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Tad Eggleston: Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to 22 panels and my favorite roundtable of the year. It's the baseball and comics roundtable so far in the room. We have baseball writers, Rob Neire and Derek, gold comic

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Tad Eggleston: writer, Fred Van Lenty, comics, journalists, Heidi Mcdonald's and Brian Baines and comics a little bit of everything. Darren Bennett.

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Tad Eggleston: probably best known as the letterer and head of and world design. So how is everybody? How was your baseball seasons.

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Heidi MacDonald: I know the mets fans want to talk first.st

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Heidi MacDonald: Well, I mean, it's all. Maybe, you know, it's all downhill from from I mean, we just had

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Heidi MacDonald: the best baseball season ever. That didn't end result in a world series. Win. So.

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Tad Eggleston: What I will say is that as much as I, Miss

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Tad Eggleston: El Maggo, and and and the way Javi Baez was when he was with the cubs a. He's gone significantly downhill since then, and B that like month that you had him gave us Pete Crow Armstrong. So

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Fred Van Lente: I mean every every team, but one goes home disappointed right.

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Heidi MacDonald: Something.

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Tad Eggleston: Like that.

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Fred Van Lente: Enjoy it while you can.

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Heidi MacDonald: Well, Fred's got his premise mets background. So he's really ready to roll.

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Fred Van Lente: Well, I'm going to be rolling out during the roundtable.

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Heidi MacDonald: Nice.

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Fred Van Lente: But yeah, I mean, it's it was a super fun season for us. It was a fun season in general. I think the playoffs in general were pretty terrific.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Fred Van Lente: Even though I didn't particularly like the fact. We didn't get the pennant or the the championship.

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Fred Van Lente: I just had a lot of fun. I I also like

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Fred Van Lente: I I absolutely overdosed on my mets fandom. This year I went to spring training at Port St. Lucie.

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Fred Van Lente: I'm probably one of the only mets fans to see Kodai Senga play pitch back to back because I saw him in Brooklyn. And then, by a total coincidence, I saw him the following week in Syracuse.

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Fred Van Lente: I came within a hair's breadth of

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Fred Van Lente: going to the Binghamton rumble ponies.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow!

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Fred Van Lente: That did not work out. Otherwise I would have been to every mets owned ballpark in the country.

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Fred Van Lente: and Heidi and I accidentally got to sit next to the grimace, feed.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yes, yes, we.

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Fred Van Lente: Pretty, awesome.

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Heidi MacDonald: We had a close encounter with Grimace, so.

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Tad Eggleston: That's true.

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Tad Eggleston: And now, Philly, Fan, Mark Russell has joined us.

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Fred Van Lente: Mark.

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Mark Russell: Hey? How's it going.

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Heidi MacDonald: Okay. We'll allow it.

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Deron Bennett: I know.

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Mark Russell: Not a Philly fan. Actually mariners fan.

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Tad Eggleston: That's right, that I just the 1st time we talked you were wearing a Phillies t-shirt, so on steel

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Tad Eggleston: in my head. It was on sale.

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Fred Van Lente: Walmart ahead of the.

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Tad Eggleston: I get that I get that. That's how I get a lot of my hats. I went with the Oakland hat today just because I like to call them the Sacramento A's to piss off Major League baseball.

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Heidi MacDonald: Well, there was.

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Heidi MacDonald: I mean the A's are another story that is, you know, heart heartrending, really. Oh, God, I mean I just

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Heidi MacDonald: I I do think it was an exemplary baseball season. They were just, you know. I mean, the ace is is very sad and and regrettable, but it it still showed the depth of

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Heidi MacDonald: the fandom that exists in Oakland, and really shows how a community can can

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Heidi MacDonald: come to love a franchise, even though it has its ups and downs, and even a really really awful stadium like the Coliseum, and it was awful. I don't know who here has been to it, but woo.

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Tad Eggleston: I have.

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Fred Van Lente: I've been there Shay stadium, and I understand that they're very similar. And they were.

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Derrick Goold: Yeah, but.

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Heidi MacDonald: No shea, stadium.

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Derrick Goold: No.

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Heidi MacDonald: Does not not have a barbed wire encased causeway to enter it, so.

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Deron Bennett: Maybe if they had.

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Derrick Goold: They're they're they're strikingly different. Shea stadium never felt like, I mean, even at Mount Davis, at

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Derrick Goold: at Shea Stadium, where it was a football stadium, and you feel every bit of the football stadium this cavernous baseball.

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Derrick Goold: I wonder if like just to get baseball nerd on y'all, and Rob may chime in on this. I wonder if, because baseball won't be played at the Coliseum

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Derrick Goold: if we've seen the last of that kind of foul territory. And thus the last of that kind of game, that kind of baseball game where you could have those pitchers succeed because of all those outs in that fall territory. Now all the new places have seats closer and closer and closer to the action.

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Derrick Goold: We that style of baseball probably won't exist.

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Tad Eggleston: I always wanted to get out there for the foul territory, because that always was fascinating to watch on TV or play in video games where, like.

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Mark Russell: You can just run and run and run.

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Rob Neyer: Well, the good news is we'll always have the moneyball movie if you want to revisit.

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Tad Eggleston: That's true.

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Rob Neyer: Because there's a lot of great

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Rob Neyer: scenes that are shot in that stadium, and unlike many of the defunct stadiums that are basically gone. And there's no way to revisit them

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Rob Neyer: except for import little video clips here and there. You can get a real sense of the Coliseum by watching that movie.

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Tad Eggleston: Actually, one of my favorite things about a good baseball video game is when they recreate the old stadiums.

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Derrick Goold: Yeah, yeah. And we'll always have county stadium home of the Major League, Cleveland.

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Tad Eggleston: Right, of course, right right there in Milwaukee.

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Tad Eggleston: Joe Saracki wasn't able to join us, but he wanted to to put in his word for major league as the best piece of

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Heidi MacDonald: Suff!

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Tad Eggleston: Baseball media just because you know his hometown hometown guardians.

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Tad Eggleston: So like, I said, while we have both baseball guys because Derek has to go like, do a job.

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Heidi MacDonald: I I had to put together the the trivia, and I got super geeky.

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Tad Eggleston: So everybody gets to be in on all of the trivia this year. Both the the

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Tad Eggleston: the baseball and the comics questions. Because I'm I'm curious as to to who who pulls off what?

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Tad Eggleston: So first, st a baseball question on September 5, th 1938, satchel page

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Tad Eggleston: through 8 innings for Agreo in the Mexican League, a team that also included Josh Gibson, Ray Dandridge, and Willie Wells, leaving the game deadlocked, one to one against a future hall of Fame pitcher, who would finish that season with an 18 and 2 record point 9 2 era and league, leading 184 strikeouts for Aguila.

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Tad Eggleston: Cuban, Cuban hurler. Ramon Bergana relieved Page and gave up a walk-off home run to the League's leading hitter.

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Tad Eggleston: who had a 387 average at the time. Who was the pitcher who defeated Page?

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Tad Eggleston: And who was the batter who hit the home run.

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Deron Bennett: Hmm.

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Rob Neyer: Well, I'm gonna I'm going to throw this out there. I think it's a trick question. It's the same guy Cristo Valtoriente.

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Tad Eggleston: You are right and wrong.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it is a trick question. It's the same guy. It is not crystal ball. Toriante.

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Rob Neyer: Shoot.

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Rob Neyer: I have no idea.

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Fred Van Lente: I knew more about my 19 thirties. Mexican League pictures.

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Heidi MacDonald: I know right, man, I I should have boned up on it.

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Rob Neyer: We also played for the New York Cubans.

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Fred Van Lente: I was not.

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Rob Neyer: Don't know the guy.

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Tad Eggleston: Bye, thanks.

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Rob Neyer: The only guy I can think of is Ted double duty, Radcliffe, not him.

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Tad Eggleston: Martin Martine, Digo.

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Rob Neyer: There you go right.

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Tad Eggleston: Martin Diggo in 5 Cuban Cuban Hall of Fame, Mexican Hall of Fame, Negro League, Major League and

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Tad Eggleston: Puerto Rican Baseball Hall of Fames.

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Rob Neyer: I forgot. He pitched.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he did everything.

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Tad Eggleston: So our our 1st comics question.

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Tad Eggleston: the 1st graphic novel that rhymes with lust was written by Doom patrol creator, Arnold Drake and novelist, Leslie Waller, under the pseudonym, Drake Waller.

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Tad Eggleston: very creative, that pseudonym for St. John publications, who was the artist of this 1950 picture novel.

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Fred Van Lente: Matt Baker.

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Tad Eggleston: Bingo. I knew I knew Fred would be on top of that.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, I knew that one, too, but it's almost too easy. Everybody knows that.

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Mark Russell: In comics. I thought right. Oh, I don't know.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: no, no, that that the comics ones are are almost more for the baseball people. And I, you know

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Tad Eggleston: I am not as good at writing comics trivia as I am, baseball, trivia.

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Mark Russell: I.

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Tad Eggleston: These next 2. I really cheated.

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Fred Van Lente: These categories. I'm gonna be worse at.

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Tad Eggleston: The these next 2 I really cheated. And and it's more things that you get to guess on cause I use games that I actually was in attendance at.

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Tad Eggleston: On July 20, second, 1997, at Wrigley Field, Greg Maddox dispatched the Cubs, throwing only 78 pitches.

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Tad Eggleston: Mark Grace's 5 pitch at bat in the 7th was the longest

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Tad Eggleston: the Cubs had on the day Grace saw 15 pitches

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Tad Eggleston: that day. 20% of Maddox is

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Tad Eggleston: total, and 6 more than any other cub hitter

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Tad Eggleston: who tied Eddie Perez for the longest at bat of the game at 8 pitches, and also tied for second for the most overall pitches seen with Ryan Klesko at 19, behind Perez's 24.

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Mark Russell: Is it a brave or a cub?

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Tad Eggleston: Well, since no cub had more than do we get clues.

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Mark Russell: I've got. I'm gonna take a stab that I'm gonna say, Chipper Jones.

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Tad Eggleston: No chipper. Jones, I think, had 16

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Tad Eggleston: pitches on the day he had a decent day.

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Fred Van Lente: Andrew, I feel like that. The trivia category is games. Tad has been to.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, this was a beautiful game, though.

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Tad Eggleston: and it's and it's a cool answer.

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Derrick Goold: Was it Greg Maddox.

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Tad Eggleston: It was, in fact, Greg Maddox.

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Tad Eggleston: who who had an 8 pitch at bat, in the second a 6 pitch at bat in the 6, th and saw 19 pitches on the day, and

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Tad Eggleston: more than almost any 2 cubs.

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Fred Van Lente: See

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Tad Eggleston: Who was the good duck artist is the easy part of this question, but the follow up is, how was he unmasked?

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Brian Baynes: He was unmasked in comic art fans in issue 6.

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Tad Eggleston: Look at Brian Baines.

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Brian Baynes: I make a fanzine? Can you tell? It's Carl Barks. Sorry. Did I not say that.

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Tad Eggleston: You know you didn't say Carl Barks, but do you remember who wrote the Fanzine article.

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Brian Baynes: I don't. I've read it. I've seen the zoom before, but

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Brian Baynes: try Googling it. Comic art! You won't find anything.

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Heidi MacDonald: Might have been the Thompsons.

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Tad Eggleston: It was the Spicers.

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Tad Eggleston: John and Bill Spicer.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we're the 1st ones to run.

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Tad Eggleston: Write a letter to ask about it address.

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Tad Eggleston: and sent him a fan letter, and then started the the magazine.

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Brian Baynes: Yeah, yeah, they. They found his name. He was.

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Brian Baynes: He was in one issue, his name, and then the next issue

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Brian Baynes: the interview, like they? They dug a little deeper. Is that right? Anyways?

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Tad Eggleston: Yay, yay for fanzines real history, but I was.

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Heidi MacDonald: Say. Then it was enshrined in the book.

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Heidi MacDonald: the comic book, no, all in color for a dime

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Heidi MacDonald: which Don Thompson and Richard Lupoff edited, and a whole bunch of essays about

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Heidi MacDonald: the Secret People behind the comics.

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Heidi MacDonald: which is how I learned about it.

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Tad Eggleston: That I I'm gonna have to find that book. Now. Hi.

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Heidi MacDonald: Oh, my God! It's it's it's! And then there was a follow up called the Comic Book Book.

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Heidi MacDonald: and they they're very formative, like text. Let's put it that way.

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Fred Van Lente: Used to have like used bookstore copies of them. We're both ex library copies.

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Heidi MacDonald: Right.

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Fred Van Lente: Somewhere, but they've they've vanished in in a move at some point.

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Heidi MacDonald: Don't ever move.

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Tad Eggleston: I I just realized that I I forgot to mention the other cool part about the Maddox game.

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Tad Eggleston: which is that it wasn't a Maddox.

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Tad Eggleston: A Maddox is technically what a complete game shutout! Throwing under a hundred pitches.

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Tad Eggleston: Maddox threw the complete game at 78 pitches, but he gave up a run.

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Tad Eggleston: he won 4 to one.

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Tad Eggleston: This is why there's always actually been my problem with the Maddox. Stat. Is. Maddox often gave up the run. He just didn't give up enough to lose

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Tad Eggleston: last last baseball trivia question. And you're going to see a theme in in terms of trick answers. Here Kerry Wood returned from Tommy John Surgery on May second, 2,000, facing the same Astros

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Tad Eggleston: team that he rocketed into the record book against 2 years earlier he would pitch 6 innings, strike out 4, walk 4, and give up a home run to future teammate, Daryl Ward, on A, on the way to an 11 to one cubs win.

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Tad Eggleston: who hit the home run to cap the cubs. 4 run second, that would give them the lead that they never relinquished.

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Derrick Goold: Gary Wood.

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Tad Eggleston: Gary Wood.

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Tad Eggleston: I was at that game. It was like playoff atmosphere.

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Tad Eggleston: There was nothing that was going to surprise us that day, you know if he'd struck out 20 again, we would have been not surprised at all if his arm had fallen off. We would have been not surprised at all. When he hit the home run you could hear a PIN drop.

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Derrick Goold: And I.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, everybody took it in home. Run swing, either. It was kind of like

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Tad Eggleston: right? Well, everybody took it in and went. Did that just happen, and then the place erupted.

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Tad Eggleston: Dennis kitchen hasn't showed up yet, so I don't have to say that he's not allowed to answer this one in the early years of San Diego. Comic Con.

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Tad Eggleston: What was Friday afternoon reserved for, who participated, and where.

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Heidi MacDonald: Well, it was the the comics pros versus diamond, baseball, softball game.

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Heidi MacDonald: and it took place in Balboa Park, and he's done

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Heidi MacDonald: was on the team. Let's see who else is on the team?

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Heidi MacDonald: I think Mike Martin's might have been on the team for Diamond. At that point

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Fred Van Lente: Mix distributors.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yes, diamond comics, distributors.

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Heidi MacDonald: Boy, I don't remember who else Vince Lotterio

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Heidi MacDonald: was on the team. I remember that from DC comics

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I think it. I think it was distributors, and at least at the beginning, according to an interview Dennis gave, and conversations he and I have had a couple of times. It was.

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Tad Eggleston: There were some years, I think, where it was editors versus publishers, and then other years where it was artists and distributor, or artists and

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Heidi MacDonald: Yes, I think that the makeup of the team had to be shifted kind of to make up the full team, you know, who was on a Dean Mullaney from eclipse comics. He also was always on the on the game and

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Heidi MacDonald: I'm sure if I now that I'm ruminating about it, but of course Eclipse made the baseball cards for comics creators around.

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Heidi MacDonald: Time. So that was a.

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Heidi MacDonald: you know, a little sporty crossover, you know, at the time I just didn't understand why anyone would want to leave comic con. How could you possibly leave the con and go do something else? It just I mean, it doesn't make sense.

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Tad Eggleston: To play baseball, to play baseball.

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Heidi MacDonald: All the way all the way to about. Well, the maybe in the early years. Yeah, in those days it might not even have. It was probably still the old Golden Hall. So Balboa Park wasn't quite as far away but

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Tad Eggleston: they made arrangements to play at Jack Murphy, and something fell through at the last minute. I don't know if it was rain or something, but they've made all all necessary arrangements. It was going to be a Jack Murphy that year.

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Tad Eggleston: until, like the day of.

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Fred Van Lente: You know. Now comic con takes over Petco. Last year I went, which is a while ago. They had a whole walking dead like zombies will chase you through Petco Park thing going on.

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Tad Eggleston: So they take over Petco, but they don't play baseball.

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Fred Van Lente: I mean, maybe some of the zombies were in uniform.

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Heidi MacDonald: You know the another tie in, of course, is that Steve Jeppy, the owner of diamond comics distributors, is also was. I don't believe I believe he gave up a stake, but he was, for a little while, you know, very small stake in the oreos, and he is a big baseball fan, so that was a part of the whole to do.

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Tad Eggleston: We got baseball fans all over comics. This is why I feel at home

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Tad Eggleston: all right. So since we have the trivia out of the way favorite moments of the year.

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Tad Eggleston: I know mets fans have a lot. So we're going to start.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, let's not.

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Tad Eggleston: Brian gets to start.

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Brian Baynes: No, no, no! Come back to me.

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Tad Eggleston: No no good nationals moments this year.

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Brian Baynes: What was a good nationals moment. I don't know some good debuts, I guess. I watched plenty of good debuts, and that was fun.

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Tad Eggleston: Looking forward.

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Tad Eggleston: Would you watched.

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Brian Baynes: The Nationals. I don't know.

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Brian Baynes: I watched the Richmond flying squirrels. That's like good night.

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Brian Baynes: I watched that. That's the hat I brought.

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Fred Van Lente: Brian, there's a there's a radio talk show host here in New York who is convinced that Juan Soto is going to return to the nationals.

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Fred Van Lente: And it's d.

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Tad Eggleston: Huh!

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Brian Baynes: I'm I'm so tired I'm so I'm the the free agent. News is so like one of my favorite things about baseball is that it goes away. Unlike comics which is just, never, ever ending. It's like it, and.

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Tad Eggleston: You think baseball goes away.

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Brian Baynes: I mean, unless you want to.

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Tad Eggleston: I just love yourself.

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Brian Baynes: Unless you, unless you, unless you want to just read the same Tweet over and over again about Juan Soto theme.

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Brian Baynes: But, like I, I just can't like. I can't like. I have.

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Tad Eggleston: Seasons for history, books, and and long form, art.

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Brian Baynes: I try and watch a few movies because I don't watch them all year. I watch baseball every night.

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Heidi MacDonald: Same for me. Same for me. It's like, Oh, there's no baseball. This is when I watch. I'm watching the penguin. It's my 1st thing to watch. And then I'm catching up on movies. It's wonderful.

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Brian Baynes: Yeah, yeah. But anyway, so right now, I me thinking about so coming back to Nationals, I don't know what, I guess. Should I start a conversation and say, I don't know if I care. I don't know if he's

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Brian Baynes: if I I don't know.

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Brian Baynes: But he's not.

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Fred Van Lente: Them publicly. So it's a it's a wild conspiracy theory.

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Brian Baynes: I don't think it's gonna happen.

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Brian Baynes: The team is in ownership transition, and I don't really see them making a big splash with like a hitter. They never really did that. It's all they love pitching at least this ownership. But

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Brian Baynes: whatever, James Wood, I'm excited, you know I was. I had a good. I had a fun year watching the young team not suck because they sucked a lot the past couple of years. So I was like.

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Tad Eggleston: I love watching young teams.

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Brian Baynes: So I was just thrilled sometimes.

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Tad Eggleston: Everyone else.

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Brian Baynes: That they don't. They didn't suck. And you you could watch the game, and you could think like they might win every time. You could always think like they might win, at least in the 1st few innings.

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Brian Baynes: Good deal.

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Tad Eggleston: Derek probably got to watch more baseball games than any of us this year. Did you have a favorite moment.

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Derrick Goold: Yeah, I saw, well, I do. I see 100 plus or more again. Yeah, a lot. I see a lot.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean you get paid to, so I hope you do.

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Derrick Goold: Yeah, that's fair. It is the gig. And I'm taking notes on how you know. We got to tell better stories, apparently in the winter. Otherwise.

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Brian Baynes: It's okay.

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Derrick Goold: No, it's all right. I'll try to keep the. I try to keep the tweets to a minimum of the stories, to get crank them up a notch.

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Derrick Goold: yeah, I'm going to actually say my favorite moment is one that I was not at. If that's okay. Of all the games I went to. This is the 1st time ever

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Derrick Goold: just quick aside, I took some time off in the middle of the season. My son graduated high school, so I wanted to spend that last time that we had together, and we went on a backpacking trip. It just so happened to coincide with when Rickwood happened, and so I

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Derrick Goold: and got to talk to my colleagues who covered the cardinals, giants at Rickwood. I got to watch it all, hear about it. See it, and I think just that whole build up

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Derrick Goold: with them, taking the stats from the negro leagues and saying, These are now part of our Big League leaders. And then the emotion of that day, you know, just with hours after Willie Mays died, you had yeah.

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Derrick Goold: this tribute and this celebration of baseball right there in his hometown at a ballpark that's awesome to go to. I've been fortunate enough to go there before. Got to go there with my son many, many years, actually got to go there with my son on election day 2,012,

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Derrick Goold: and run the bases with him. And it was it was incredible to do. And then you add in the fact that the 1st Major League regular season game played in Alabama.

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Derrick Goold: and a home run is hit by a guy from Alabama. It's just too perfect. That's a great moment. And if, like the whole, build up the pregame ceremony, all the emotions Willie Mcgee, there with, you know, with some of the great stars, the Ryan Howard delivering tickets. Just the whole thing was done so.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's definitely fun to watch Mark any favorite moments.

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Mark Russell: I would say. Probably June, June.

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Mark Russell: like about halfway through June, the mariners were unbelievably like 10 games ahead in the Al West.

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Mark Russell: and you know, I never really believe I never really think they're gonna

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Mark Russell: go to the playoffs. But at that moment I thought, Okay, yeah, they're they're going to do it. They're gonna they're going to win the L. West this year. Of course it was all downhill after there.

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Mark Russell: which is the way he usually tracks for me. It's like the moment I begin believing in a team they're cursed.

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Tad Eggleston: Right, but.

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Mark Russell: It was just nice. It was unusual to me. I felt like this was a novel thing to actually

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Tad Eggleston: I was with you on that.

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Mark Russell: The A's last game was against the mariners.

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Tad Eggleston: The last game in Oakland.

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Mark Russell: Also, if you yeah, or yeah.

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Mark Russell: And in retrospect, I kind of wish the mariners have lost.

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Tad Eggleston: In some ways it's more fitting that they didn't.

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Mark Russell: Yeah, yeah, right. By the way, if anyone's wondering what the the ominous sterile background here, I'm actually at the hospital. I had to take a friend to the hospital sort of

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Mark Russell: without, you know, unexpectedly, so.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, is that okay?

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Mark Russell: They're gonna.

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Mark Russell: I think so. Yeah, I think it's gonna be okay. But just fair warning. They're going to call me when he's ready to go. So if I

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Mark Russell: skip.

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Tad Eggleston: We understand, we we completely understand. I mean, thank you for your dedication.

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Mark Russell: I should.

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Tad Eggleston: Baseball and comics.

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Mark Russell: I'm sure he'll be fine. But but yeah, just just so. You know, it's an if I leave, it's an excused absence.

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Tad Eggleston: That's fair, Rob. Favorite moments this year, and you can absolutely talk about moments as Commissioner.

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Tad Eggleston: Tell me about the pickles.

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Rob Neyer: Well. Oh, that wasn't my favorite moment of the whole season, but it was a pretty amazing moment when the

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Rob Neyer: Portland pickles 1st dethroned the Corvallis knights who had won, I think, 6 straight championships

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Rob Neyer: in the West Coast League, and then 2 nights later, playing at home the pickles

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Rob Neyer: beat the Walla Walla sweets in the bottom of the 9th inning, not the Walla Walla sweets the Wenaji apple Sox.

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Mark Russell: I'm gonna change my answer. The pickles winning the Pcl championship. My favorite moment of this.

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Mark Russell: Were you at the game, Mark?

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Mark Russell: I wasn't at that one. I was at the the playoff, the 1st playoff game.

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Rob Neyer: When they, when earlier, when they played Ridgefield, probably.

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Rob Neyer: I was at one of those games, too. Maybe not that one. But anyway, the Pickles championship game was amazing. For the 1st time in League history. The Fans stormed the field.

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Rob Neyer: I it took 15 min before I could. I could give I could hand off hand the trophy off.

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Rob Neyer: So I'm just standing there in the middle of all these people, just choking my head like an idiot.

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Tad Eggleston: Wait.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm not hearing you're the Commissioner. Does that mean you have to ban fans now.

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Rob Neyer: You know, everybody was peaceful and happy, and I thought it was great.

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Heidi MacDonald: nail this one down as the journalist reporter here like. So wait, what is your position? You are the Commissioner of.

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Rob Neyer: The West Coast League.

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Heidi MacDonald: This is a real thing. This is not a rotisserie.

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Rob Neyer: They're not real thing with real teams in Portland and 16 other places starting, how do you get to.

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Heidi MacDonald: Be the commissioner.

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Rob Neyer: That is a long and very weird story. But when I started 6 years ago they were desperate and figured they'd bring me on for a few months, and now I'm and I'm still here. So and I'm not sure how or why.

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Heidi MacDonald: But I mean good Lord! I mean there could be so many things like fans on the field, and you know there could be a pine tar. Incident of some kind.

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Rob Neyer: There are so many things, and if I ever write a book about it I will have lots of amazing stories that I haven't been able to tell you.

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Tad Eggleston: Please.

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Rob Neyer: What the League, I think. My, I mean, this is this is such a an obvious call. And if I did some research, I'd probably come up with something more interesting, but

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Rob Neyer: I believe was on September 19th that Shohei Otani hit 3 home runs.

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Rob Neyer: drove in 10 runs, and also became the 1st 50 50 player in Major League history, which

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Rob Neyer: he had already proved in my mind that he was the most talented player in major League history or baseball player of any league ever anywhere

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Tad Eggleston: In the United States. What he does is pretty much only done in the negro leagues. It was like Martin Dego bullet Rogan.

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Tad Eggleston: Good at either.

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Rob Neyer: Wes Farrell might have been a hall of Fame level hitter.

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Rob Neyer: and he certainly was a hall of Fame level pitcher.

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Rob Neyer: although he isn't in the Hall of Fame as either a pitcher or a hitter. He probably did have enough talent

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Tad Eggleston: But I thought, like Ruth, he didn't do both in the same season, did he?

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Rob Neyer: No, he did. 1918, I believe. Somebody want can correct me. But he was outstanding in both roles. But it wasn't. Ruth didn't have the talent. He didn't. He really wasn't the same picture after 1980. He didn't have the same army.

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Rob Neyer: And he also didn't really want to pitch anymore. So we never really saw him try to be a great hitter and great pitcher everyday hitter. At the same time, I think he had the talent to do it, and there have probably been others. You know. John Oler would, a lot of people thought could have been a great major League pitcher. He didn't get a chance

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Rob Neyer: 6 or 8 years ago. So every time he goes out and does something crazy, I don't think, wow, that I didn't think that was possible. Now I just think that anything is possible with him. Maybe he had 60 home runs. Maybe he could steal 60 bases. I wouldn't put anything past him.

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Rob Neyer: He? He just got hurt stealing it might. He might never steal 20 bases again. Who knows

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Derrick Goold: My favorite part of that game, just to add, well, not my favorite part, but the added point on Rob's game that he picked there in Miami was that they also clinched a playoff spot.

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Derrick Goold: Yeah. So

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Derrick Goold: not only does he have this amazing game with, then joins the 50 50 Club, but then all of his teammates get to pop champagne in the tradition. It's just like this whole day of Dodgerdom that concluded with the celebration of the win. And then what he did I thought that was kind of a cool twist that everything came together for the dodgers at once.

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Tad Eggleston: Before we hear from all the mets fans. Tom Pyre just weighed in. He got jammed up and can't make it today, but he says that

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Tad Eggleston: we should know that the Yankees historic disgrace in the 2024 World Series was completely nullified by the Salt River rafters. Arizona Fall League championship, and the 6 Yankees prospects on their roster. I understand this might upset some of you, but I don't make the rules

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Tad Eggleston: so mets fans who wants to go first.st

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Heidi MacDonald: Well, we haven't heard from Darren yet. So, Darren.

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Deron Bennett: For me, I'd say game one of the doubleheader versus the braves. That was just.

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Deron Bennett: You could feel everything. Every inning is just great for baseball like that was great baseball. Besides, if you're a mets, Fan, you just gotta love watching that game.

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Deron Bennett: Lindore coming through in the clutch. I was just.

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Deron Bennett: I had to turn off the the TV for a time. Come come back, calm myself down. It was just, you know, amazing.

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Deron Bennett: you know just so that was really great, for on a personal note for me,

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Deron Bennett: outside of Mlb. Is the Savannah bananas game at Fenway.

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Deron Bennett: I got to see that. And it was just

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Deron Bennett: really just electric that whole stadium just full packed energy.

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Deron Bennett: And if you've never got to see a bananas, banana ball. I highly recommend it.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's on my list.

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Tad Eggleston: My wife was just looking at where they're playing next year, so that we can think about it.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yeah. Well, I I

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Heidi MacDonald: you know the the 1st game, the double header. I forget what I was doing, but I was working.

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Heidi MacDonald: I had some kind of a phone call that I could not get out of.

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Heidi MacDonald: And so I actually missed watching that unfold live. But you know I had it on pause, and then I maybe saw, like on Twitter or something. It was like, you know. Now the Mets are leading, and I was like what I was like I got to watch this whole thing through. You know, for me it was the Pete home run, because

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Heidi MacDonald: how could you write anything better than potentially Pete's last at bat as a met.

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Heidi MacDonald: and you're behind in the 9th inning, and only a grand slam, you know, I mean just or not a grand slam, but just a home run. I mean just the drama of it, which is, if you wrote that in a boys sports book.

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Heidi MacDonald: it would just, you know, it would be something you write in a boys sports book, and it actually has.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Heidi MacDonald: And you just. You're just so happy. You're just so happy for them. And and you know, same thing. It was just just good feeling like like it's just.

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Heidi MacDonald: you know, as a mets fan. You don't feel that good all that often. So you really save her.

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Fred Van Lente: There were so many fun moments. It was great to kind of like like I get tired of like the lol mets and like oh, what was me? Kind of, you know negativity? So I so that was sort of super fun on

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Fred Van Lente: that last. I'll totally second. What Darren said on the last is, Heidi knows, because she's been in the games with me. I'm a super nervous baseball fan, so I'm like, it's the last day of the season, because all this crazy weather they got to play this stupid doubleheader. If one wins

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Fred Van Lente: they're in the playoffs. If they get swept, they're out

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Fred Van Lente: intellectually. I know. Probably they're going to split the double header and knock out the diamondbacks, because if you won the 1st game you're not going to really try the second game, but still I'm a nervous Nelly, so I I just got these like lawn chairs

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Fred Van Lente: in the in the ship to me, and I was out in my garden building during the game. My wife knows how nervous I am, but my my wife is like a crystal is like not

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Fred Van Lente: doesn't have my same level of like terror. So she's constantly checking the score. And and I'm sitting there, you know.

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Fred Van Lente: making lawn furniture, and suddenly, like her form, appears in the.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yeah.

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Fred Van Lente: Staring at me.

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Heidi MacDonald: And she was like, it's good.

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Fred Van Lente: Good. And so we go on TV, and they're winning. And it's like, great.

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Fred Van Lente: And and I'm like, Okay, good, turn the TV off.

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Fred Van Lente: I never want to like have my consciousness marred by negativity, so I always want to stop watching the minute anything is good. I'm like the win to lose. I go back out and I build lawn furniture.

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Fred Van Lente: Couple of minutes go by. She appears screen door, but now she looks really sad.

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Heidi MacDonald: It's like.

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Fred Van Lente: Braves went ahead in the 8.th Edwin Diaz, our closer blew it, and I was like, Oh, God, that sucks! And I was like, you know what.

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Fred Van Lente: Fred

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Fred Van Lente: be a man, all right, just it's the end of the season, maybe. Let's just watch the last inning. Don't be a loser. Let's just go, man up! Let's watch. We turn it on, Francisco. It's a 2 run home. Run! We win the game. My wife and I are jumping up and down, screaming. I can hear screaming down the block

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Fred Van Lente: here in Brooklyn. I was actually playing dungeons and dragons on Zoom Heidi when Pete hit that home run.

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Heidi MacDonald: Bye.

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Fred Van Lente: My window was open, I could hear people screaming down the street, and I'm like.

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Fred Van Lente: is that good screaming or bad screaming? I'm like, I think it sounds like good screaming. I was like, Hold on.

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Heidi MacDonald: Players.

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Fred Van Lente: Went and go, checked out the store, so.

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Heidi MacDonald: Well, I think it's just, I think, what everybody's saying here really is true, though 2024 was just really a great baseball season, I mean Shohei Otani's achievements. Aaron Judge playing so well

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you know, I don't like the Yankees either, so I don't.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, but but I but I think the playoffs having all the main characters in it, you know, like all the teams that people really wanted to see in the playoffs were in the playoffs, and the people really want to see lose, lost. And that was amazing. And so I I mean, I think.

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Mark Russell: I would, and I would love to hear.

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Heidi MacDonald: What other people feel about this? Because I think for us mets fans again. It's like, you know, this satisfaction with what happened, even though we didn't go all the way.

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Heidi MacDonald: Is it? Is this normal? Can this? Can this be replicated.

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Tad Eggleston: It can. I've been through a couple of periods in my cubs or red Sox fandom, where they make the playoffs regularly, and I can say if you're not a Yankees fan just making the playoffs can make it a good season. Yes, you end on disappointment, but then you go. Oh, but that was wonderful. I still bask in the glory of the 1989 Cubs season.

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Tad Eggleston: I pull up the games on Youtube to to watch them, because it's just fun listening to Harry. Go nuts

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Fred Van Lente: I mean I but I but I've grown up Yankee fans who like eat the furniture whenever

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Fred Van Lente: I know I know it's

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Fred Van Lente: it's it's I sort of see the other side of the well, I mean, that leads me to a question I'm sort of interested in.

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Fred Van Lente: This is a general baseball question.

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Fred Van Lente: Do you think the dropped fly ball by Aaron? Judge will haunt him going in the 2025 season, or do you think?

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Fred Van Lente: No, he's great. It was a minor pickup, and he's gonna be wonderful again.

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Heidi MacDonald: I think if it had been the only mistake in the inning, maybe, but there was so much blame to go around.

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Tad Eggleston: I also think it sometimes comes down to how how much good do you do?

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, they're not there without Aaron Judge. So so he's got all of that kind of built up.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I just think, at 2 2 different plays that that like could could have

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Tad Eggleston: like when Brant Brown drop the ball

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Tad Eggleston: in 98 in Milwaukee that almost kept the Cubs from making the playoffs, you could tell that he just like never let it go.

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Tad Eggleston: You know he was never as sure in the outfield again he still was an okay player.

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Tad Eggleston: Alex Gonzalez made an even bigger mistake in the

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Tad Eggleston: 2,003 World Series game against the Marlins.

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Tad Eggleston: you know, right after the the infamous play.

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Fred Van Lente: And bowl.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I try not to say the name, because you know he's he seems to be a good guy and still a Cubs fan in in spite of everything.

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Fred Van Lente: Hopefully.

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Tad Eggleston: Right, yeah.

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Fred Van Lente: Now that I've said his name out.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, and he was given a world series ring, and like one of the good ones.

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Fred Van Lente: No, that was awesome.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. But Alex Gonzalez went back to being his his sure fielding shortstop the next year. So I think it all depends on on

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Tad Eggleston: like who you are and how much of your game it is, and

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Tad Eggleston: all sorts of stuff. My hunch is. Aaron judge is, gonna be okay.

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Tad Eggleston: A red sox fan. I would be completely happy if he turned into Chuck Knobloch.

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Derrick Goold: We know that the Yankees are going to run a lot of Pfp pitchers, Fielding practice. There will be lots and lots of Pfp.

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Mark Russell: Never Steinbrenner, Field.

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Derrick Goold: In this coming thing, as we all saw the tigers do that in 2,007, where they all lined up and had to do lots and lots of Pfp.

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Tad Eggleston: Garrett Cole is actually the nephew of one of my coworkers.

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Tad Eggleston: So that play was talked about a lot around here.

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Fred Van Lente: My father-in-law, sadly, is is one of the the true true blue devil rays fans Tampa Bay rays.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh!

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Fred Van Lente: And speaking of Steinbrenner Field, the Yankees will roommates.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Fred Van Lente: 2025, or at least.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I saw the photos of tropicana fields.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, my

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Tad Eggleston: my therapist lives across the street. So he he gave me photos out the window of his

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Tad Eggleston: apartment. So I got. I got a great angle on it. But but it's all right, Derek.

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Derrick Goold: Have a great day, and if you happen to finish typing check in okay, we'll let you come back.

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Tad Eggleston: Fast. I'll do my best.

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Tad Eggleston: really, really quick, though, baseball media, that more people should know, because that's the question. We'll go into.

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Derrick Goold: Baseball media, like.

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Tad Eggleston: Piece of piece of baseball media.

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Derrick Goold: Oh,

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Tad Eggleston: Music movies comics basically.

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Derrick Goold: Yeah. Yeah. Lords of the realm. By John Heller. A book, and then a novel, the Iowa Baseball Confederacy. Those.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, I love the Iowa baseball Confederacy.

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Derrick Goold: To. I know the more famous Kinsella book got made into a movie. But the better baseball book is the Iowa baseball Confederacy.

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Derrick Goold: See, you guys great to see you.

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Tad Eggleston: Have a good one, Derek.

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Derrick Goold: Pleasure. Thank you so much.

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Mark Russell: I should have bargained Tom.

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Tad Eggleston: So yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: why don't we just move that way? Talk! Talk to me! Who? Who wants to volunteer some? Some favorite baseball media that not. Rob, of course, is gonna have a lot of good ones.

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Brian Baynes: I'll I'll I'll I'll hit with one. This comes from a

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Brian Baynes: comic book author, David Collier. If anyone's familiar. He's a Canadian cartoonist. He's amazing.

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Brian Baynes: He's a huge baseball fan, have.

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Brian Baynes: I would say. Get him on here, but he doesn't.

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Heidi MacDonald: Have a cell phone. And he's not really online.

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Tad Eggleston: So we're much better at tracking down that sort of people. So if you ever track him down.

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Brian Baynes: I've hung out with him actually, a couple of times in Canada. And actually so this year I went to Canada

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Brian Baynes: and stayed with him, and he had a pitching set up in his alleyway, and I I don't know the last time any of you ever tried to pitch 60 feet 6 inches. That shit is far away.

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Tad Eggleston: It is.

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Brian Baynes: I cause I feel like I the last times I played baseball. I'm always playing on just like a park, and that is not full size field. And so you're kind of like. Oh, throwing this ball to your friend, it's not that bad. But he was like he had a strike zone up on the shed, and we were trying to hit it. And it was definitely

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Brian Baynes: fun. But okay, I'll say he's a huge reader, and he mails me baseball books like all the time, and he mailed me this great one called Fail. Better? Why, baseball matters by Mark Kingwell.

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Brian Baynes: and it's a full. He's Mark Kingwell is like a philosopher. And he wrote this book about baseball and just kind of like, you know. Obviously the old thing about how baseball is more about failing than succeeding.

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Brian Baynes: but the book gets really into just like the nitty gritty of like, why, we like baseball, and there's a lot of great, just like reflection. So it's just a super romantic book. I really love the chapter on listening to baseball on the radio. He has this great line that stays with me called calling it the last opera of the mind

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Brian Baynes: which, you know, in this world where we're so overcome by visuals baseball on the radio is like, really like that last holdout of a match.

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Tad Eggleston: Radio baseball is my primary way. I don't watch a lot of baseball games on TV. I read a lot about baseball. I listen to the radio a little bit, and I like to go to games.

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Tad Eggleston: But I'm like Fred. I get nervous when I'm watching on TV. I can handle it at the ballpark. But on TV it just get really the only games I watch on TV are old ones where I already know how it's going to turn out.

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Fred Van Lente: I'm not quite as bad. Live.

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Tad Eggleston: One's a good one, Brian.

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Brian Baynes: Oh, yeah, that's my recommendation.

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Brian Baynes: I recommend that book to people all the time.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I'm gonna have to track that one down.

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Brian Baynes: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Rob, I saw your hand.

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Tad Eggleston: You got to unmute yourself.

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Rob Neyer: Alright! Alright I! At the risk of being obvious again.

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Rob Neyer: There might be someone on this call who has not seen the unauthorized Bash brothers experience which is

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Rob Neyer: I was late to the party, but when I watched it I was just blown away by how funny and well made

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Rob Neyer: it was, and and weirdly authentic in an inauthentic way, so.

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Tad Eggleston: I have actually not even heard of this. So I thank you.

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Rob Neyer: Does everyone. Well, you know the the lonely island, the video guys from Snl.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Rob Neyer: They made this thing about Canseco and Mcguire. It's all hip, hop, and it's it's I mean, I just found it to be utterly delightful

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Rob Neyer: And assuming it's on Netflix. I couldn't recommend it more highly to anyone who's in this group.

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Tad Eggleston: I know what I'm watching tonight.

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Rob Neyer: Sure it's like what 30 min! 35 min!

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Tad Eggleston: It's a it's a short film.

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Tad Eggleston: because Saturday night live means that my wife will be happy to watch it with me.

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Tad Eggleston: Wants to go next.

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Fred Van Lente: A book. I really got a kick out of. This came out a while ago.

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Fred Van Lente: But it's a it's a about a reporter. Reporter decided to go and become an umpire.

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Fred Van Lente: and it's called as they see them

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Fred Van Lente: Buddy of mine, who's an author, visit a book fair, and got it signed by the author. But it's just really he's a Minor League umpire. Just very interesting reading reading him. Talk about what those guys go through and and ruling. The, you know. Circuit is, they have to.

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Fred Van Lente: you know, provide their own cars.

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Fred Van Lente: and you know, if you had eat, it's a great story where he and the guy gets the Empire gets stuck in Iowa when their card breaks down middle of a cornfield, and the.

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Fred Van Lente: you know, killing themselves trying to bake the game. It's it was. And it's, you know, speaking again about what Brian's talking about philosophy. It's it's obviously, you know.

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Fred Van Lente: we we like to think umpiring isn't subjective, but obviously it is, and he talks a lot about sort of the the pull between subjectivity and objectivity that all of our, you know, perceptions kind of go through, so as they see him.

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Tad Eggleston: As they see him by Bruce Weber.

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Fred Van Lente: By Bruce. Rubber. Yep.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Heidi MacDonald: So you know, I haven't actually watched this. But has anybody watched a clean sweep?

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Heidi MacDonald: Okay, so this is

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Heidi MacDonald: my my friend Deb. Aoki is always recommending it to me. It's a it's a Korean show, and it's these retired Korean pro baseball players go and play high school teams.

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Heidi MacDonald: and she says it's great. So I I could only say, I'm I'm gonna say, I I need to watch that during my off season. That will be a good.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Heidi MacDonald: Good off season watch. It's called clean sweep. I think it's on Netflix. So

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Tad Eggleston: Yes, it is.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yes, yes, and.

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Fred Van Lente: Or is it a fictional.

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Heidi MacDonald: No, it's a it's actually no, it's real people.

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Tad Eggleston: No, no, it's.

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Heidi MacDonald: It's a game show type thing. Yeah.

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Heidi MacDonald: so I mean, I I can just say the the concept. And I'm just like I don't know what really happens then, but it sounds pretty good. And

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Heidi MacDonald: you know, I'm a big

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Heidi MacDonald: fan, I mean, I don't know if this book is well known or isn't, but I guess it isn't well known, because I don't know if it's well known or not. But you know one of my most Formative books I ever read. I know it was on this Podcast that I 1st publicly mentioned about the great American

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Heidi MacDonald: trading, flipping, bubble, gum, baseball card book which all of us.

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Tad Eggleston: Alright!

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Heidi MacDonald: Our Holy Bible, of course.

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Heidi MacDonald: But the great American novel by Philip Roth.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes.

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Heidi MacDonald: Is. I only read it the one time when I was a kid, but it's haunted my mind ever since, so I should probably go revisit it before I pass.

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Heidi MacDonald: Pass away, and just see how make it come full circle. Because I thought it was. I mean, it's certainly not well regarded, but I enjoyed it.

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Tad Eggleston: I liked it.

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Tad Eggleston: Rob says he read it when he was 20, and when he was 54.

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Tad Eggleston: All right.

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Heidi MacDonald: Alright!

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Tad Eggleston: So, Rob, I gotta. I know you collect umpire books. So I'm assuming you know the Bruce Webber one.

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Rob Neyer: Yeah, how does it rank?

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Rob Neyer: It's great. It's

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Rob Neyer: I mean, I yeah, I basically have

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Rob Neyer: every book ever done written. I've said this before, which is how you know it, probably. But when I.

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Tad Eggleston: Never said it to me before.

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Rob Neyer: I already have lot of umpire books. And then, when I when I wrote the book with Dale Scott

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Rob Neyer: 2 years ago, 3 years ago, I guess. Now.

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Rob Neyer: I went out and got basically the rest of them. So I could have a

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Rob Neyer: fairly solid grounding in literature.

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Rob Neyer: And Weber's book is the only

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Rob Neyer: this is probably an exaggeration, but it's it's certainly the best written book about umpires.

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Rob Neyer: I don't know that it's the best you might. Somebody might choose, like one of the one of the memoirs, Dale Scott's book that I worked on, I hope, or

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Rob Neyer: you know what

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Rob Neyer: trying to think of some of the other guys who wrote books. Most of the but most of them are are not great.

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Rob Neyer: And Weber's book is the only sort of deep dive into

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Rob Neyer: the profession, because not only did he

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Rob Neyer: actually somehow finagled his way into a job working minor League baseball. Those jobs are really hard to get. I really, it's shocking to me that whoever was running the umpiring training system at that time gave him one of those jobs, because typically you have to go to one of the schools and then be one of the top graduates, and I don't recall if he was one of the top graduates, if so

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Rob Neyer: huge credit to him. But it's really hard to get one of those jobs.

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Rob Neyer: You can be a really good, strong candidate and not get a pro job

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Rob Neyer: instead. Do you know, some of those guys come to work in my league

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Rob Neyer: who go to those schools? So the fact that he was able to get one of those jobs. Live that life, drive around. I think he was maybe in the Pioneer League, which is in Upper Upper Midwest or Upper West. It's a different league now, but I think he worked in the Pioneer League

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Rob Neyer: Low Class A for a summer.

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Rob Neyer: and but he also did a lot of reporting with major League umpires. So you get both ends of it. You get the lowest level of pro umpiring and the Major League guys, and it's just by far the best overview of

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Rob Neyer: umpire than anybody's that anybody's done, and

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Rob Neyer: it will never be taught that that book will never be written again, so that that will stand as as the source

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Rob Neyer: or a look at professional umpire. That's that's that's the book, and it's really well done.

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Tad Eggleston: Alrighty Darren.

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Deron Bennett: I'm gonna go in a different direction.

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Deron Bennett: well, video games I don't know if any of you own the switch. But power pros is a little

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Deron Bennett: virtual game that instead of going after Mlb, the show, or anything like that, I downloaded

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Deron Bennett: wbsc, it's an ebaseball game where you like can play against you know, international players and everything like that. And it's just it's more like a throwback to, you know, the classic nes, baseball games and things like that. That's why I enjoy it. It's just simple characters, simple mechanics.

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Deron Bennett: and just fun all around. So if you have a switch and needs.

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Tad Eggleston: WBSC.

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Deron Bennett: Yes, power pros.

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Deron Bennett: and you can download, and it's just easy to play. I I can get my young nephews to play and everything like that. It's just.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Deron Bennett: Wonderful for everybody. And also

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Deron Bennett: if I'm looking on TV,

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Deron Bennett: it got canceled after one season. But I love pitch right. That was something that I enjoyed.

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Heidi MacDonald: I loved that show I love, that.

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Deron Bennett: Yeah, so.

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Heidi MacDonald: Oh, so much!

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Fred Van Lente: That's why people can work on that show.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, but it you know what? Maybe it was good. It ended because the way they were going.

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Deron Bennett: You're watching.

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Heidi MacDonald: Having the romance was just gonna ruin the whole show. So yeah, let's leave it into to our minds. What happens.

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Tad Eggleston: I I was definitely a fan.

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Heidi MacDonald: I think every baseball did. Did anybody ever see ball 4.

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Tad Eggleston: I read.

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Heidi MacDonald: Pub based on.

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Tad Eggleston: No.

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Heidi MacDonald: Outen's book, which he starred in was on when I was a kid.

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Heidi MacDonald: I watched it, and it was only lasted 6 episodes, and yes, it existed. It was a thing, and.

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Tad Eggleston: 1976.

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Heidi MacDonald: 1976, and I probably know

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Heidi MacDonald: copies exist of it. It is lost to time.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, we'll have to search Youtube at some point. It looks like there's there's at least some clips.

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Heidi MacDonald: Hmm.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna toss out a couple of books that I love.

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Tad Eggleston: My sister-in-law gave me a book for Christmas. One year

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Tad Eggleston: called baseball is a road to God, seeing beyond the game by John Sexton.

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Tad Eggleston: She's actually, I forget what school he teaches at.

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Tad Eggleston: It's a class that he teaches.

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Tad Eggleston: Where? Where? At Nyu where he uses baseball as like a jumping off point to to.

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Mark Russell: This morning. How are you.

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Tad Eggleston: Look for greater meaning.

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Deron Bennett: Hmm.

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Tad Eggleston: You know. So it's another philosophy book. It popped into my head when Brian was talking, but then the other one, just because it's

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Tad Eggleston: a. I just love the Cubs and B.

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Tad Eggleston: It's just such a cool idea. Kevin Kay Duck wrote, wrote a book that came out in 2,006 called Wrigley World, a season in baseball's best neighborhood, where.

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Tad Eggleston: of course, he went to.

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Mark Russell: Again.

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Tad Eggleston: He only went to 62 of the 81. I forget exactly what he did for the other ones, because there was specific stuff going on, but he went to almost every home game.

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Tad Eggleston: but never bought tickets before the day of the game.

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Tad Eggleston: so so he'd either buy them if it wasn't sold out. Go to the and went out of his way to try not to pay more than than face values. You got to learn all sorts of crazy stuff like, if you wait until the National Anthem gets played, you can often get tickets at pennies on the dollar.

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Tad Eggleston: Not quite as much now as then, but like it became my roadmap to going to baseball games cheap for a while.

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Tad Eggleston: It was just a fun book.

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Tad Eggleston: so and then I gotta give a shout out to the baseball project. I I love that. There's a band of

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Tad Eggleston: of fantastic rock and rollers, members of Rem and the minus 5, etc. That just write songs about baseball.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I know.

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Heidi MacDonald: Well, you've got to get.

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Heidi MacDonald: You got to get Tiffany Babb on here next time.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I told you to let her know.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I don't have her contact.

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Heidi MacDonald: She's traveling, so I know she's she was. She would not be able to do it. But

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Tad Eggleston: That's that's.

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Heidi MacDonald: Ryan, you know, you know Tiffany, right.

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Brian Baynes: Maybe.

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Heidi MacDonald: Tiffany Bab. She she also writes about comics, and

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Brian Baynes: Oh, yeah, yeah, I think, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, poppers, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I backed her recent Kickstarter.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, she's she's got a lot of baseball stuff going on. So next year we have to have Tiffany on here.

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Tad Eggleston: It seems like every year we find more and more people that are willing to come. So so we'll have to. Who knows? Maybe we'll turn it into a preseason, and

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Tad Eggleston: just one for the mets.

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Fred Van Lente: We're a little over rule overrepresented in this group.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yes, it's true, but and we're so

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Heidi MacDonald: proud to to show it off. You know. What Mark did you do your books?

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Heidi MacDonald: Did you hear your media.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah. Mark.

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Mark Russell: No

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Mark Russell: I've got a couple, I think. Rob mentioned the battered bastards of baseball earlier, which is a documentary about the Portland Mavericks Minor League baseball team that was unaffiliated, not part of the farm team which actually made it

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Mark Russell: kind of fun. Because guys just would show up. And it was very loose, and Kurt Russell played for the

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Mark Russell: the the Mavericks for a while, and it's just a really great documentary about like

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Mark Russell: about baseball as as a profession which can still be fun. And I think there's a lot of lessons in there where, even though you're trying to make money, or you're trying to make a living. There are ways. There are niches, probably, in every economy where you could still make it fun, where you could still

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Mark Russell: kind of make it a good experience for yourself. And and the other recommendation I had was the Harold Lloyd, silent, film speedy, which really isn't about sports. It's about him as a taxi cab driver in New York.

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Mark Russell: But he he's a Yankee, obsessed. He's like always

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Mark Russell: trying to find out what the score is on the Yankees game, and at 1 point he takes his cab to Yankee Stadium and is watching the game there, and he sees his boss there, and so he has to split. But then he outside the stadium he picks up a fare, and it happens to be Babe Ruth, and it is actually Babe Ruth like getting in, you know, acting in the film, and I think it is maybe the best

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Mark Russell: acting performance of not only any baseball player ever, but any professional athlete.

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Mark Russell: because the the premise is that, like Speedy is like driving them through New York. And it's 1 of those things. Maybe the 1st scene in

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Mark Russell: film history where

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Mark Russell: you know the cameras going down this incredibly busy street, all these near misses, people and horses and carriages and bicycles just flying by, and he keeps cutting to like Babe Ruth, and he's just like White knuckle. Terrified. He thinks he's, you know. He's just seeing this stuff goes by, and he's sure that the cab is going to like

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Mark Russell: kill all these people and probably him. And then he gets Babe Ruth to where he's going, and you know, and Babe Ruth gets out and he says, Thanks, I'll I'll call you again when I feel like killing myself.

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Mark Russell: And it was just a great scene. And and yeah, Babe Ruth utterly sold like how terrified he was, and just thinking about audiences in the early 19 twenties that had to be like.

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Mark Russell: I mean comedy aside. It had to be sort of a

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Mark Russell: terrifying sort of stomach dropping experience just because your your mind's eye hadn't acclimated yet to the idea that like oh, no, this isn't really a camera in the cab. The cab isn't actually experiencing this.

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Mark Russell: All these near misses. It's just like, you know, on on a track or a bicycle or something, but it to me it was just like probably one of the best, probably the best scene

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Mark Russell: involving a baseball player in film history, and it was filmed in, I think, 1923.

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Tad Eggleston: It's a 1928 movie. It is on Hbo, Max. So I know what I'm watching after the unauthorized Bash brothers.

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Brian Baynes: Ruth had been in a he had acted in the movie before

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Brian Baynes: that. Yeah, like he had acting experience.

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Tad Eggleston: I know he acted in movies, but this is 28, so would he have done it before this or after this.

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Brian Baynes: Before. It's a silent movie, right, isn't he?

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Mark Russell: He was actually in. He was in. Yeah, he.

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Mark Russell: babe. Ruth did was actually in pride of the Yankees which was filmed.

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Mark Russell: Yes, he was.

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Mark Russell: Think this was his 1st movie.

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Fred Van Lente: Tedious.

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Tad Eggleston: I've got him got him up on, or I've got.

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Brian Baynes: No, he's in the movie called it Heading Home.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Heidi MacDonald: Nice.

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Brian Baynes: I mean.

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Tad Eggleston: He's in some god. Awful movies.

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Brian Baynes: I haven't seen it, but I just remember reading

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Brian Baynes: doing a research project kind of about Babe Ruth and comics.

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Tad Eggleston: I have. I have seen the slide babe slide short. I feel like it was a a bonus on a

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Tad Eggleston: like an Easter egg on a deep one of some baseball movie. DVD. It's bad.

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Tad Eggleston: but but funny because he tears. He tears his pants sliding and then runs to get on the train.

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Heidi MacDonald: Oh, the old hole of the pants gag! Oh, never fail, never fails.

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Tad Eggleston: So since we're comics nuts, there aren't enough American baseball comics.

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Tad Eggleston: Manga gives us a few. We need more of them translated to to to what?

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Tad Eggleston: What? Either historical story or or or fictional type thing

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Tad Eggleston: can you imagine that you would love to see a comic made of.

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Brian Baynes: I just want to say, you boy. Sorry because you brought up Manga. I just think.

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Brian Baynes: Shohei Otani, he loves Manga. He reads it all the time all his teammates joke about him just on his ipad, constantly reading Manga. I think we need Shohei Otani to put his foot into the comics world, and just give some quotes on the back

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Brian Baynes: of some baseball manga, because I mean he has.

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Tad Eggleston: Said that, Major, is the reason.

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Brian Baynes: I know I know.

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Brian Baynes: and Major is not. There's no, you can't buy the book in English, and I'm just it.

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Tad Eggleston: Right now.

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Brian Baynes: You could use point 0 0 1% of his

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Brian Baynes: contract to put all those books in the print. I'm just saying.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Brian Baynes: I think a Show Hill County quote on a manga would go insane. I mean, I know he loves Slam dunk, and I know he likes. I guess he did. I see he read one piece. I don't know, but I just know he's in it, but

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Tad Eggleston: Derek, Derek.

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Brian Baynes: Guy.

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Tad Eggleston: Gonna have to. I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to like

714
01:03:11.390 --> 01:03:18.360
Tad Eggleston: email him now and say so the next time you're talking to show. Hey? Tell him that there's a comics podcast that would love to talk.

715
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:24.019
Brian Baynes: Well, I don't need. I don't even need to talk to him. I'm just saying he needs to do it for the good of the company.

716
01:03:24.020 --> 01:03:24.480
Tad Eggleston: Well, that.

717
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:24.980
Brian Baynes: Cheryl.

718
01:03:24.980 --> 01:03:35.119
Heidi MacDonald: I feel like him being, even though he was in the same market before. I feel like him. Going to the Dodgers has made him even more of a presence to the general public, and.

719
01:03:35.120 --> 01:03:40.282
Brian Baynes: Yeah, yeah, people, you know, none of my friends watch baseball. And so

720
01:03:40.990 --> 01:03:43.159
Brian Baynes: but people know who he is. And that's amazing.

721
01:03:43.710 --> 01:03:45.360
Tad Eggleston: Shohei is special.

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01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:52.080
Brian Baynes: I like, get a little. I'm like, Wow! You actually know who a baseball player is, but they don't know who Aaron Bryce Harper is.

723
01:03:52.080 --> 01:03:54.940
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, but if you did, I betcha, you know.

724
01:03:55.010 --> 01:03:58.200
Heidi MacDonald: I mean, if he could meet Junji Ito, or whoever he would.

725
01:03:59.173 --> 01:04:00.669
Brian Baynes: That's how we have to get him.

726
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:03.599
Tad Eggleston: Heidi, can you make that happen?

727
01:04:03.600 --> 01:04:04.510
Heidi MacDonald: I mean no.

728
01:04:04.510 --> 01:04:07.310
Tad Eggleston: But I can dream about it.

729
01:04:07.650 --> 01:04:10.249
Brian Baynes: Get June Gito a ticket to the dodgers.

730
01:04:10.250 --> 01:04:17.339
Heidi MacDonald: Noda, because that guy never does any public appearances, so that there you go, completely.

731
01:04:17.863 --> 01:04:23.740
Tad Eggleston: I? I know somebody in comics with Dodger season tickets.

732
01:04:23.740 --> 01:04:24.020
Tad Eggleston: Wow!

733
01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:24.755
Tad Eggleston: So.

734
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Brian Baynes: I I mean, there's a lot of dodgers.

735
01:04:28.750 --> 01:04:32.010
Tad Eggleston: And if we can get the people here, the whole.

736
01:04:32.010 --> 01:04:36.670
Brian Baynes: Paul Hernandez, brothers! They all. They're all dodgers fans Yup.

737
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:39.729
Brian Baynes: I went to Dodger Stadium with Jaime in case.

738
01:04:39.730 --> 01:04:42.100
Heidi MacDonald: Nice. Wow! Nice.

739
01:04:42.100 --> 01:04:43.189
Brian Baynes: I'll enjoy that.

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Brian Baynes: That was really fun. But anyways, I just had to say, Show, hey, we need you.

741
01:04:48.300 --> 01:04:51.300
Brian Baynes: There's no baseball manga in English. We need it.

742
01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:52.090
Heidi MacDonald: Hmm.

743
01:04:52.430 --> 01:04:55.730
Tad Eggleston: There's cross game, and there's ace of the diamond.

744
01:04:56.071 --> 01:05:00.849
Brian Baynes: Have I published one? I brought it because that's the reason I'm here is

745
01:05:00.860 --> 01:05:05.570
Brian Baynes: back here. I would love to know if Showhey's ever heard of it, because it's from 1947.

746
01:05:05.590 --> 01:05:08.769
Tad Eggleston: But just send them a copy.

747
01:05:08.770 --> 01:05:13.140
Brian Baynes: Yeah, we we've talked about it, but I don't think it's possible. Someone.

748
01:05:13.140 --> 01:05:14.920
Tad Eggleston: Said, it's a dodger stadium.

749
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:16.219
Brian Baynes: Yeah, I don't know.

750
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Heidi MacDonald: Have you talked to the Dodgers? Pr people?

751
01:05:18.870 --> 01:05:24.069
Heidi MacDonald: It kind of feels no, it's not even close. I it doesn't feel obtainable.

752
01:05:24.070 --> 01:05:27.839
Heidi MacDonald: No, I got to meet. I got Dan Didil to meet Matt Harvey.

753
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:28.500
Brian Baynes: Oh, that's.

754
01:05:28.500 --> 01:05:34.780
Heidi MacDonald: Give him a dark knight batman gift set. So yeah, maybe.

755
01:05:34.780 --> 01:05:36.009
Heidi MacDonald: No, you know.

756
01:05:37.600 --> 01:05:38.170
Mark Russell: It took a.

757
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Heidi MacDonald: A lot of connections to

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01:05:42.670 --> 01:05:47.110
Brian Baynes: Maybe once he's retired in 10 years we'll finally get her more than 10. Who knows.

759
01:05:47.510 --> 01:05:48.100
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah.

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Fred Van Lente: I'm gonna do a a totally self surveying.

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Fred Van Lente: Oh.

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Fred Van Lente: version, which is one of the 1st comics I ever did at Marvel, was an issue of marvel ventures spider-man, where

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01:05:59.530 --> 01:06:07.800
Fred Van Lente: Peter Parker does something spider Sensey, and gets drafted to be the shortstop on his high school baseball team.

764
01:06:07.990 --> 01:06:09.360
Fred Van Lente: But the opposing.

765
01:06:10.210 --> 01:06:12.759
Mark Russell: And of course.

766
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:20.319
Fred Van Lente: Course Norman Osborne is insane, and you know, can't stand that. Peter keeps showing him up on the on the ball field. So

767
01:06:20.890 --> 01:06:23.100
Fred Van Lente: the green goblin tries to murder him.

768
01:06:23.600 --> 01:06:31.579
Fred Van Lente: and I bring that up only because I love this. The people listening won't be able to appreciate this. But I wanted to share this amazing.

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Heidi MacDonald: Oh, man!

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Tad Eggleston: Adventures, number.

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Fred Van Lente: Cover.

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Tad Eggleston: Is that 34.

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Fred Van Lente: That is marvel adventure. Spider-man. Volume one, number 34.

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Heidi MacDonald: Wow! With the with the logo they ripped off from Disney. Adventures. Same swoosh! Everything.

775
01:06:47.922 --> 01:06:48.890
Fred Van Lente: Why do you?

776
01:06:48.890 --> 01:06:50.900
Fred Van Lente: I'm sorry I didn't. I didn't mean to trigger you.

777
01:06:50.900 --> 01:06:54.069
Heidi MacDonald: No, it's okay. I forgot about it until now. So hmm.

778
01:06:54.720 --> 01:06:56.440
Fred Van Lente: But yeah, I just that's Patrick.

779
01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:57.329
Tad Eggleston: Well, but did they?

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Tad Eggleston: Everybody? I gotta go. Thanks for having me have a great one.

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Tad Eggleston: Hi! Mark!

782
01:07:01.740 --> 01:07:03.080
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah. Take care. Mark.

783
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:11.069
Tad Eggleston: Because I mean Disney owns marvel. So is it really ripping off.

784
01:07:13.570 --> 01:07:14.120
Fred Van Lente: Then.

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Heidi MacDonald: They didn't. They didn't want marvel.

786
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Fred Van Lente: 7.

787
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:20.750
Heidi MacDonald: Not in 1997. It was a Oh, okay, strip off.

788
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:25.819
Tad Eggleston: Maybe that's how they wound up owning marvel they threatened to Sue.

789
01:07:27.040 --> 01:07:37.549
Tad Eggleston: Maybe maybe I'm going to say the the thing that I tell anybody who

790
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Tad Eggleston: lives in Japan to watch out for me is

791
01:07:44.650 --> 01:07:53.149
Tad Eggleston: because this this is a real thing that's just so perfect for manga that I have to believe that it will eventually be made into one if it hasn't already

792
01:07:54.120 --> 01:08:02.539
Tad Eggleston: in like slow pitch softball league in Tokyo.

793
01:08:03.160 --> 01:08:14.800
Tad Eggleston: and apparently the slow pitch softball. It gets taken just as seriously as all the other baseball on top in Japan, like you've got Pta teams out for blood.

794
01:08:14.990 --> 01:08:17.760
Tad Eggleston: The one team that's not out for blood.

795
01:08:20.069 --> 01:08:26.879
Tad Eggleston: They get the crap beaten out of them on a regular basis is the retired Yakuza team.

796
01:08:30.470 --> 01:08:41.079
Tad Eggleston: There was a New York Times article on them. They literally changed their uniforms from gold and black to pink and black, because they were scaring the teams they were playing against.

797
01:08:41.370 --> 01:08:46.539
Tad Eggleston: and they wanted to send them the message that it was okay to beat the crap out of them.

798
01:08:47.420 --> 01:08:52.596
Tad Eggleston: But but the team combined has spent more than 250 years in prison.

799
01:08:55.012 --> 01:09:00.119
Heidi MacDonald: And I just I feel like I mean, you've got the the the.

800
01:09:00.430 --> 01:09:06.370
Tad Eggleston: The retired Yakuza housewand you've got, you know.

801
01:09:06.660 --> 01:09:16.339
Tad Eggleston: cooking in the dungeon. Manga is all about combining crazy things. So so the fact that there is actual real life.

802
01:09:16.660 --> 01:09:20.630
Tad Eggleston: retired Yakuza, playing softball in Japan.

803
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Tad Eggleston: I feel like there has to be a manga along those lines.

804
01:09:26.250 --> 01:09:28.032
Tad Eggleston: And just I wanna see it.

805
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Brian Baynes: There is a lot of baseball manga I have.

806
01:09:32.810 --> 01:09:34.419
Brian Baynes: I don't know where it is now.

807
01:09:34.789 --> 01:09:46.230
Brian Baynes: The the guy who translated back kid. He's a huge baseball fan, Ryan Holmberg, and he's given me quite a few books in Japanese, just being like, maybe we should do this, maybe, you know. Like, look at this one. And

808
01:09:46.529 --> 01:09:52.432
Brian Baynes: some of it's just flat out, amazing looking. I I can't read it. I don't speak Japanese. But

809
01:09:53.069 --> 01:09:53.880
Brian Baynes: yeah.

810
01:09:53.990 --> 01:10:00.350
Brian Baynes: yeah, there's just a lot of potential. And I think Shohei Otani would be a perfect candidate to edit that series. And.

811
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Tad Eggleston: Yes.

812
01:10:01.440 --> 01:10:02.020
Fred Van Lente: Yes.

813
01:10:02.020 --> 01:10:05.530
Tad Eggleston: He could just publish it. He can afford to publish it.

814
01:10:05.530 --> 01:10:11.059
Brian Baynes: I, and I'd be willing to help, and you know what out of the goodness of my heart I could get on on.

815
01:10:11.190 --> 01:10:14.549
Tad Eggleston: I think you should send them a copy of Bat Kid and a letter.

816
01:10:15.650 --> 01:10:20.999
Brian Baynes: I think. Yeah, I'm sure he has time between his new balance and whatever other.

817
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Tad Eggleston: Except.

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Heidi MacDonald: It doesn't.

819
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Tad Eggleston: Have time he has to. He has to put his name on it. That's it.

820
01:10:27.140 --> 01:10:27.920
Brian Baynes: It's true.

821
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Tad Eggleston: That's it.

822
01:10:29.940 --> 01:10:35.650
Heidi MacDonald: You know, you know that was another great moment. The season is when Shohei, Otani's dog.

823
01:10:35.910 --> 01:10:36.310
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

824
01:10:36.310 --> 01:10:37.230
Heidi MacDonald: 1st pitch.

825
01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:38.350
Heidi MacDonald: It was awesome.

826
01:10:38.864 --> 01:10:43.166
Heidi MacDonald: It was. It was just great, I mean.

827
01:10:43.500 --> 01:10:45.809
Fred Van Lente: Yeah, there's no Huatoui girl, but.

828
01:10:45.810 --> 01:10:47.410
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, yeah, I mean.

829
01:10:47.410 --> 01:11:00.620
Heidi MacDonald: I mean, there was just there was so many magical magical things. But you know, the one sad thing that happened this year? Was it really tragically broke? My heart was when the white Sox beat the mets, the the 62 mets

830
01:11:01.150 --> 01:11:03.799
Heidi MacDonald: record for most. Yeah. But that.

831
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:04.660
Tad Eggleston: But how about this?

832
01:11:04.660 --> 01:11:05.369
Heidi MacDonald: Sure there was a.

833
01:11:05.370 --> 01:11:08.679
Tad Eggleston: The whites. The White Sox don't even know how to lose right.

834
01:11:11.170 --> 01:11:21.969
Tad Eggleston: One of their 2, 3 game, winning streaks of the entire season was sweeping the angels at home when they were at 119 losses.

835
01:11:24.240 --> 01:11:25.330
Tad Eggleston: Right?

836
01:11:25.330 --> 01:11:27.860
Tad Eggleston: So they don't, and I don't. And I was like record.

837
01:11:27.860 --> 01:11:28.499
Heidi MacDonald: They're going to do it.

838
01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:30.940
Tad Eggleston: Troy rather than in front of the hometown.

839
01:11:31.490 --> 01:11:33.610
Tad Eggleston: Only 3 sellouts of the year.

840
01:11:33.610 --> 01:11:40.150
Heidi MacDonald: God is going to step in and protect those 62 mets by putting these white socks on a pair.

841
01:11:40.570 --> 01:11:45.579
Heidi MacDonald: Well, isn't it? Wasn't it like, though, that the mets still have the worst winning percentage.

842
01:11:45.580 --> 01:11:46.940
Heidi MacDonald: Thank God!

843
01:11:46.940 --> 01:11:48.480
Fred Van Lente: Played slightly, more games.

844
01:11:48.480 --> 01:11:50.389
Heidi MacDonald: Yes, yes.

845
01:11:50.390 --> 01:11:51.080
Fred Van Lente: Seasons, longer.

846
01:11:51.350 --> 01:12:00.080
Heidi MacDonald: Yes, exactly. So. They played 8 more games, so they still have some sort of recognition for terribleness. It's just it just feels wrong.

847
01:12:00.210 --> 01:12:05.220
Heidi MacDonald: But what made the White Sox so bad? I mean, how do they get so many bad players.

848
01:12:06.180 --> 01:12:06.820
Tad Eggleston: Reinstorff.

849
01:12:06.820 --> 01:12:07.620
Deron Bennett: Ownership.

850
01:12:08.260 --> 01:12:08.859
Tad Eggleston: Ryan store.

851
01:12:08.860 --> 01:12:11.160
Tad Eggleston: I didn't actually Reinstorff.

852
01:12:12.480 --> 01:12:14.100
Brian Baynes: And it's up there.

853
01:12:14.100 --> 01:12:16.150
Brian Baynes: They're also insanely.

854
01:12:16.150 --> 01:12:18.990
Tad Eggleston: Of Chicago would like to build them a 2 billion dollars stadium.

855
01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:23.630
Brian Baynes: Yeah.

856
01:12:26.250 --> 01:12:41.180
Heidi MacDonald: You know that was that was another. That was another event was Hurricane Milton ripping the the the roof right off of the ray stadium there. That was incredible. Now, they're not going to be able to play there for 2 years. So they're gonna have to play in a.

857
01:12:41.180 --> 01:12:48.960
Tad Eggleston: Well, and now and now their deal for a stadium is apparently on on

858
01:12:49.200 --> 01:12:54.520
Tad Eggleston: thin ice at this point, too, so like they're headed to Steinbrenner Field next year.

859
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:56.159
Heidi MacDonald: And and.

860
01:12:56.160 --> 01:13:00.380
Tad Eggleston: They don't know where. From there we have more more short

861
01:13:00.380 --> 01:13:14.369
Tad Eggleston: still, headed to Vegas. But Oakland also hasn't actually showed actual plans for a stadium or vega in Vegas? Or had anybody say how it's gonna get paid for so we have 2 nomad teams right.

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01:13:14.370 --> 01:13:16.460
Heidi MacDonald: All right. That's crazy.

863
01:13:16.820 --> 01:13:20.320
Fred Van Lente: Field is nice. I've been there, but it it seats like

864
01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:22.740
Fred Van Lente: 1213,000 people or something.

865
01:13:22.740 --> 01:13:23.450
Brian Baynes: So many ways.

866
01:13:23.450 --> 01:13:24.559
Brian Baynes: That's how many.

867
01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:25.300
Fred Van Lente: Go anywhere.

868
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:26.710
Fred Van Lente: Yeah, that's something.

869
01:13:26.710 --> 01:13:31.320
Brian Baynes: Been there, too. It's we. It's the same dimensions as Yankee stadium.

870
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Tad Eggleston: Except for the seating area.

871
01:13:36.230 --> 01:13:38.210
Heidi MacDonald: Right, but that's how you know people don't

872
01:13:38.210 --> 01:13:41.090
Heidi MacDonald: raise the raise draw. So that's fine.

873
01:13:41.090 --> 01:13:45.010
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they might actually have higher attendance than last year.

874
01:13:45.240 --> 01:13:52.760
Brian Baynes: I don't know, man, it's gonna be hot. That's the thing that's kind of terrifying. That's gonna like a a July game there, August game. There, that's kind of

875
01:13:53.340 --> 01:13:54.770
Brian Baynes: yeah, it's kind of scary.

876
01:13:54.770 --> 01:14:02.069
Fred Van Lente: But the like cause. My in laws live in Saint Pete. The issue has always been. There's this giant bridge, right connecting the.

877
01:14:02.070 --> 01:14:03.470
Brian Baynes: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

878
01:14:03.470 --> 01:14:10.469
Fred Van Lente: So that's why nobody. It's partly why nobody goes. I mean, the real reason nobody goes is because everybody in Florida roots for a spring training team.

879
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:11.940
Brian Baynes: Yeah. Yeah.

880
01:14:11.940 --> 01:14:20.939
Brian Baynes: My grandmother lived in Sarasota. So I used to go every year and go to orioles and pirates and Yankees, and those are like the ones that were kind of within the driving.

881
01:14:21.290 --> 01:14:26.939
Fred Van Lente: I. I went to my 1st spring training game this year, and the Mets built this beautiful field. But it's like

882
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:33.789
Fred Van Lente: it's like in. It's a town called Port Saint Lucie, a town I would only hear of because I'm a mets fan

883
01:14:34.320 --> 01:14:46.830
Fred Van Lente: is like in the middle of just like this gnarly like gravel, like flea, like flea market State Fair. It's like in the middle of nowhere, like it just dropped out of the sky, and I'm just like

884
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Fred Van Lente: it was just sort of fascinating to me that they that there is this friendly.

885
01:14:52.270 --> 01:14:57.200
Fred Van Lente: you know, high tech complex in the middle of a town, but, as far as I could tell.

886
01:14:57.460 --> 01:15:04.070
Fred Van Lente: their major export, or at least their their major industry was the same. Condo complex just

887
01:15:05.510 --> 01:15:11.860
Fred Van Lente: did, one after the other just rows and rows and rows of palm trees and Mcmansions. It was bizarre.

888
01:15:12.810 --> 01:15:14.839
Fred Van Lente: although what was cool was, it's

889
01:15:15.190 --> 01:15:24.350
Fred Van Lente: it's on the east coast, right? So it's it's south of Cape Canaveral. And so we actually saw a rock. We were trying to see a rocket launch, and we saw one from the Ballpark.

890
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Heidi MacDonald: That's awesome.

891
01:15:26.160 --> 01:15:27.360
Fred Van Lente: Going up.

892
01:15:27.360 --> 01:15:27.980
Heidi MacDonald: Nice.

893
01:15:27.980 --> 01:15:31.319
Fred Van Lente: Miles to the north you could still see it in the ballpark. It was pretty neat.

894
01:15:32.040 --> 01:15:35.100
Tad Eggleston: But that it's that reminds me.

895
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Tad Eggleston: when I was talking with Brian Azzarello and Stephanie Phillips at C. 2 E. 2,

896
01:15:40.470 --> 01:15:47.810
Tad Eggleston: they they were telling me that they went to the eclipse game in Cleveland this year.

897
01:15:47.810 --> 01:15:48.960
Fred Van Lente: Oh, cool!

898
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:58.499
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, as Rello's a big guardians and cubs fan more baseball, lots of baseball.

899
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Tad Eggleston: Oh, any other stories that we think could make good comics.

900
01:16:04.110 --> 01:16:10.420
Tad Eggleston: Darren, you were cooking something for a while that that I never got to hear about. I just gave you a list of people who like.

901
01:16:10.590 --> 01:16:14.263
Deron Bennett: Yeah, whisper, we're still in progress with that. So

902
01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:15.230
Tad Eggleston: Still cooking.

903
01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:25.130
Deron Bennett: It's still cooking. It's still cooking. Yeah. Me and my partner been shuffling ideas around. It'll be a anthology type thing. But yeah, it should be. Should be a lot of fun.

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Deron Bennett: I would love to see

905
01:16:31.293 --> 01:16:37.959
Deron Bennett: stories beyond Jackie Robinson just going to the negro leagues and just showcasing different talents from that era. It's just.

906
01:16:38.480 --> 01:16:39.640
Tad Eggleston: You too? Yeah.

907
01:16:40.440 --> 01:16:43.990
Fred Van Lente: I mean frankly, in a lot of ways I'd love to see.

908
01:16:44.940 --> 01:16:51.289
Tad Eggleston: Any baseball stories period from like the early teens through

909
01:16:51.870 --> 01:16:57.060
Tad Eggleston: the the forties or fifties. I think you know the train years. You could, just

910
01:16:57.570 --> 01:17:04.080
Tad Eggleston: whether you were writing actual history or fiction. You could do so many interesting things.

911
01:17:05.290 --> 01:17:11.400
Tad Eggleston: Because of the people who hung out around the ballpark. And and you know the the game.

912
01:17:11.660 --> 01:17:19.670
Tad Eggleston: Now the game's, you know, part of white collar crime back then it's still like was up against.

913
01:17:21.550 --> 01:17:22.140
Fred Van Lente: The.

914
01:17:22.140 --> 01:17:29.460
Tad Eggleston: So Rob has to go. Be Commissioner this afternoon. So he is saying, bye, rob.

915
01:17:30.430 --> 01:17:31.470
Heidi MacDonald: See? You, yeah.

916
01:17:31.470 --> 01:17:33.580
Tad Eggleston: See you next time, I hope. Yeah.

917
01:17:33.870 --> 01:17:34.780
Rob Neyer: Bye-bye.

918
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:41.699
Tad Eggleston: But but I totally agree. I think you could make a satchel page comic. I think you could make.

919
01:17:42.170 --> 01:17:46.049
Tad Eggleston: You could take all of those stories that Buck O'neill

920
01:17:46.070 --> 01:17:57.919
Tad Eggleston: told, you know, at some point I like one of my dreams is to to get a handful of comics creators into a room or a zoom chat with Bob Kendrick, and just like pitch it hard.

921
01:17:58.463 --> 01:18:04.410
Tad Eggleston: You know this is there is a satchel page comic.

922
01:18:04.410 --> 01:18:04.930
Tad Eggleston: Yep.

923
01:18:04.930 --> 01:18:05.639
Fred Van Lente: Yeah, 30.

924
01:18:06.290 --> 01:18:11.499
Tad Eggleston: The actual page strikes out Jim Crow, by James Sturm, and and.

925
01:18:11.500 --> 01:18:13.260
Brian Baynes: Yeah. Oh, I think you just said you want.

926
01:18:13.260 --> 01:18:13.840
Tad Eggleston: Rich tomato.

927
01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:16.509
Brian Baynes: And I was like that. One's already done.

928
01:18:17.070 --> 01:18:19.340
Tad Eggleston: Well, but there are so many satchels.

929
01:18:19.340 --> 01:18:20.710
Brian Baynes: Sure. Yeah, yeah, of course.

930
01:18:20.710 --> 01:18:21.490
Tad Eggleston: I mean

931
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:27.839
Tad Eggleston: that one wasn't even hugely about satchel. It was a fictional story of somebody going and watching satchel.

932
01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:28.879
Brian Baynes: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

933
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:29.440
Deron Bennett: There!

934
01:18:29.860 --> 01:18:30.630
Fred Van Lente: I was.

935
01:18:30.630 --> 01:18:31.080
Tad Eggleston: You know.

936
01:18:31.080 --> 01:18:36.829
Fred Van Lente: Week started out I went. I went to a funeral, so so that was fun. But at the wake afterwards I was talking to the

937
01:18:37.330 --> 01:18:44.240
Fred Van Lente: older guy who was talking about like this is like deep, deep, like super Mega, Italian, Brooklyn.

938
01:18:44.420 --> 01:18:46.840
Fred Van Lente: and he was talking about like

939
01:18:47.060 --> 01:18:54.709
Fred Van Lente: like running and flipping like baseball cards in the nineties when it was like remember in 91, when the market just went like huge

940
01:18:54.850 --> 01:19:09.090
Fred Van Lente: and obviously that kind of ended up catching up the comic stores, and that as well. And so it's actually a part of the comic story. So it would be. It would be fun to do like an American buffalo type, like crime Heist with the the exploding baseball market in 1991.

941
01:19:09.090 --> 01:19:10.740
Heidi MacDonald: You could do uncut gems.

942
01:19:11.376 --> 01:19:12.649
Heidi MacDonald: Yes, yes.

943
01:19:12.650 --> 01:19:13.449
Fred Van Lente: Percent yeah.

944
01:19:13.450 --> 01:19:14.919
Brian Baynes: Yeah, I mean, I know.

945
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:15.440
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah.

946
01:19:15.440 --> 01:19:21.089
Brian Baynes: There is certainly some hustlers out there. There's no, and I bet some of them made money.

947
01:19:21.610 --> 01:19:23.650
Fred Van Lente: Yeah, well, in 91.

948
01:19:23.650 --> 01:19:23.970
Brian Baynes: Yeah.

949
01:19:23.970 --> 01:19:24.570
Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean.

950
01:19:24.570 --> 01:19:27.299
Brian Baynes: Yeah, if if you got out and did it in time. Yeah.

951
01:19:27.300 --> 01:19:30.070
Tad Eggleston: What was the story? It wasn't 1 of the

952
01:19:31.110 --> 01:19:34.700
Tad Eggleston: wasn't there a Honus Wagner card that that got

953
01:19:40.360 --> 01:19:44.096
Tad Eggleston: The the edges filed down with a laser, and then.

954
01:19:44.470 --> 01:19:48.760
Brian Baynes: Didn't. It's the Wayne Gretzky one right? Didn't he own it? Am I correct? Is that is that.

955
01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:51.670
Tad Eggleston: I don't know. I'm trying to look it up right now.

956
01:19:52.080 --> 01:19:58.159
Brian Baynes: It's the one that's yeah. There's a lot of questions about that one, the T, 2 0, 7.

957
01:19:58.160 --> 01:20:03.670
Heidi MacDonald: Oh, what they they thought it was shaved down, or something.

958
01:20:03.670 --> 01:20:10.900
Tad Eggleston: No, there. There was one. Somebody bought one and then shaved it down, and then

959
01:20:11.270 --> 01:20:16.990
Tad Eggleston: brought it back on the market, saying it was a recently found best ever condition.

960
01:20:16.990 --> 01:20:17.930
Heidi MacDonald: Whoa!

961
01:20:18.360 --> 01:20:18.810
Tad Eggleston: Because.

962
01:20:18.830 --> 01:20:19.340
Heidi MacDonald: Really.

963
01:20:19.340 --> 01:20:24.659
Tad Eggleston: What they've done is they'd use a laser to just trim edgy just enough to make it.

964
01:20:24.660 --> 01:20:26.389
Heidi MacDonald: Smooth it down. Wow!

965
01:20:26.390 --> 01:20:27.190
Tad Eggleston: Right.

966
01:20:27.190 --> 01:20:27.910
Heidi MacDonald: Wow!

967
01:20:28.587 --> 01:20:34.529
Heidi MacDonald: Has. Have all you guys read lost Diamonds by Ellen Lindner.

968
01:20:34.710 --> 01:20:35.370
Tad Eggleston: Yes.

969
01:20:35.370 --> 01:20:38.339
Heidi MacDonald: Yes, because I was gonna say she does these.

970
01:20:38.340 --> 01:20:40.060
Tad Eggleston: I invited her. She was busy.

971
01:20:40.060 --> 01:20:49.640
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, so well, you gotta have her on, obviously. But she does the historical comments about women in baseball, and she has some great Negro League stories in there, and and a lot of lot of good stuff

972
01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:50.210
Heidi MacDonald: I got.

973
01:20:50.210 --> 01:20:51.230
Tad Eggleston: Well to.

974
01:20:51.230 --> 01:20:52.549
Heidi MacDonald: No idea.

975
01:20:52.770 --> 01:20:57.240
Tad Eggleston: She. She did a great great issue on Effa Manley.

976
01:20:57.745 --> 01:20:58.250
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah.

977
01:20:58.350 --> 01:21:00.470
Tad Eggleston: Well, who I've never heard of.

978
01:21:00.700 --> 01:21:06.240
Tad Eggleston: Efa Manly is another one that you could absolutely just mine for

979
01:21:06.930 --> 01:21:15.489
Tad Eggleston: so much, or you know the Pittsburgh Crawfords and Gus Greenlee. You know you got the the Pittsburgh numbers runner

980
01:21:16.430 --> 01:21:24.091
Tad Eggleston: built his own stadium because, believe it or not, teams can build their own stadiums. They don't need cities to do it.

981
01:21:26.160 --> 01:21:26.740
Fred Van Lente: Well,

982
01:21:28.370 --> 01:21:33.770
Fred Van Lente: got to go to Cooperstown for the 1st time in like a decade this year they have a fantastic women in baseball.

983
01:21:34.150 --> 01:21:34.530
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

984
01:21:34.870 --> 01:21:36.219
Fred Van Lente: Exhibit. That's really neat.

985
01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:46.040
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I haven't been to Cooperstown in a couple of years, but it's has everybody. Well, has everybody made it to the Hall of Fame? I know.

986
01:21:46.040 --> 01:21:47.279
Heidi MacDonald: I haven't. I've never met.

987
01:21:47.710 --> 01:21:49.169
Brian Baynes: I've never been either.

988
01:21:49.170 --> 01:21:49.790
Deron Bennett: Nope.

989
01:21:49.790 --> 01:21:52.269
Tad Eggleston: Well, then, we're gonna have to like.

990
01:21:52.270 --> 01:21:52.709
Fred Van Lente: Field trip.

991
01:21:52.710 --> 01:21:53.730
Tad Eggleston: Do a pill permission.

992
01:21:53.730 --> 01:21:54.460
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah.

993
01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:57.959
Tad Eggleston: I'll do the baseball and comics road trip.

994
01:21:59.290 --> 01:22:02.950
Brian Baynes: Road trip. All my road trips are for comics. I need to change it.

995
01:22:02.950 --> 01:22:03.629
Heidi MacDonald: I know right.

996
01:22:03.630 --> 01:22:07.819
Tad Eggleston: What we need to do is arrange for a mini comic con in Cooperstown.

997
01:22:07.820 --> 01:22:09.900
Brian Baynes: And Brian will go.

998
01:22:10.850 --> 01:22:14.930
Fred Van Lente: In the middle of effing. Nowhere like it.

999
01:22:14.930 --> 01:22:16.270
Brian Baynes: I know, I know.

1000
01:22:16.270 --> 01:22:19.590
Fred Van Lente: But it was mobbed when I was there, and we were there like on a Tuesday

1001
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:27.119
Fred Van Lente: woman's pushing a stroller through the thing, and she just yells out, Why is this place here?

1002
01:22:29.525 --> 01:22:31.819
Heidi MacDonald: Like you, said Lady.

1003
01:22:31.820 --> 01:22:45.930
Heidi MacDonald: It's funny because I was taking the well, my family lives in Maine, and I take the bus quite a few times, and like. Just one day it happened to go through Springfield, Massachusetts, and I was like, Oh, look! It's the basketball hall of Fame.

1004
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:47.630
Fred Van Lente: Yes, like.

1005
01:22:47.630 --> 01:22:48.739
Heidi MacDonald: Hall of Fame is like

1006
01:22:48.740 --> 01:22:54.449
Heidi MacDonald: it's not in the middle of nowhere at all. It's in a little town, you know. But where's the hockey. I've been by the hockey hall of Fame, too.

1007
01:22:54.450 --> 01:23:01.780
Fred Van Lente: It's the only hall of fame I've ever been to that has a stone cold, creamy creamery in the inside, so the entire place smells like ice cream

1008
01:23:01.780 --> 01:23:04.189
Fred Van Lente: like so highway. It's brutal, man.

1009
01:23:04.190 --> 01:23:19.670
Heidi MacDonald: That's amazing. You know what? This is. A good segue for me to bring up one other topic that's burning, burning me. Okay? So in the Hall of Fame. They have. The Omg sign is officially in the Hall of Fame. Now to commemorate the Mets. 24 season.

1010
01:23:20.060 --> 01:23:24.280
Heidi MacDonald: you know. You know who we should do a manga about Jose Iglesias.

1011
01:23:24.770 --> 01:23:34.650
Heidi MacDonald: How does this happen like I mean, I I understand that you can make music in your living room now with, you know the the pro tools that we have, but, like

1012
01:23:35.970 --> 01:23:42.899
Heidi MacDonald: you know, how does your your backup second baseman suddenly have a hit song? And where does he go from here? I mean, like, like.

1013
01:23:42.900 --> 01:23:43.250
Fred Van Lente: Urgent.

1014
01:23:43.250 --> 01:23:51.210
Heidi MacDonald: Is he? Is he? Is he going to tour? Is he going to be with Pitbull? I mean, what what does he do for what do we think Jose Iglesias is going to do

1015
01:23:51.240 --> 01:23:52.540
Heidi MacDonald: with his life?

1016
01:23:55.400 --> 01:23:57.749
Fred Van Lente: In depends on what team he signs with. Right.

1017
01:23:57.750 --> 01:23:58.420
Deron Bennett: Hang on!

1018
01:23:59.350 --> 01:24:02.321
Heidi MacDonald: Oh, my God! Is done! If he signs with another team, that's it!

1019
01:24:02.550 --> 01:24:04.130
Fred Van Lente: That's it, right?

1020
01:24:04.500 --> 01:24:17.625
Heidi MacDonald: I mean, that's I mean, that's another thing, just about 24. It'll never happen. Also, by the way, not if. But when the met Sign Juan Soto. I believe it was it was

1021
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:23.529
Heidi MacDonald: Oh, the mother of Peterson, David Peterson's mother.

1022
01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:29.079
Heidi MacDonald: and who said, You know these? They would never have had. Oh, my God! With Scherzer and degrom!

1023
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:34.599
Heidi MacDonald: And she's a hundred percent right like like those it it took these kind of humble.

1024
01:24:34.820 --> 01:24:41.610
Heidi MacDonald: humble utility, itinerant players to really go with the grimace and go with oh, my God! You know, when Soto comes

1025
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:42.840
Heidi MacDonald: there's not gonna be.

1026
01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:43.350
Brian Baynes: It was.

1027
01:24:43.885 --> 01:24:44.420
Heidi MacDonald: Really.

1028
01:24:44.420 --> 01:24:52.150
Brian Baynes: It was the same with 2019 nationals, you know the price Harper had to leave, and then we got baby shark and all that stupid.

1029
01:24:52.150 --> 01:24:54.219
Brian Baynes: Yeah, this all the way.

1030
01:24:54.220 --> 01:24:57.450
Heidi MacDonald: That's right. And what has Bryce Harper done since then?

1031
01:24:58.030 --> 01:25:01.710
Heidi MacDonald: He's sent to Philadelphia Nonstop.

1032
01:25:01.710 --> 01:25:05.789
Heidi MacDonald: Yes, but he keeps losing. He can't stop losing.

1033
01:25:05.790 --> 01:25:09.930
Brian Baynes: Yeah, alright, I have to get out of here. Great talking guys. Thanks for having me to reach out.

1034
01:25:09.930 --> 01:25:11.750
Tad Eggleston: See you, Brian. Bye?

1035
01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:14.510
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we should probably wind down.

1036
01:25:14.510 --> 01:25:15.050
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah.

1037
01:25:15.050 --> 01:25:16.240
Tad Eggleston: But I I.

1038
01:25:16.240 --> 01:25:21.029
Heidi MacDonald: All the mets. Fans just came over.

1039
01:25:21.030 --> 01:25:26.838
Tad Eggleston: It's now. It's now the mets. Podcast. And I'm gonna lose all of my cubs. Fan, like

1040
01:25:27.910 --> 01:25:41.280
Tad Eggleston: Ron Santo, is is turning over in his grave right now, I mean, I grew up listening to him on the radio, and I'm pretty certain pat Hughes just kept his hand on the cough button. When they were playing the mets.

1041
01:25:42.010 --> 01:25:45.365
Tad Eggleston: It was always these, Matt's.

1042
01:25:49.240 --> 01:25:50.460
Tad Eggleston: yeah, yeah.

1043
01:25:50.790 --> 01:25:56.359
Tad Eggleston: But I I felt good for you guys. I you know, I I like any any good baseball story.

1044
01:25:56.731 --> 01:26:10.819
Tad Eggleston: In fact, I think one of the reasons I like the fact that that the the Cardinals and the Yankees are never truly bad is, I never have to feel good for them when they have their underdog gear.

1045
01:26:12.750 --> 01:26:17.709
Tad Eggleston: The mets. I'm okay with it. And and you know there was something fitting about it being being the year.

1046
01:26:17.930 --> 01:26:27.410
Tad Eggleston: you know. I mean, it's where Willie Mays wrapped up his career so so to see them in in the year Willie passes, you know.

1047
01:26:27.410 --> 01:26:28.760
Fred Van Lente: Number to start the year.

1048
01:26:29.080 --> 01:26:29.880
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

1049
01:26:31.900 --> 01:26:37.979
Tad Eggleston: But yeah, I also remember watch watching Dwight. Good and mowdown cubs.

1050
01:26:37.980 --> 01:26:40.279
Tad Eggleston: So you know, I still.

1051
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:45.260
Heidi MacDonald: Would you know who was the who was the Nationals fan, who was on here.

1052
01:26:45.790 --> 01:26:46.320
Tad Eggleston: Ryan! Bang!

1053
01:26:46.320 --> 01:26:46.900
Heidi MacDonald: Right? Right?

1054
01:26:47.280 --> 01:26:55.689
Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bubbles bubbles. But you know they had Winker earlier in the year, and he was doing some wild shit when he was with the Nationals as well.

1055
01:26:55.690 --> 01:26:56.090
Heidi MacDonald: Are you

1056
01:26:56.090 --> 01:27:02.330
Heidi MacDonald: dressing up, as you know, on the 4th of July game? He's dressed up as Uncle Sam, so you know they had the winker magic.

1057
01:27:02.580 --> 01:27:03.070
Tad Eggleston: Alright!

1058
01:27:03.070 --> 01:27:13.497
Heidi MacDonald: And but they could not capitalize on that winker magic. You know. It took the mets. And then but it's it's like it's it's it is like this.

1059
01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:33.980
Heidi MacDonald: you know movie, it's like a mirror. Well, I it's anyway. It's like the movie where they show what happened to everybody at the end right? Because then it's like, Oh, here's Lindore's daughter's birth, the 4 year old daughter's birthday party, and there's Jesse Winker still there. So you you get to. It's like fanfic. You get to really imagine the whole story in your mind.

1060
01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:38.920
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, well, and I think that's another

1061
01:27:39.110 --> 01:27:48.520
Tad Eggleston: reason that baseball lends itself so well to storytelling. I mean, you could take whether you did a

1062
01:27:49.070 --> 01:27:58.310
Tad Eggleston: nonfiction, or or or fictionalized version. You could take all of those stories of mets season, you know. Put it, put it as the backdrop of some

1063
01:27:58.880 --> 01:27:59.860
Tad Eggleston: kid

1064
01:28:01.630 --> 01:28:13.260
Tad Eggleston: or adult, you know, who's having a rough time. And this is, you know, or have it be like the player on the team or the manage. I mean, there are just so many ways to take all of the different

1065
01:28:13.550 --> 01:28:17.299
Tad Eggleston: nuances of baseball and make it cool. I mean, I think

1066
01:28:18.230 --> 01:28:25.350
Tad Eggleston: the the only other sport that has as much good storytelling done around it is is boxing, and

1067
01:28:25.540 --> 01:28:27.899
Tad Eggleston: that's not as fun overall.

1068
01:28:28.290 --> 01:28:38.289
Heidi MacDonald: Not not anymore. You know, Fred, have you, Fred? You've done so many great history books, you know, comic books about history. Have you ever thought of doing one about baseball or sport.

1069
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:42.459
Fred Van Lente: Well my buddy, Alex Irvine beat me to the comic book.

1070
01:28:42.460 --> 01:28:43.230
Heidi MacDonald: Oh!

1071
01:28:43.230 --> 01:28:46.299
Fred Van Lente: Baseball which came out from Random House a few years back.

1072
01:28:46.300 --> 01:28:48.079
Heidi MacDonald: Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah.

1073
01:28:48.080 --> 01:29:03.809
Tad Eggleston: Which is good, but since he's off the air now, I'll out Rob, he he cause he's mentioned on the air. He hasn't been able to bring himself to read it, because he he was told that there were some, some, a handful of like inaccuracies in it that he knew would get under his skin.

1074
01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:06.876
Fred Van Lente: Yeah, I have no idea.

1075
01:29:08.120 --> 01:29:13.689
Fred Van Lente: yeah, it'd be a it would be a fun idea. I just think that you know, in America, you know the it's

1076
01:29:15.370 --> 01:29:18.729
Fred Van Lente: it's probably a tough sell. Not this ever stopped me before, but.

1077
01:29:19.010 --> 01:29:25.580
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I mean, I I feel like the way

1078
01:29:27.970 --> 01:29:38.059
Tad Eggleston: Major League owners over the last couple of decades have become so obsessed with immediate profits, just like most of corporate America.

1079
01:29:40.200 --> 01:29:48.570
Tad Eggleston: has wound up, really cutting down on the market for baseball in an unnecessary way.

1080
01:29:48.750 --> 01:29:54.259
Tad Eggleston: you know. When when it started becoming hard to watch games.

1081
01:29:54.500 --> 01:29:59.739
Tad Eggleston: you know, when, when almost all of the baseball being played

1082
01:29:59.790 --> 01:30:04.149
Tad Eggleston: by youth is on on pay to play travel teams.

1083
01:30:04.390 --> 01:30:18.520
Tad Eggleston: you know all of these things are things that they could change in a heartbeat. I mean West Coast League. Rob's League is A is a you know Wood Back Collegiate League, and you can watch every game for free on the Internet.

1084
01:30:20.710 --> 01:30:22.509
Tad Eggleston: You know, you can watch

1085
01:30:22.780 --> 01:30:37.709
Tad Eggleston: every game in the Dominican League for free on the Internet. You know. It wouldn't be that hard for them to decide to cut down a little bit on immediate profits, to make the game infinitely more popular.

1086
01:30:37.710 --> 01:30:46.029
Fred Van Lente: Oh, but to put push back on a positive note! The demographics and numbers for this most recent postseason were pretty terrific and skewed recently so.

1087
01:30:46.030 --> 01:30:48.180
Tad Eggleston: But finally getting a little bit younger.

1088
01:30:48.330 --> 01:30:48.819
Fred Van Lente: And I think.

1089
01:30:48.820 --> 01:30:49.419
Tad Eggleston: I think we can.

1090
01:30:49.420 --> 01:30:51.019
Fred Van Lente: With Aaron, Judge and Joey O'connor.

1091
01:30:51.020 --> 01:30:55.890
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was about to say, I think we can blame Shohei almost exclusively for that

1092
01:30:56.440 --> 01:31:00.570
Tad Eggleston: judge, probably, too. But I think I think Shohei has captured.

1093
01:31:01.740 --> 01:31:05.500
Tad Eggleston: and that's that's I mean Manga has captured that that, too. So I think.

1094
01:31:05.500 --> 01:31:07.660
Fred Van Lente: Single handedly, you know.

1095
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Tad Eggleston: Pay on his shoulders.

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Tad Eggleston: I think I think Brian's actually onto something that that show, hey, should should get into Manga, and that would make baseball more popular.

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Heidi MacDonald: Well, you know another yet another highlight of the Mets season was when they went to England.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Heidi MacDonald: And we got to have that whole experience as mets fans this year, you know, with all the players tweeting funny things in England, which, you know we're pretty

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Heidi MacDonald: pretty dopey to be honest, but you know it was. It was like.

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Fred Van Lente: Bad English accent from a local New York sportscast.

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Tad Eggleston: It was I missed. How did those games get attended? Because I was?

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Tad Eggleston: I was surprised when they announced that they were going to England, because.

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Tad Eggleston: even as Europe goes, it's got

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Tad Eggleston: generally less interest in baseball than.

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Fred Van Lente: So again I listen to this radio show all the time on the Fan Wfan

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Fred Van Lente: host plan, and he said that most of the people

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Fred Van Lente: who attended the games that he went to were Americans who flew to London.

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Tad Eggleston: So right.

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Fred Van Lente: Sounds like you.

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Fred Van Lente: It's, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: Because I'm just thinking both France and Italy have leagues that that

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Tad Eggleston: our players occasionally wind up in when they're trying to keep

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Tad Eggleston: playing for a couple of years.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't think England does.

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Heidi MacDonald: They have cricket, same thing.

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Tad Eggleston: You know. One day I'll learn how cricket works.

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Tad Eggleston: I haven't yet.

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Tad Eggleston: It confuses me.

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Fred Van Lente: I'm in a writers group with a bunch of British writers, and there are a lot of them are huge cricket nuts.

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Fred Van Lente: I don't understand half.

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Heidi MacDonald: Yeah, I yeah. My ex-husband tried to explain. And - he says, well, some some matches go on for a week.

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Heidi MacDonald: but some are. But then there's the one that just lasts a couple of hours. I'm like, no. How is the sport?

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Heidi MacDonald: Game should be finite, not a activity that goes on.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Heidi MacDonald: Endlessly.

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Tad Eggleston: I will say, though, that this is a place where where the fandom sometimes crosses over, because I remember I had a discussion with Nick Cornby at a

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Tad Eggleston: signing of his many years ago, because

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Tad Eggleston: he was writing a column for the Believer called stuff I've been reading, and when he was in La selling the

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Tad Eggleston: movie rights to fever pitch, to be adapted to a baseball movie, A. He spent a lot of time watching the cubs and the Red Sox in. Oh, 3 became fans of both of them because he was an arsenal fan, and they were the the

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Tad Eggleston: Premier League equivalent of the

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Tad Eggleston: I don't want to say lovable losers, because particularly the red Sox were never the lovable losers. They were just the losers that couldn't quite get over that hump

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Tad Eggleston: But one of the things he'd picked up was moneyball, and what he wrote about it was.

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Tad Eggleston: I just read Moneyball, and only understood one word in 4, and it's the best

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Tad Eggleston: sports book I've read in a decade. And when I was reading this was literally like a week after I'd finished reading fever pitch, and I know so little about

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Tad Eggleston: soccer for our American listeners, and football for the rest of the world.

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Tad Eggleston: that I had like the exact same feeling about soccer fever bitch. It's like.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't get any of the stuff about the game, but the fan stuff I get really, really well.

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Tad Eggleston: so like I was. I was, I was. I was talking to him.

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Tad Eggleston: I think it was the next year, or possibly the year. It was either oh, 4 or oh, 5,

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Tad Eggleston: that that I was talking to him at a book, signing

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Tad Eggleston: that I deliberately waited. And if you ever want to talk to your favorite writer, the way to do it is you sit. You let everybody go in front of you, and you cross your fingers that because you're the last person in line. They'll chat with you rather than

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Tad Eggleston: going. I really need to go to the bathroom.

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Tad Eggleston: So we wound up talking baseball for like 15 min, because, like I told him that he's like, yeah, I was just watching Josh Beckett last night. I'm like.

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Tad Eggleston: I thought we were. Gonna have a couple of moments about the similarities, and he was instead, because he was on an American book. Tour, had immediately fallen back into his baseball rhythms that he

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Tad Eggleston: built up the previous summer.

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Tad Eggleston: So it's funny to me how fandom can be

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Tad Eggleston: so similar across sports, at least for those sports with with similar season.

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Heidi MacDonald: Well, as I'm sure, I said, the 1st time I was on this, podcast.

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Heidi MacDonald: Baseball is the one sport that mimics, the seasons yeah with spring

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Heidi MacDonald: presses on through the long, hot days of summer.

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Heidi MacDonald: intensifies during the crisp days, nights of autumn that sure.

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Tad Eggleston: Goes to sleep.

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Heidi MacDonald: And we sleep, waiting for spring to come anew.

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Tad Eggleston: That is a perfect way to route.

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Heidi MacDonald: Okay.

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Heidi MacDonald: I know I said it because I'm like, I gotta go actually.

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Tad Eggleston: No, no, for for you can find Heidi at the feet you can find Darren at, and world design. Fred Van Lenty has a Kickstarter going right now. Called. Is it.

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Fred Van Lente: Eat, fighter.

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Tad Eggleston: Eat, fighter.

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Fred Van Lente: The anti-fascist, fast food, competition.

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Deron Bennett: Power you wanted, and great.

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Tad Eggleston: And our other guests also had things that I didn't manage to mention. But I'll throw them up in the show notes which I've actually started finally, like writing again. So thank you all for joining us.

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Tad Eggleston: Thanks for having us, didn't she?

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Heidi MacDonald: It's really great to talk about baseball once.

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Heidi MacDonald: Thank you so much.

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Tad Eggleston: We'll see you after the next page. Enjoy.

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Deron Bennett: Thanks.