 01:53:39.140
Tad Eggleston: In his contract.

1494
01:53:41.030 --> 01:53:43.100
Bryce: If they're not nice, then he can just walk.

1495
01:53:43.580 --> 01:53:49.360
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that that like, there are circumstances where, where he not only can he walk.

1496
01:53:50.040 --> 01:53:53.679
Tad Eggleston: but he is owed for all work done to that point.

1497
01:53:53.970 --> 01:53:56.259
Tad Eggleston: and and a walk fee.

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01:53:56.260 --> 01:53:57.570
Bryce: Wow! Wow!

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01:53:57.990 --> 01:53:58.960
Bryce: It's a great.

1500
01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:01.309
Tad Eggleston: And he has enough

1501
01:54:01.450 --> 01:54:09.030
Tad Eggleston: like he says it's literally the the part of his contract that he has the most people

1502
01:54:09.350 --> 01:54:11.180
Tad Eggleston: trying to get taken out.

1503
01:54:12.170 --> 01:54:13.749
Tad Eggleston: He's like no fuck you.

1504
01:54:14.030 --> 01:54:21.460
Tad Eggleston: but he says he's been offered an extra extra 100 grand to take it out. It's like, No, wow!

1505
01:54:22.166 --> 01:54:27.879
Tad Eggleston: You really you would rather pay me an extra $100,000,

1506
01:54:28.260 --> 01:54:30.400
Tad Eggleston: then treat me like a human being.

1507
01:54:30.980 --> 01:54:31.520
Bryce: Yeah.

1508
01:54:31.780 --> 01:54:33.030
Tad Eggleston: I don't need the money. That bad.

1509
01:54:33.030 --> 01:54:34.009
Bryce: That's like.

1510
01:54:34.500 --> 01:54:39.639
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. You just told me all I need to know. You can hire somebody else.

1511
01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:42.710
Bryce: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's brilliant. That's brilliant.

1512
01:54:43.430 --> 01:54:46.739
Tad Eggleston: Well, and it's great that he's in a position where he can.

1513
01:54:48.320 --> 01:54:51.439
Tad Eggleston: you know. Cause I think that's the biggest reason that that.

1514
01:54:51.670 --> 01:54:54.089
Bryce: That a certain class of people wants.

1515
01:54:55.090 --> 01:54:57.570
Tad Eggleston: To to grow, the gap.

1516
01:54:58.356 --> 01:55:00.409
Bryce: So that they can treat everyone that way.

1517
01:55:00.410 --> 01:55:03.860
Tad Eggleston: Right. I mean, it took me so long to figure out

1518
01:55:04.180 --> 01:55:09.449
Tad Eggleston: why Big Business wasn't in favor of universal health care. You'd think it would be good for them.

1519
01:55:09.450 --> 01:55:10.170
Bryce: Yeah.

1520
01:55:10.170 --> 01:55:13.760
Tad Eggleston: And then I realized, Oh, but then you can switch jobs easier.

1521
01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:16.969
Bryce: Yes, that's the one thing they like about it is having us trapped.

1522
01:55:17.090 --> 01:55:19.260
Bryce: Yep, so true.

1523
01:55:20.310 --> 01:55:21.999
Tad Eggleston: You can switch jobs easier.

1524
01:55:22.389 --> 01:55:22.779
Bryce: Yeah.

1525
01:55:22.780 --> 01:55:26.209
Tad Eggleston: Which means they don't have to pay you as well, and they don't have to treat you as well.

1526
01:55:26.210 --> 01:55:26.750
Bryce: Right.

1527
01:55:26.970 --> 01:55:27.840
Bryce: You're trapped.

1528
01:55:29.250 --> 01:55:36.790
Tad Eggleston: Money they spend on your health care is actually like huge. It is huge savings for them because

1529
01:55:37.850 --> 01:55:39.050
Tad Eggleston: you're trapped.

1530
01:55:39.240 --> 01:55:44.639
Bryce: Yeah, it's a it's a very, you know. I I don't know I've ever

1531
01:55:44.740 --> 01:55:47.469
Bryce: thought of it in that context, you know about.

1532
01:55:47.470 --> 01:55:48.769
Tad Eggleston: Me forever to come.

1533
01:55:48.770 --> 01:55:50.540
Bryce: But but you're right.

1534
01:55:51.100 --> 01:55:57.139
Tad Eggleston: But but you know, and since then, anytime I start hearing a right winger talk to me about

1535
01:55:58.710 --> 01:56:03.599
Tad Eggleston: you know that being Socialism, I'll start talking about freedom, aren't you in favor of freedom?

1536
01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:05.160
Bryce: So true.

1537
01:56:05.160 --> 01:56:08.580
Tad Eggleston: Universal health care makes you free to work where you want.

1538
01:56:08.580 --> 01:56:09.080
Bryce: Yeah.

1539
01:56:09.630 --> 01:56:14.530
Bryce: And and it oh, man, you know, like entrepreneurship is is

1540
01:56:14.630 --> 01:56:20.829
Bryce: muted so much by healthcare in this country, and the fear people have of like. Oh.

1541
01:56:20.950 --> 01:56:24.933
Bryce: I can't take that risk, because if I get sick I could die.

1542
01:56:25.410 --> 01:56:28.029
Tad Eggleston: Entrepreneurship, artistic jobs.

1543
01:56:29.110 --> 01:56:31.679
Tad Eggleston: All sorts of things are completely.

1544
01:56:32.390 --> 01:56:34.985
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

1545
01:56:35.860 --> 01:56:38.579
Tad Eggleston: But you have given me.

1546
01:56:39.030 --> 01:56:59.660
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you give me 2 h of fun conversation that's gone all over the place like it always does. Yeah, let's bring it. Let's bring it back to comics to wrap up my favorite question to ask, and you've answered it many times before. I don't remember what you said in the past, so you might give me the same answers. You might give me new answers. Who knows?

1547
01:57:00.200 --> 01:57:02.740
Tad Eggleston: Tell me something you love, preferably a comic

1548
01:57:02.850 --> 01:57:05.170
Tad Eggleston: that you need more people to experience

1549
01:57:05.210 --> 01:57:09.320
Tad Eggleston: so that you can talk to them about it. And who knows. Maybe I'll decide that we should book club it.

1550
01:57:10.170 --> 01:57:10.850
Bryce: Okay.

1551
01:57:12.086 --> 01:57:12.640
Tad Eggleston: I I

1552
01:57:12.640 --> 01:57:21.419
Tad Eggleston: do remember the 1st one you said your 1st one, you said wasn't a comic, and I did wind up reading it. It was the John Ronson book, the. So you've been publicly shamed. Yeah.

1553
01:57:21.590 --> 01:57:22.010
Bryce: Yeah.

1554
01:57:22.010 --> 01:57:24.309
Tad Eggleston: Way back because you were.

1555
01:57:24.310 --> 01:57:24.750
Bryce: For some.

1556
01:57:24.750 --> 01:57:30.480
Tad Eggleston: Weren't you like? I think you were like our 3rd or 4th interview. You go way back with this show.

1557
01:57:30.970 --> 01:57:34.419
Bryce: It was back when I was on Twitter, and we were able to meet, I think, on Twitter.

1558
01:57:34.420 --> 01:57:39.789
Tad Eggleston: Because, yeah, I mean, you realize that we're like 206 interview episodes. Now.

1559
01:57:39.790 --> 01:57:42.210
Bryce: I saw that you were up to 200. I saw that.

1560
01:57:42.210 --> 01:57:48.580
Tad Eggleston: We're we're over 500 overall episodes. Wow, yeah, it's crazy.

1561
01:57:49.470 --> 01:57:52.240
Tad Eggleston: And some of them have even been listened to.

1562
01:57:52.950 --> 01:57:54.439
Bryce: I will tell you. Okay, I.

1563
01:57:55.350 --> 01:57:55.790
Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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01:57:55.790 --> 01:57:59.679
Bryce: You got me thinking now about non comics when you brought up John Ronson.

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01:57:59.790 --> 01:58:01.690
Tad Eggleston: Recently, I.

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Bryce: Was delighted to read a bunch of James Thurber stories

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Bryce: the Thurber Carnival, which is a nice compilation that you could get, for, like.

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Bryce: you know, paper backup for like 8 bucks, and it's just like

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Bryce: the cream of his career, both his writing and his drawing.

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Bryce: And it is kind of comics.

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Tad Eggleston: Means. It's not entirely non comic.

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Bryce: It is kind of, because Thurber has tons.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: Comics in his book. So there you go. The Thurber Carnival is is fantastic. It's it's.

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Tad Eggleston: I haven't read enough. Thurber.

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Bryce: Really like wonderful whimsy, you know, like like.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Bryce: Which we don't get enough of. I don't think in modern writing or or arts, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: I think we do sometimes. I mean, there are books like my bad.

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Bryce: Thank you. Thank you.

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Tad Eggleston: It's like.

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Bryce: What a transition!

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

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Bryce: But yeah, it's great whimsy. It's great fun if you need a smile in these dark times.

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Tad Eggleston: For that matter. This is why I love. We talked about it briefly earlier. This is why I love Mr. Invincible so much, and I highly recommend that you go check it out from magnetic press

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Tad Eggleston: is is cause, you know. I mean, he's he's not even like an athletic superhero. He's like this, this

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Tad Eggleston: overweight, middle aged guys that can reach between panels.

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Bryce: Yeah, that's that's all you need.

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Bryce: That's all you need. One good trick.

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Tad Eggleston: He can travel by phone, because, you know, when you call somebody, the next panel is them answering, and he could just walk into it.

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Bryce: Yeah. Now, does. He does just do flashbacks. Can you travel through time? Then through.

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Tad Eggleston: Think so. I mean, they do all sorts of fun stuff with it. It's really just and completely whimsical.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean.

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Bryce: Another.

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Tad Eggleston: Can't recommend that book enough.

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Bryce: Most recent thing I read that I thought was fantastic again, not comics.

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Bryce: Cory. Doctorow has a short story like 20 pages online, called car wars, and it is just

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Bryce: the thought experiment of what if every car in the world was now autonomous, driverless car?

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Bryce: What do.

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Tad Eggleston: And they went to war.

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Bryce: What does that one thing do to like all society? And it's 8 little interconnected vignettes. Very, very good. I highly recommend it. You can find it online for free and read it. Car Wars, by Kari Corey, Dr.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay, I might have to check that out.

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Bryce: Yeah, good stuff. Good stuff.

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Bryce: You know, one of those things where like, like, you know it.

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Bryce: The the kind of sci-fi that I think I love the most is once where you sit, and you think about this one thing. You know this one change. What does it do?

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Tad Eggleston: All right.

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Bryce: What does it do to our world? And it's.

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Tad Eggleston: You step on the butterfly, and you wind up with the wrong President.

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Bryce: Exactly. Yes, yes.

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Tad Eggleston: Actually, I think I figured out what happened time travel has been discovered. Somebody stepped on a butterfly.

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Bryce: Yes.

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Tad Eggleston: They man.

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Bryce: They left, and it was like President Bernie Sanders, and they came back, and it was.

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Tad Eggleston: Right! Oh, God!

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Bryce: Well, it's been great talking to you again, Ted.

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Tad Eggleston: Bryce, it's always great talking to you. We need to do it more. My brother went and moved up to Seattle, so.

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Bryce: So I won't even see him in the neighborhood. I guess.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, so I won't manage to get out to Portland and crash with my brother. But it's still on my list. I know enough people in Portland that I might be able to find somebody to crash with. And or, you know, maybe we stop living

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Tad Eggleston: completely paycheck to paycheck sometime in the next decade or so, and and I could actually afford to come out and

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Tad Eggleston: rent space right.

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Bryce: Like an Airbnb or something. Yeah, there's some cool areas.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean to a certain extent, sometimes it's actually.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's weird sometimes how cheap it is. But that's also why housing is so expensive.

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Bryce: Yes, right? Right? Because so many people are using.

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Tad Eggleston: Because because even if your Airbnb is only $40 a night.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: That's $1,200 a month.

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Tad Eggleston: So, if.

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Bryce: The most.

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Tad Eggleston: If it's the size that you could only get $600 a month for you just doubled it. If you can manage to book it every night, and you don't have to book it every night

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Tad Eggleston: to make it even.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: You know.

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Bryce: Yeah, so, true.

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Tad Eggleston: You know. I mean that that's like that's the one thing that that I didn't hear Kamala talk about when she was talking about. More housing is like.

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Tad Eggleston: If we created more rules about rental housing, you'd get more housing.

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Bryce: Yeah, I, think, yeah, I think.

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Tad Eggleston: It's not that the houses aren't there?

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Bryce: I think some of that stuff, you know, that.

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Tad Eggleston: It. It's the equity has gotten so involved.

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Bryce: Talk about. They were probably scared for to talk about some of those subjects which I think is one of the problems with

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Bryce: the Democratic party.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, you know i, 1 of the guests on this show, was running for Governor of of

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Tad Eggleston: Montana, so you know. Unfortunately, he did not win.

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Tad Eggleston: but you know, when I shot him a note not long after he announced, one of the things I said is.

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Tad Eggleston: there's not a good way to put this. But

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Tad Eggleston: Republicans prey on their audience being stupid.

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Tad Eggleston: and and Democrats are so afraid of their audience thinking that they're treating them like they're stupid that they're not willing to teach them anything.

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Bryce: Yeah, that's a great way to summarize it. Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Don't be afraid to teach.

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Bryce: Yeah, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Not everybody understands economic theory. So I mean, they should have been teaching more about tariffs.

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Bryce: Yeah, yeah. Like the way the good liars did that I described earlier.

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Tad Eggleston: Right they should have been teaching more about, I mean.

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Tad Eggleston: and it's hard in a in a society that wants the 30 second sound bite and blah blah, I mean. No, it's not easy. But

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Tad Eggleston: but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

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Tad Eggleston: you know, because not everybody, not everybody, knows everything. Nor should they be expected to? And most people aren't actually offended when you teach them things. If you do it.

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Bryce: Without condensation, without condensation.

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Tad Eggleston: Right without condescension.

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Bryce: Yeah. Glad to cinch. That's what I meant.

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Tad Eggleston: Condensation is, is.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Is water condescension right?

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Tad Eggleston: If you're not condescending to them. If you're not talking down to them, if you're not telling them they're stupid because they don't know if you're acknowledging that it's it's hard, and it may not be part of their everyday life, that sort of thing

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Tad Eggleston: and for that matter that you know this. Have you read much, Richard Feynman?

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Bryce: Little bit. Yeah, I love Richard Feynman. Very smart smart guy.

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Tad Eggleston: One of the things that I love the most about him

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Tad Eggleston: is, he said, something along the lines of If you can't reduce it to a freshman level class.

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Tad Eggleston: That means you don't understand it. That well.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: You know one of the things.

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Tad Eggleston: There are 2 things that the right has gotten away with all of my life.

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Tad Eggleston: and getting away with the one, I think, is what made them brazen with the other, because all of my life they've gotten away with. Oh, it's very complicated.

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Tad Eggleston: Just trust us.

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Bryce: Right.

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Tad Eggleston: But getting away with that for so long is how they now get away with just blatantly lying, because you won't check.

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Bryce: Yep.

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Tad Eggleston: You know. It's not complicated. Why trickle down? Economics doesn't work.

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Bryce: No, not at all.

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Tad Eggleston: Not complicated at all. No rich people spend money to make money.

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Tad Eggleston: which means that they spend money. If if there's going to be a buyer.

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Tad Eggleston: The buyers are the poor people.

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Tad Eggleston: If you have poor people, and you have rich people, and you give the rich people more money, they won't spend that money, because the poor people don't have money to spend on the things that the rich people might spend that money on.

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Bryce: So true.

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Tad Eggleston: Everybody tries to to

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Tad Eggleston: everybody, focuses with with Keynes on the idea of in a good economy the government should pull back, and on a bad economy, the government should spend more. And there's truth.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's definitely something that he gave. And there's a lot of truth to that and whatnot. But that wasn't the biggest

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Tad Eggleston: biggest economic idea that Keynes brought to the forefront, and and his bigger idea tends to get ignored because it it's

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Tad Eggleston: difficult when it comes to all of their modeling. And that's that workers and consumers are the same people.

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Bryce: Very. There, there you go now you've you've lowered it down below 9th grade, and I think that's right.

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Tad Eggleston: Workers and consumers are the same people.

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Bryce: So true.

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Bryce: Yep.

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Tad Eggleston: You're paying the workers less than the consumers have less money.

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Tad Eggleston: It's why, you know, they always try to use the the

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Tad Eggleston: the supply and demand curve as why as why

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Tad Eggleston: minimum wage laws will lead to lower employment.

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Tad Eggleston: And it's like, no, because the workers are making more money, which means the workers can spend more money.

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Bryce: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Which will increase employment. Yeah.

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Bryce: Not.

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Bryce: Yeah. But.

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Tad Eggleston: You can believe your lion eyes, or you can believe somebody what somebody's telling them, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: You know, or or we could treat. We could teach logic.

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Bryce: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of things we can.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, math is supposed to be logic, but we teach it so horribly.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: don't even get me started on how badly we teach it at the low grades, but even in high school half the time nobody teaches it in a language.

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Bryce: No, and how to use it and apply it right? Right?

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Bryce: Thinking, yeah. So.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Bryce: I have to. I gotta.

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Tad Eggleston: Those are. Those are other conversations. So for Bryce, England, this has been 22 panels. We will see you after the next page.