Bonus Episode: With Great Power #207...22 Panels with Brit Payne

Tad is joined by animation attorney Brit Payne to discuss Autism, comics, and introduce our new book club - Brit's Cabinet.

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Tad Eggleston: So good afternoon, everybody welcome back to 22 panels. My guest today is Britton Payne Britt. What? What what title should we use for you because you here.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: BRIT.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: What that title.

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Tad Eggleston: No, no, I meant like I normally will describe people as a writer of this or that, or the editor of this or that, and and like, I will absolutely describe you as the guy that runs autism panels at various cons. But that's not really a title.

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Tad Eggleston: But but you're not really here in your official capacity. So I don't know what you want to be. And this matters for when I start promoting the episode, too. So we'll just talk about it on air rather than after.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Sure, that's an interesting question. Well, yeah. So I think they all sort of dovetail. I'm a long time comics. Fan. I've been a collector since 1970. I don't know five-ish or something like that, and very consistently, except for you know that dark night when you give up for your latter teenage years and come back in your early twenties.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: But otherwise I've been a consistent Wednesday warrior, and I got a job after law school working for eventually, where I am now nickelodeon and paramount, where I'm an animation attorney

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: for nickelodeon and Paramount's animated mostly series. And they're made for TV movies. But because I have that name on my business card. I am able to leverage that into other things, including speaking at comic cons.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: and because of my son's autistic, and he's 10 years old, and you sort of learn a lot of stuff, and you have a sense of wanting to share and help, and the things that you can share and where you can help. I've taken to trying to speak at comic cons and various other places about autism and comics, autism and pop culture. And specifically, in trying to be an advocate

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: for the creation of more explicitly autistic characters in kids television. So

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: that's my project that I'm working on, and I guess that's a chunk of why I'm here, and that's how I met you.

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Tad Eggleston: Right. And that answers the follow up question, which is why you're here. But the question is, what titles should we use when we're promoting.

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Tad Eggleston: Should we call you Vp. Legal at paramount? Do do you keep them out of it?

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: You could say animation. Attorney, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: Animation. Attorney, I like that.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah, okay, that keeps them out of cause I you're right. I'm not here.

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Tad Eggleston: Everybody will think you're Harvey Birdman.

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Tad Eggleston: That's perfectly fair. I.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I would happily.

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Tad Eggleston: Where the sure I'll put up for you rather than

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Tad Eggleston: because I try. I finally put together. I don't know if you you pay attention to us on Instagram at all, finally put together graphics that I've been using to promote the episodes. But I prefer

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Tad Eggleston: to put.

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Tad Eggleston: I put like a

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Tad Eggleston: issue cover, and then I prefer to put a drawing of the artist, which for artists is generally easy, because they have like self portraits somewhere that I can find Tom King just I just put his batman drawing up instead of his face, and I don't know if you've ever seen Tom King's art, but it's special.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I've seen the covers of Danger Street, and I heard you chit chatting with him about it, and I actually even know the price that he puts on his original art, and I know why he puts the high price on it.

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Tad Eggleston: That was from a previous conversation.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Is it? Well, I.

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Tad Eggleston: So long.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I heard it. I heard it just the other day, and it was a it was a very fun conversation you had with Tom King, and he's he's fun to listen to. And you're

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: yeah. No. Did you listen to the new one? It dropped like this week.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. Talk to him Monday night. Okay.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: you talked to him Monday night, and then I heard it what Thursday, I guess, and today's Friday.

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Tad Eggleston: Gotcha.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. Man.

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Tad Eggleston: This is why we say Hi, Brit on the air. I don't have to say Hi, Brit during this episode, because I already did.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It just go.

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Tad Eggleston: And I get to see. Get to see what he's opening as well.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: This is kind of interesting. It is interesting. So I said that my son, he's 10 years old, and he has an ultra rare genetic condition called Muckle Wells syndrome, as you would probably know as a special needs teacher. A lot of times. There are comorbidities with special needs kids. So it's not like you just have one thing you usually have. Just like most people, you have multiple things. And his thing is this anti or this autoinflammatory condition, not an autoimmune condition, autoinflammatory condition

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: for which he takes what turns out to be, I believe, rheumatoid arthritis medicine once every 6 weeks. So this is the thing.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: and he's gonna be taking.

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Tad Eggleston: And arriving.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That's his medicine. It goes right in the fridge, and then the syringes and stuff go over with all the syringes things, and the idea is that it makes it so that he should never have the symptoms of this. So it's as an autoinflammatory condition. It wears out your kidney over a very long period of time.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: because I guess your kidney is trying to process the enzymes that are about being inflamed, which never go down, or at least, are much harder to get to go down. So you have a lot more inflammatory enzymes to get processed by your kidney, and by the time you're in your forties. If you're untreated, you get kidney amyloidosis, and you die. So fortunately this medicine has been. They figured it out. But you know that's part of the process. And so that's what I was.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That's what I was just putting in the fridge.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, rats!

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: The whole reason I went downstairs was to get my drink. And now I'm going to be huffing and puffing because I'm allergic to exercise right. Now, what do you like to drink when you are podcasting.

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Tad Eggleston: Right now. I have a chocolate caramel latte.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: That I made for myself right before we started was one of the reasons I was late.

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Tad Eggleston: The new baseball season dropped on on

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Tad Eggleston: on my playstation today, and it had

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Tad Eggleston: more new content that I needed to log in my spreadsheet than I realized. And I was home

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Tad Eggleston: on a mental health day.

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Tad Eggleston: and therefore kind of had time to do it, except that it it took me more time than I realized. So so I was so happy when you texted and said you were going to be a little bit late, because I'm like

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Tad Eggleston: about to text you that I was going to be a little bit late, but my reasons weren't as good. I don't even know what your reasons are, but mine aren't as good.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I had to pick up the dog.

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Tad Eggleston: Are, I am incapable of of leaving

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Tad Eggleston: a a task in the middle.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yep. Is that hyper focus for you?

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Tad Eggleston: When it's something like data entry. That's very repetitive.

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Tad Eggleston: I can't just stop and come back. I just I have to finish it up and.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: As long as you know yourself. That's how you suffer.

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Tad Eggleston: And I could have, and might have skipped the cup of coffee if you hadn't texted me that you were running late. But since you did. I'm like I still have time to make it.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Well, good. Well, the good news for me is that this podcast interview is my mental health break.

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Tad Eggleston: There you go!

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: My wife has encouraged me to sort of cultivate my friendships with my, you know, comic book friends and and also to be more, to speak publicly, because I really enjoy getting on stage and talking and podcast interviews and such.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I wiped, and I enjoy your.

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Tad Eggleston: Cultivate my comic book, friend, friendships, too. So so we we have wives that are similar, that that.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That is 2 thumbs up for us. Then today, we're doing.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Alright. Well, do you want to get started with the my idea?

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: We can.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no. You wanted. You wanted to see how long we could go into your your cabinet of books before we came across a book that you loved, that that I hadn't read.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Okay, that's yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And I'm gonna laugh so hard if it's the 1st one you pull out.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I'm not gonna try. And like, I'm gonna treat this like learning tennis, not trying to win at tennis right.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I understand.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I want to follow.

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Tad Eggleston: Why I'm gonna laugh so hard when you pull out.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So let me let me give you a little bit of an explanation.

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Tad Eggleston: I think you always forget that I am not nearly as versed in superheroes as most comic.

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Tad Eggleston: hardcore, comic people.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Well, it's also

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: funny, too, that, like, as far as I can tell you, are you and this guy, Michael Myers, who I follow online probably are the most prolific readers of comics. And you guys both. But you in particular go deep into it. Right? So when I, as a longtime comics. Reader, I feel like, I know everything. I've read everything. And then I listen to your podcast. And be like. I didn't even know that Category of thing existed, you know. So it's been really cool to listen to what you say, and then kind of follow up on some of your recommendations.

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Tad Eggleston: Actually, this reminds me.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And and this is this is the Adhd part of autism kicking in. I don't want to forget this there is, and I'll send you a link.

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Tad Eggleston: There is a law comic.

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Tad Eggleston: The Illustrated guide to law is is Hmm.

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Tad Eggleston: Even available for free online. I would love to read it with a lawyer who can actually like.

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Tad Eggleston: Tell me if it's as good as it looks like it is, and and like they've got some blurbs from impressive places. So I'm assuming that it is. But.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So, yeah, I'll is it specifically comics in law?

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Tad Eggleston: No, it's like law. Law, law, it's like, it's like, it's like, Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I could probably.

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Tad Eggleston: You know it's not coming up right now. When it comes up I'll read you some.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay? Well, so damn that would be.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: The idea for the podcast that I was suggesting was Do Brits Cabinet. And so to sort of set the stage. When I moved into this house about 4 years ago, I finally decided that I needed to really cull my comic book collection. So I decided that the thing that brings me joy to own the physical copies of the floppy. And so I have all these cabinets that include my individual comic books, anything that was a collection trade paperback I essentially got rid of. I sold it on ebay. I donated it, you know. I gave it away to kids. I gave it away to my

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: cousin, my wife's cousin's kid, who was just getting into reading comics, and so I must have given away.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I don't know 10 long boxes worth of, you know, non floppies. But there were some that I wanted to hold on to, because they only were collected in this one form, or they're not floppies, but they're still great. And so that's what I have in this cabinet. And this is sort of the cabinet where I keep

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: what I think of as as the the jewels right, the the real gems of the collection. That meant something to me at some point. And so I'm gonna just go ahead and open this and see see what I think. I'm gonna I have 3 shelves of it.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Okay, I see where I'm gonna start. Some of these are pretty recent. I I predict I'm gonna read you these 5.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I know you've heard of one because I gave it on my presentation.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I imagine you definitely read one and you and we'll see. Okay, so the 1st one

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: is, it's on the top of the pile. I just read it. It's awesome. It's stamped from.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yes, so this is.

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Tad Eggleston: We are planning on doing a roundtable around it soon. So you just volunteered.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I sure will, I'd be happy to. And in particular.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: this is a book that, as as you, you probably know some of this, I'm telling you things you already know. But have you read the illustrated version.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's the one that I've read. I haven't actually read the physical version. I mean to read the physical version, but I haven't yet.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah, this.

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Tad Eggleston: Not as good with worms, without pictures.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Well, that was the reason that Kendi decided to engage Joel Christian Gill to illustrate this history of racism. It's called Stamp from the beginning a graphic history of racist ideas in America. It's a tremendous book. I guess we'll talk about it at the roundtable. But for anybody else who's listening and doesn't.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I do. And I've said this a few times on the podcast but most people don't listen to all the episodes. So I'm okay, repeating myself. Sometimes I saw an interview with Kendi when it came out.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: When this one came out.

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Tad Eggleston: Brilliant point I've ever heard made about just history comics in general. But he was talking about this book specifically. He's like.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't know if you've read my book, but it's kind of heavy. Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: The same interview. I think.

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Tad Eggleston: And when it comes to to prose there's really no way to lighten things without making light of things, and it's supposed to be heavy. I don't want to make light of things, but when you're doing comics you can have the weight here and the joke here, so that you have the humor and the lightness without taking away from the gravity.

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Tad Eggleston: and that is and I think so true.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's it's really true, and it's really true in the execution by Joel Christian Gill.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, Jill, cursing till is masterful.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: He's wonderful. He's got a visual style, if you're not familiar with it, that is, it's a lot like Chris Ware. It's beautiful, it's relatively simple. It's easy to follow on the eye. It's consistent, and he's got a really Joel has a really great sense of humor in the way that he writes so exactly like what you were saying. All of the heavy content is in there. It follows sort of 5 different historical figures, sequentially from I don't know the 16 hundreds.

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Tad Eggleston: Dave.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Today.

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Tad Eggleston: Makes appearances in in the past, and that's 1 of the that's

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Tad Eggleston: there are a lot of anachronisms

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Tad Eggleston: running the running jokes is Angela Davis will show up and go.

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Tad Eggleston: Hmm!

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah, well, and so will. So the characters of the day. That's 1 of the kind of cool things about what Joe Christian Gill does with it. Is he kind of like Sergio Arganez in math he will make comments on the side about the things that he is seeing. And so it is. It is you know, political. The comments are, you know, making judgments and sort of helping you learn about the content. But they are also funny. You know, he's using modern, you know, slang

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: to criticize. I don't know Booker T. Washington, or whoever it is. And it's really interesting. It does exactly what Kendi hoped. I believe it makes it more palatable. It makes it easier to read without getting too deeply depressed, so stamped from the beginning. That's a connection for us. This is the

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: you loop your finger and your pointer finger and your thumb together into a hoop, and then make 2 of them, and then interlock them and kind of poke them at each other. That's a connection. That's how my kid, when he and somebody else have something in common. He goes a connection, and he makes that gesture. So you and I, on stamp from beginning connection.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Here's the next one. It's called The Ride Together.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: a brother and sister's memoir of autism in the family. I'm guessing you do not know this one.

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Tad Eggleston: No, actually, I recommended that one to you, but I.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: You did.

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Tad Eggleston: It.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's another connection, then. So so you are the source of this one. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I haven't. I haven't finished reading it, but I came across that just after we met.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, neat! Well.

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Tad Eggleston: Sent you a.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Gave me the link.

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Tad Eggleston: Link. Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So it's a it's a it's.

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Tad Eggleston: I've read.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Like tomorrow.

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Tad Eggleston: Of it. Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's a memo.

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Tad Eggleston: Well and by the same guy, really quick, because this is how I came across it, and and then, like it, will give you the breadth of my comic stuff.

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Tad Eggleston: Paul Karaxic, who does the comics? Part of it also was the

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Tad Eggleston: co-author of how to read Nancy and the Oh, No kidding and the Co. Illustrator of

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Tad Eggleston: What's the the oh, why can't I remember it right now, David Masicelli, city of

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Tad Eggleston: City of Glass, that the adaptation of the the why can't I see? See? My brain's not working today?

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Well, while you're digging, let me do a brief description of the book, so it's called The Ride together.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but he's the co-illustrator of City of glass. The adaptation of the Paul Oster novel.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Well, here's let me tell you what it's called the ride together, and it's by Paul Karasic who you were just talking about. He's the illustrator and his sister Judy Karasic. And it's a memoir story of these people who are now, I don't know. It's a 20 year old book, and it seems largely to take place in the fifties and sixties, and it's about essentially growing up with an autistic brother in that era, and you get to learn his particular affect of the way autism affects him.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Alternating chapters are either drawn and illustrated or illustrated by Paul and written by Judy, and I'm sure that there's plenty of overlap between the 2. So you read the cartoon stuff, and then you read some prose, and then you read some more cartoons, and then you read prose. So it's half a comic book and half prose, and I found it really compelling, especially, you know, I've done a lot of speaking about, as you know, speaking about autism and pop culture, and

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: this is one that there aren't too many of them. This one does a particular slice of what it's like, sort of before the modern era of our understanding of autism. So it's pretty cool to open my eyes about that kind of stuff, all right, you ready for the next one.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: The Ojo woja by Magdalene Versaggio, who, I'm sure you know who that is, and Jen St. Ange. So this is the book.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So Magdalene versaggio is autistic, and she has written an autistic character as her lead in this story? Yeah. And I love.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah, it's a little spooky, it's a little more spooky, I think, for my daughter than she was ready for when it came out, you know, like I can show you some of the illustrations. It's a very, it's a cute style. But then occasionally it will have, you know, pages that are

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So it's really good. My daughter liked it. But but it wasn't. It was a little much for her at that age. She probably would like it now.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Sure. So the next one is called. So these are all these 3 just happen to be in the pile because I bought them as part of my presentation autism and comics, where I track every autistic character who explicitly autistic character, who has appeared in comics, and these are more the graphic novel ones rather than the superhero ones. So this is something called little victories by Yvonne Roy.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. And so I understand. Look, it's a complicated issue. I'm not the autistic person at issue. And so at some level, I don't know that I have an appropriate thing to say, but what I know I can do is sort of use my position and spoons to elbow room for the people

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: People now know better. You know in the same way that our parents were feeding us lard. You know.

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Tad Eggleston: So even if even if we might know better. Do we really know better? Or have we moved on to the newest fad treatment? And and there's still a place for it. It's just not as universal as some people made it out to be when when it was universal. You know I deal with this a lot because I'm I'm proficient at

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: He was so great, and it's such an innovative. The drawing and the writing in this book are so innovative for anybody who hasn't read it. It's among the most striking things, I think, is that there are 2 colors of ink, black and pink.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: This one is called. I am not Starfire. It's by Mariko Tamaki and Yoshi Yoshitani, and it's a beautiful book, very well regarded, but kind of like you. I haven't. I haven't read it.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: And and Sherm and oh, I forget her name now.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That was her name, anyway, it's a Charles Schultz book that just has like inspirational little quotes.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: All right, you ready for the next one. This one I have not read unless I read it digitally, but it's Harvey Picar, the quitter.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I know you know this author. It's Chunky.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Goodbye, Chunky Rice, by Craig Thompson.

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Tad Eggleston: I feel like I've read it, but I don't remember.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's you can see it's it's got a style like kids cartooning. So it's not in the blanket style, and it's not.

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Tad Eggleston: Right, right.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I it. Alan Moore is one of the people who did the blurb on the back. So that's top shelf.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's probably 25 years old, maybe 30.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Let's see.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Copyright 2,004, 20 years old, oh, 99.

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Tad Eggleston: Feel like I got it from the library once.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. It's 1 of those that it seems like people recognize that it's great. But it didn't. It didn't catch me. That's not. But I've loved his other books, which is probably why I'm holding on to it still.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I think I got this one for Free Sergeant Rock Combat Tales.

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Tad Eggleston: That I have not read.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm not big into war comics.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Len Ween swamp thing. I'm not really into horror comics, either. But

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah, I don't. I know. I've read some of these in comics, and I've read some Sergeant Rock in comics, but I have not read.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Those particular copies. Okay, so I'm going to dig to the back shop. The front shelf is all my Chris Chris Ware stuff, and that will be. Maybe that's its own episode.

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Tad Eggleston: I. If you love Chris Ware, then you need to like sell me on Chris Ware sometime, because I feel because I've read a fair amount of Chris Ware, and I don't dislike Chris Ware.

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Tad Eggleston: but I also don't feel like I've unlocked Chris Ware.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Interesting. I feel.

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Tad Eggleston: Makes sense.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Experience. Oh, totally.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I had experience with them, Rusty, the one that's the smartest boy in the world, and.

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Tad Eggleston: Jimmy Corden.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Jimmy Corgan. That's right. And I read that one so many years, 25 years ago, and there was something about it that was just so sad, and it must have resonated with.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Feeling at the time that he got me. He got me for life like it was. It just affected me that way. It got me at the right age, the right time in my life, and so he got me. So since then I've sort of amassed a collection.

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Tad Eggleston: Whereas maybe I made the mistake of reading it during one of the early periods in my life where I was actually like happy. But I felt the sadness. I just didn't get the point of the sadness, and it just kept going and going and going, and I felt like there needed to be a point to both the sadness and the reason that it was so drawn out. But I wasn't unlocking it. I've heard some things since then that make me want to reread it, and and maybe

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I just haven't yet.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Interesting. Okay, so.

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Tad Eggleston: Stories sitting around. I've got rusty Brown sitting around. I got a lot of Chris Ware.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I do, too.

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Tad Eggleston: I have.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I have strangers in Paradise.

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Tad Eggleston: I love strangers in Paradise.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah, me, too. I have the whole.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I guess these are.

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Tad Eggleston: Twice.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's so good I I don't remember if he's visited or not, but.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I love.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Have all strings.

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Tad Eggleston: In Paradise. I have the I have the big hardcovers.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: These are the ones that I was buying. I don't think.

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Tad Eggleston: Motor.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Out!

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Tad Eggleston: I think. Motor girl, though, is my favorite of his work.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I remember getting Moto girl, but I don't know that that clicked with me. American born Chinese.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Book is great. TV show is great Guy Delile.

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Tad Eggleston: TV show's really great, like.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Different from.

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Tad Eggleston: I like guide to Lyle. I haven't actually read any of his travel journals yet.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Well, this one is Pyongyang. It's a journey in North Korea, and it is essentially the story of him being the Animation Supervisor on a project that was made in North Korea, so he would have to go over there, and the part that really stuck with me is him arriving and traveling from the airport to the studio. It was in a bus or something like that, and it was on one straight road, he said.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: and then he would get there, and he'd work with the guys, and then he'd get on the bus and go back to the airport, and he came to realize, you know. As he was just seeing the normal scenes of life and supermarkets and stuff on either side of the street. As he drove down he started to realize that when he looked in the supermarket

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: it had photographs of food. It was almost like a prop.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: a prop set that he was driving past and and like as the oranges were always the same color and in the same arrangement.

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Tad Eggleston: You mean.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It was.

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Tad Eggleston: Possible that you know in in A, in a separate but but more recent thing, that, like the famous right wing reporter that decided to go to Russia to say how much greater it was than the United States

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Tad Eggleston: was only shown specific parts that had been staged for his consumption.

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Tad Eggleston: No.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That is, that is possibly the case.

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Tad Eggleston: Who would do anything, that crazy.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: His style is really gentle, I think, and the the story.

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Tad Eggleston: I love. I've read hostage, and I've read

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Tad Eggleston: I think he's got a recent one about working on a rig in Canada.

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Tad Eggleston: I haven't read that one yet, but that's.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh!

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Tad Eggleston: And he's got. He's got another one coming out

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Tad Eggleston: that we just talked about on the show, and I can't remember what it is right now.

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Tad Eggleston: But yeah, Guy Delisle does really quite fantastic work.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I have a couple of his books, but that's the one handy. Okay, please, please. By Nate Powell. Is this something? You know.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah. Please. Release.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Please. Oh, excuse me, I misread it. Please release. Yeah, it's.

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Tad Eggleston: I I don't know of all things, Nate Powell.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, do you? I don't remember it. It's from 2,006.

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Tad Eggleston: Consider Nate Nate Powell at least a friendly acquaintance.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't know if we've quite crossed over into friend.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: What are?

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Tad Eggleston: If you're listening and I'm wrong, please send me a message to tell me so.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: What are his works that have resonated with you?

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Tad Eggleston: Probably the one that actually resonates the 2 that resonate the most are save it, for later.

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Tad Eggleston: Which is his book on parenting essentially during the Trump administration.

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Tad Eggleston: And his new Punk Rock book fall through.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Hmm.

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Tad Eggleston: Really.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That thing, and then.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: His his. I recognize the name, but I don't immediately associate with any particular work, so it sounds like.

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Tad Eggleston: Like any empire, and of course his most famous work is March.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, oh, of course! Well, I've read that.

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Tad Eggleston: All 3 volumes of that are amazing, as is run.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah, I have that, too. Do you remember when the story about so March is, of course, about John Lewis, the civil rights activist who's famous for marching across the Edmund Pettus Bridge and getting assaulted, and then.

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Tad Eggleston: I have I? So one of my students, who was brilliant, but can't speak on his own

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Tad Eggleston: where where you were supposed to write as a civil rights

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Tad Eggleston: wrote this beautiful speech from the perspective of John Lewis.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Hmm.

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Tad Eggleston: And Andrew Iden, who's been on the podcast a few times I reached out to and he recorded it

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Tad Eggleston: to to be my student's voice, wow! That's awesome

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Tad Eggleston: with the class. And we threw up a picture on the the projector of of

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Tad Eggleston: Andrew, the Congressman and Nate Powell on the Edmund Pettus bridge.

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Tad Eggleston: Wow! That's awesome.

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Tad Eggleston: The recording now.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That's all.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. Well, so

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: he was. Probably he passed away not too terribly long ago. But this book was the. This graphic novel was the story essentially of his time

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: in the sixties as a civil rights activist, and he was inspired to make that book obviously by a comic book that he read when he was a kid. That was about Martin Luther King. So he has the value of the meeting.

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Tad Eggleston: Little bit. Mostly he was inspired to write that book, and we've we've talked about this extensively on 22 panels. Go back and listen to the episodes by Andrew Eiden, reminding him of that comic putting, that comic.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Right, right.

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Tad Eggleston: Hey? I'm saying, John, seriously. I think you need to write your story as a comic.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: And so he did, and then one of the cool and he's not. I don't get the impression that he grew up with comic books as a big part of his life as an adult, but he got into it enough that he was promoting it at one of the comic cons, and he lots of them. One in particular he cosplayed as himself, and he

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: where so he wore the same trench coat that he has in the comic book, and the same fedora and the same briefcase, and he had a march from, you know, one end of his con to the other end of the con cosplaying as himself. I thought that was so cool like. What a fun idea that he might have been flanked by the by, the 501, st like the the stormtrooper, you know. Charity, organization.

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Tad Eggleston: He's.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I don't remember that part, but.

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Tad Eggleston: I never! I never got to meet or talk to John Lewis, but just hearing the stories from Andrew and Nate.

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Tad Eggleston: he was truly a remark I mean, Nate told me this, and this is this is also on the air somewhere. So I'm you know this is public. Now.

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Tad Eggleston: Nate told me this story, apparently. Lewis had a sweet tooth.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, so they were always stopping for for for

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Tad Eggleston: ice cream, or he was grabbing a candy bar, or whatever.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, that's fun!

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Tad Eggleston: And you have to go back and listen to the story because Nate did it way better than I think I'm going to give justice to. But there was a night where they got back to the hotel.

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Tad Eggleston: They got back to the hotel and he went over to get a snickers ice cream bar

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Tad Eggleston: and decided to grab 2 instead.

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Tad Eggleston: and made some sort of comment. That, Nate, just you know the teaser is. I don't remember enough of the setup to be willing to do my impression of Nate doing his impression of the Congress.

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Tad Eggleston: Go back and listen to the story, because it's just. It's so wonderful and playful, and and.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That's great. Well, so is the book I mean, like, it's obviously it's a heavy subject, but it's it's breezy, and it's a it's a fun. Read. It's a super interesting.

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Tad Eggleston: Sometimes sometimes breezy.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Well, I guess that's true. It has its pros, and.

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Tad Eggleston: Nate talks about pages that made him cry to draw.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: But so that's that's what that one was. That was we were talking about me, Powell, I guess, coming off of that other book. Are you ready for the next one.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Ted Rawl. Do you remember Ted Rawl.

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Tad Eggleston: Do not know.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, wow! You're going to love him so. He's an alternative comic. His comics are often in the village voice. He's sort of a Matt Groening type. If you think about Matt Groening

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: comic strip work. This is a book called My War with Brian. It's basically about getting bullied. His experiences getting bullied as a kid. I haven't read this in so long, but obviously I cared enough about it to hold on to it. I can see the pages are a little bit yellowed. It looks like it is from 19. 0, let's see 95 ish. But let's see if I can figure out what this is.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, you know, I think I may have read the stringer.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's. It's at least 1998.

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Tad Eggleston: Because it looks like he does.

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Tad Eggleston: He does like.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So let me explain what it is. It's essentially pulling tutorial cartoons with a.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, Jackson, know them, too. So I've actually read some Ted Roll.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. His. His comics used to be in the the I'm gonna say, avant-garde the sort of

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: what used to be a hippie newspaper called the village voice. Here we go, 1998, and it really was like a Lefty publication, and he has this abrasive style, both visually and in his writing, and he which makes you feel like you're really closely in touch with his emotions, and that, I think, is the best way to read it and take it that way, not necessarily as a historical document, but as an expressive document of emotions reflecting

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: his experiences and the Times. And I find it, I found it really cool, like it's I'm not saying I like subscribe to everything he ever said, but that I liked

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: getting that window into somebody, and their particular agitated experience.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, it looks like he actually does a lot of

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Tad Eggleston: comics. Journalism like not comics journalism as in journalism about comics, but

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Tad Eggleston: jokes about in comic form. He looks like he he

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Tad Eggleston: because he's got I mean again I read his Snowden book, didn't even realize I didn't remember that it was Ted Raw, but he he wrote a book on on Edward Snowden. He wrote a book on Bernie Sanders.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, it looks like he's done a lot of

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Tad Eggleston: I mean there, there's there's 1 from 2,002 to Afghanistan and back, a graphic travel log.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, interesting! Wow! Some of those also might be collections of individual cartoons that appeared in newspapers. I just don't recall a magazine.

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Tad Eggleston: House.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Stuff like that.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So that was Ted Rawl, my war with Brian. This next 1. 0, this is the prettiest, most sweet book

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I know. You know this one? It's Leica by nico botsis.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: like, you know this book right?

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Tad Eggleston: I know it! I don't know if I've read it.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's so sweet. It's lovely. It's the story of the 1st dog in outer space. Basically. So it's like Laika is the name of the dog. It's this Russian dog that gets.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: you know, in the 19 fifties, space rates gets put in a tin can and sent into outer space. So it's it's the story of a dog. It's super cute.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Eisner, Award Winner. It was publishers, weekly publishers, weekly. Best book of the year. So it did. It did, really? Well, it's for

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's a young adult. Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Kirkus gave it a young adult award.

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Tad Eggleston: An adult.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Let's see one. Here was.

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Tad Eggleston: In 2,014, 2,004. 0, God!

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Tad Eggleston: Just as I was getting back into comics.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Okay?

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: And it's published by 1st second, which I feel like is a new.

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Tad Eggleston: I love. First, st second.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: 1st second's been around for at least that long, but they do a lot of ya and a lot of nonfiction. They have what they call the World Citizen Line. That does a lot of comics. There's 1 called Fault Lines in the Constitution that, like

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Tad Eggleston: takes you through both the history of the writing of the Constitution and some of the

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Tad Eggleston: the compromises, and or push it down the line. Things that were done at the time, and.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Right.

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Tad Eggleston: How they have resonated throughout the future.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oof! What's that? One called again.

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Tad Eggleston: Fault lines in our constitution. It's actually another adaptation of a prose book.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Cool. I'll have to. When I re-listen to this, podcast I'll have to do it with a pencil and write down some of your.

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Tad Eggleston: Well.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: These are great.

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Tad Eggleston: I have started doing show notes again.

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Tad Eggleston: No, you told me

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Tad Eggleston: I have been. I have been opening up tabs for all of these, so they will be in the show notes with links. But fault lines in our it was Cynthia and Sanford Levinson are the authors, and Ali Schwed is the

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Tad Eggleston: the illustrator illustrator.

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Tad Eggleston: I have so graphic novel.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Shortly.

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Tad Eggleston: The entire world citizen Line. I mean, I'm just gonna read you some titles from the World Citizen Line, because you're going to be all over it.

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Tad Eggleston: entire world, citizen line, we've got born in the U.S.A. Story of immigration and belonging

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Tad Eggleston: a fire hose of falsehood, the story of disinformation. Why the People the case for democracy on Rig.

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Tad Eggleston: How to fix our Broken Democracy Fault Lines in the Constitution they adapted what unites us. Dan Rather's Reflections on patriotism, re constitution.

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Tad Eggleston: which is a look at constitution or constitutions around the world, and how other nations that like started with ours as a foundation, but also were able to learn from how things went here, and in other countries

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Tad Eggleston: did things differently. Free speech handbook.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That's amazing. Well, so I have to.

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Tad Eggleston: Big fan of first, st second.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Good good for them. All right. I have a book that I'm almost positive this one. I put money down that you don't know. It's a hardbound copy of a collection of cartoons that I only knew to appear online. And I followed them. And it was back in the dial up days. So I would wait and wait and wait for a new one to come out. It's called Shutterbug Follies.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: By Jason Little.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah, this this one is one of these things like I don't know.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I don't have like the print run was, but it might.

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Tad Eggleston: Jason, Little Rings, Bell.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So this is a story, basically of a young woman named BEE. If I remember right.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: 2,002. Although I think this is a collection of comics that would have appeared prior to that. And it's a story of this young woman trying to sort of find her way in the world, and she's a i think it's called Shutterbug Follies, because she's a photographer.

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Tad Eggleston: Yep.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: And so it's kind of the very mundane. As I recall adventures that she had. So it was a. It was kind of like

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: alternative comics at the time, you know, this would have been this would have been born of the late nineties. So it was in the slice of it's in the slice of life sort of category of comics. And I think the graphics. It's very colorful, and it's got it doesn't look like Chris Ware, but it has that sort of simplified

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: art style, but nonetheless feels

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: innovative, and I just remember really liking it and wondering. I felt like I was seeing a new form of storytelling. Because I probably was. I think he was doing digital comics. I think these were digital before. That was the whole way of doing things I'm going to do 2 more.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: both of which are categories and

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: And then maybe we can call that round one of Brits Cabinet

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: because we're coming up on an hour. Okay, so these are.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean I'll go longer than that if you want to. Whatever.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I would rather.

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Tad Eggleston: 2 and a half hour.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Do another, one.

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Tad Eggleston: Political cartoonist recently.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I'm sure we could. But part of it is that my family is gonna be coming home soon. The dog.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, have responsibilities.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I do, I do. Well, listen. Speaking of kids and responsibilities. If you want to introduce your kids to comics, they're these wonderful square, bound books. This one's called my 1st Superman book, and these are pop up books that have textures, and they have little things that you can do. So. This is the X-ray Vision page, where you can sort of see it reveals something they are based on. Essentially, they're just square bound books for young young kids like under 3.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. And then you would read to your kid, and they would, but it introduces them to their bodies using the Jose, Luis Garcia, Lopez, and others.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, nice!

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: The artwork that is considered, you know, like what you put in a lunchbox if you license it.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: okay.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Book. Recently that was published of all that stuff. I had an early copy of it because I used to work at Warner Brothers. Animation, not early copy. I had a bootleg.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Because I work at a Warner Brothers. Animation. This. So I'm just showing my 1st batman book, Superheroes, ABC. 1, 2, 3. My 1st book of girl power. Even superheroes need sleep. It's designed to help you convince your kid that it's time to go to bed.

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Tad Eggleston: Looks like there are are at least 1415. 0, no, there's a there are 2 collections.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow! Can be purchased.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: But they're they're they're really well manufactured. I mean, my kids are now 10, and so I've had these books for 8 years or so so I don't know if they're still print or anything like that.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: What's that? Oh, a cookbook? Yeah, I think they.

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Tad Eggleston: Simon and Schuster, the superheroes, opposites, busybodies, 1st dictionary supervillains, sleep.

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Tad Eggleston: Superheroes have friends too.

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Tad Eggleston: Big book of superpowers, big book of girl power.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So as an adult who grew up with that style, like those, are what comic books look like in the seventies, and when some.

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Tad Eggleston: Superhero math and tech.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yep. Oh, tech! I didn't know that one.

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Tad Eggleston: Damn so superheroes have feelings, too, and it's not written by Tom King. Why.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So they're really good books. I enjoyed them as like a way of introducing my kids.

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Tad Eggleston: Irish, Science.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: They introduced my kids to the superheroes that I liked, and who had the look that I liked.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: You know, as they get older they get their own versions of things that they like. But I don't know as as a parent of, you know, Gen. X. Parent. They these were the books, these books.

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Tad Eggleston: Christmas is around the corner, and I have grandkids that are the right age for this. So you know.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: A good one.

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Tad Eggleston: Thank you.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: All right. So here's the last one. I'm also almost positive you don't know this one. It is probably I'm going to guess it's a manga series called Eagle

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: by Kaji Kawaguchi. And

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: this text is too small for me to be able to tell what year. But it's gotta be 1994 Ish, wait a minute. I can see it now.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I need better light. Oh, I'm sorry. This is making for bad podcasting. Okay. It's around the year 2,000, and it was sort of inspired by the Clinton Presidential.

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Tad Eggleston: And Asian American President.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yep, the making of an Asian American President. So it's a manga about, you know. Kind of a West Wingy book about an Asian American, I think, Senator, who ends up running for President.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: and it's very much of the.

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Tad Eggleston: This is like. So up my alley.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's very west, Wingy. I don't know how well it aged. I read it relatively close to when it came out.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: so I have no idea. It's gonna seem quaint to you, I'm sure, because it's like, Oh, no, if they catch me chewing bubble gum, I'm not gonna be able to be president.

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Tad Eggleston: See I miss those days so much, though so.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Maybe it will have that value. Then.

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Tad Eggleston: This is why I still watch the west wing.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, do you remember when when you know, having an undocumented Nanny was was grounds for for not being nominated.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I know who you're talking about.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: That was when and Clinton was trying to name his Attorney General, and he started with Laney, I think, and then she got blasted, and then they he nominated his second one, and I think she had like he worked in a Playboy club, or something like that, for like a minute when she was trying to pay for college, and then that booted her out, and it ended up being Janet Reno became the Attorney General. Because essentially, oh, yeah. And then the nanny one was, I think, that might have been her real problem, but not not

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I'm wishing.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. And that's how we got.

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Tad Eggleston: Now we have Russian puppets and sex traffickers and and and

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Tad Eggleston: and and absolute quackery conspiracy theorists that just happen to have famous last names. That's how you make a cabinet right.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I guess. So we have a we have a spoiler alert in my house where we're not. We've we've we've unplugged.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I understand.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I have casually been following, and decided not to get every twist and turn.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I will say.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: What you were saying is.

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Tad Eggleston: The sex right now.

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Tad Eggleston: The sex trafficker has decided that

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Tad Eggleston: he doesn't want to be a distraction, so he's removed his name from consideration.

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Tad Eggleston: not because he, he like, has any remorse or anything like that. And and

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Tad Eggleston: ironically, right after it became clear that the that the Congressional

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Tad Eggleston: Hr. Report would would come out if he.

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Tad Eggleston: if he actually went through a confirmation hearing.

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Tad Eggleston: He doesn't want to be distraction to the important work being done.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Don't worry. I'm sure he was able to extract a promise in exchange for him dropping out so he'll be fine if in just in case you were worried.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm I'm positive I'm positive. I mean, until a new announcement was made only a few hours later, I actually was assuming that it was another pump fake. Yeah, I'm a distraction right now. So I'm totally not going to be the Attorney General

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Tad Eggleston: until Congress goes into recess, at which point I'll be the Attorney General.

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Tad Eggleston: That was what I was expecting, so I mean, we're already a little bit better than that. Just.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Well, look, let's kind of wrap it up a smidge. What books did you find in Brit's cabinet that resonated.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean they all feel entertaining. The biggest thing is, what can I get between now and next week?

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Tad Eggleston: What can I manage to put my hands on and read that some.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So these these ones will actually be tricky. Right? Yeah, these will be tricky.

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Tad Eggleston: Some of them will be, Yeah.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Some of them are not necessarily published digitally, so you would have to find a physical copy, and some of them are, I'm sure, out of print. Shutterbug follies, I'm sure, is out of print.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: actually shares my.

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Tad Eggleston: Always is not out of print. I can.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Oh, well, that's great, good.

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Tad Eggleston: For $15 right now.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: No, that's.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: What I paid for 20 years ago.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Right?

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: But it's a quick. Read that one. That one won't absorb you for very long.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Eagle, the Eagle. You can really chew on. It's probably got 20 volumes.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, eagle's gonna have to be a future type thing, because I I would want to dive in dive in.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. And then any of that other guide to Lyle stuff.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I assume that's digital, because he's, you know, such a well.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, I think I think most of Lyle is available digitally now.

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Tad Eggleston: drawn and quarterly, goes back and forth, though drawn, and Quarterly's only recently started doing digital so. And and he was one of the 1st authors that they. They did it with.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: And while we're talking Guide Delisle, so the book that we were talking about before is called Factory Summers, I just happen to I'm sitting in a different room now, and I just reached over to the shelf. I found factory summers Burma Chronicles, which honestly, I don't recall at all.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: And.

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Tad Eggleston: From a chronicles, I know, but I don't think I've read.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: And Shenzhen, which is a so these are Shenzhen and Burma. Chronicles appear to be travelogues, and

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: just like Tracy, has done

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: well. Pyongyang was more of because it was work. It it is. It does have the feel of a travelogue, but it really is telling the story of oh, I was over there to do a job, whereas I think the other ones maybe it was there to do a job. I guess I don't know.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean he's.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I haven't read these in so long.

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Tad Eggleston: He's another guy that's considered a comics journalist. So I mean, I think he was sent to those places to make the books.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: What do you think, Ted? I'm looking on availability and cause another. Another. One of the wild cards is like, if it needs to be shipped? Can it be shipped.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: In time.

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Tad Eggleston: In time, because because

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Tad Eggleston: some of the stuff that I've looked at like early December is the earliest we'd get it.

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Tad Eggleston: I'll start looking at my library soon, but

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Tad Eggleston: kind of glancing through to see if anything happens to be digital.

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Tad Eggleston: we could both do. I am not Starfire.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Alright, we can do that.

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Tad Eggleston: Hold on, hold on.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay. Cause I think this might actually be my winner if it's digital or can get to me. So

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Tad Eggleston: it is digital. I want to do the Aja Waja.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Okay. So we did, Ojiboja, and I am not Starfire, both of which are essentially Ya books, and one is.

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Tad Eggleston: Doing, both.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Sure. Why not? They're probably short, I mean, I've already read Oju oju, so I.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I can talk about that one, and but I'll reread it, and then the other one is, I am not Starfire, and I think those are both.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: They are related because they're sort of targeted at the same audience, which I think is the new and thriving audience for graphic novels. The future for us as readers.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean it should be if they're not Dawn trying to.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Popular.

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Tad Eggleston: Right. If you're not trying to get the kids, then I mean, this has been baseball's problem for.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Yeah. The past.

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Tad Eggleston: Decade. Well, it's like.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: My comics have unlocked it, I mean, it seems like, you know, particularly my daughter's interested in adaptations of

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: other things. So her Anne of Green Gables Adaptation Her Star Wars Adaptation.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, I just picked up the Anna Green Gables adaptation.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I mean, there might be multiples, and it's not. It's not a direct adaptation, it's an inspired by, but it's you know she loves it.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: It's all rain telemarket type stuff.

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Tad Eggleston: Cause cause there. There was one that was

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Tad Eggleston: It was one that was on a kindle deal, so I jumped on it alright.

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Tad Eggleston: because anytime I see it.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: I need to jump.

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Tad Eggleston: There we go. I am not. Starfire is on hoopla. So so people people who want to read along it's perfect.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: So.

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Tad Eggleston: Library.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: If you're listening to this, read along with us, read the Ojo. Oja, read, I'm not Starfire, and then in our next episode we can chit, chat about them.

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Tad Eggleston: Yep, so we will talk. What next? Wednesday afternoon.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Going to talk.

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Tad Eggleston: Just in time for Thanksgiving.

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Brit’s iPad Pro 15: Perfect.

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Tad Eggleston: Good one, Britt for 22 panels, and Britt Payne, we'll see you after the next page.