Bonus Episode: With Great Power #206...22 Panels with Tom King

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Tyler Johnson: And hey.

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Tyler Johnson: hey, everyone welcome back to 22 panels. This is the podcast that aims to examine, explore, and elevate the medium of comics. I am Tyler, and Carcino reads from me

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Tyler Johnson: is my good Buddy Tad. Hey, Tad, how's it going.

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Tad Eggleston: It's going pretty good. We're up late.

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Tyler Johnson: We are. This is unusual.

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Tad Eggleston: This is.

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Tyler Johnson: Like cast my bed.

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Tad Eggleston: Time.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah. Good morning. People.

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Tom King: Be up at 5 in the morning. You start this with a guilt trip. Thanks.

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Tom King: Know who, I pray, appreciate that.

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Tad Eggleston: I already feel bad, and just wait for my next line.

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Tom King: 10 million, the second best, horrible!

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Tad Eggleston: Current, wonder, woman, writer.

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Tom King: The second piece thanks. Ever.

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Tad Eggleston: Nobody knows Kelly Thompson's absolute Wonder woman.

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Tyler Johnson: I saw Kelly Thompson the other night on

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Tom King: I get it. No, I get it. You're not the 1st traitors thing. Observation.

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Tad Eggleston: We talked to Kelly about absolute, or I talked to Kelly about absolute Wonder woman. Right before it came out. I just I got to give you a hard time, Tom. I'm always building you up.

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Tom King: I appreciate it. Kelly deserves all the credit in the world. That fucking, wonderful book is amazing.

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Tad Eggleston: You're on my very short list of people that I will read literally anything you write. Kelly is too.

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Tyler Johnson: True.

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Tad Eggleston: So it's kind of it's kind of crazy that like I'm now getting

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Tad Eggleston: the crash course in Wonder Woman as 2 of the people that I will read anything they write are are writing it at the same time.

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Tyler Johnson: That is absolutely true. And one time when we were talking about Batman and I was like, Yeah, you know, I'm not really a big fan of Tom King's batman. I like Scott Snyder. It's a little bit better. Dad, about went off the wall.

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Tad Eggleston: I think we went half an hour of me ripping into him about how that was the wrong opinion.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah, so he really does.

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Tom King: But if it's the wrong opinion, it's the common opinion. So let us rebel against.

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Tyler Johnson: Go, not go quietly. It's the thing.

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Tom King: I don't.

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Tom King: I don't think you're in the in the minority. There, my friend.

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Tyler Johnson: No, but the thing is, Tad came to your rescue so hard. It was funny.

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Tom King: I love my bad.

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Tom King: but I don't. It's my bad. I did do double ship. Scott didn't have to do that. My bad is quite a bit longer than Scott. It's somewhat apples and oranges. Scott has one artist for his. I had, like 17, only 17.

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Tad Eggleston: 18.

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Tom King: It's probably more than 17.

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Tom King: So yeah, it's it's it's like, it's a different cup of tea.

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Tom King: It's all set.

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Tad Eggleston: That actually does lead me the one question that, like the throwaway type question that I knew that I needed to slip in tonight. So like

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Tad Eggleston: you have this really hidden talent for writing great characters in not the scenarios that

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Tad Eggleston: that one would expect. I was specifically thinking that, like the biggest joker story

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Tad Eggleston: other than the joker riddler, which didn't really have. Batman was was the joker catwoman in the chapel.

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Tad Eggleston: That was that was your joker masterpiece, and and now you finally do something with Damien. But it's in wonder, woman, and it was brilliant. I laughed my ass off all the way through.

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Tom King: Mitch and I did a whole little joker miniseries. So we did that, too. I have some.

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Tom King: Yeah. But but you know what I mean.

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Tom King: Yes, no, I do know what you mean. I'm the one who makes the dumb move of like I have, Batman. I'm not going to put Joker in the book.

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Tad Eggleston: You have wonder. Woman.

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Tom King: On her.

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Tad Eggleston: Decide to do something with Robin. I love it.

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Tom King: Well, that's I mean that. That's that's Mark Wade, I mean he he came to me and he said.

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Tom King: You know those absolute. He just, said Tom. I have an idea. What if I tame up Damien and wonder? Woman, I was like, great! What are they doing? He's like, I don't care. So that's how that came. Let's put. Let's put marks

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Tom King: imprint on that

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Tom King: and then, of course, because it was it was Damien. Whenever I get Damien, I start writing jokes for some reason.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean he fits well in it.

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Tom King: He makes as a character.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean your your your backup

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Tad Eggleston: stories with Bell and Ortega is still almost almost

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Tad Eggleston: outshine the the main story some days, and the main story is really fucking. Good.

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Tom King: They're my favorite things. I just saw some of her art from the New Trinity book. Just the 1st pages just came in today, and I was like, because I really should not be writing that Trinity book. I have too much work, and I put it on my schedule like, and I every time I see it on my schedule like, why am I doing this Trinity book? There's no room.

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Tom King: I have like 3 jobs right now, but then I just got the audience, and I was like, Oh, right, that's why I'm doing it. So I can see Belenna draw the little Lizzie being ridiculous and doing silly things. And it's my favorite thing. It's my children's. It's the only thing I write that my children actually care about.

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Tad Eggleston: Well other than Archie.

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Tom King: Yes, they cared about Archie. That's true. That's why.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Tom King: So. Yes, so. But they care about Archie, and they care about that. So now they pick up Wonder Woman, because he used to be the backup in every wonder, woman, and they're like, What is this? Where is my backup?

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Tad Eggleston: Where's my story?

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Tom King: I was like. That's Kari Kari's 1 of the great artists in history. No, I don't care. I want. I want that little girl doing silly adventures.

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Tyler Johnson: It's funny.

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Tom King: So, yeah, I, yeah, those

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Tom King: those those backups are the most fun to write. It was like taking a week off when I could just write jokes.

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Tyler Johnson: You know.

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Tom King: You know my history is I love. I love comic strips. That's like some of one of the things I love about comic books, or one aspect of it I love is comic strips. So I get to channel.

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Tad Eggleston: What are your favorite comic strips? I mean, I know you love peanuts.

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Tom King: Peanuts is number one for me. Obviously, I think that.

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Tad Eggleston: And you've got another crack to be part of our peanuts roundtable because it fell apart in October. Everybody had to be at cons. So we're doing in January now.

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Tom King: I think that internationally I'm going to go as far as internationally. The best

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Tom King: comics of all time put pictures with words together, make a comic is the peanuts comic strip. What? Charles Schultz? Yeah.

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Tom King: but you know I mean I love the classics. You know I love me some Calvin Hobbs, I love me some farsighted, I think Farsight is probably the funniest comic strip of all time.

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Tom King: I think Calvin Hobbes probably the most, maybe the most beautiful. I love old stuff I love like the Popeye's easy seeger stuff.

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Tom King: I'll get into some crazy cat. I like Flash Gord. I like Flash Gordon. I love an old soap osper strip called Mary Perkins. I probably love that comic. Anybody else. Me and Walt Simonson are the big fans of that one, and when we get together we talk Mary Perkins.

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Tom King: I'm a huge bloom county guy. Berkeley, breathe guy

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Tom King: right when I when I was a kid I just couldn't get enough of that. And I still, every every Sunday my kids and I sit down. We read the Sunday comics, and we say which one's the best one this week zits one.

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Tom King: you know. But we read, I love Garfield. I have, like I have a wall of Garfield original art in my kitchen that sits over my dining room table. I have like 7 original strips. They're just

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Tom King: stack there. That made me laugh for Tolico.

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Tad Eggleston: Have you been out to the Billy Ireland yet?

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Tom King: Billy ire.

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Tad Eggleston: Ohio State, Billy Ireland, Cartoon Museum.

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Tom King: Have not. I've heard it's awesome.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we got to drag you out to Cxc sometime, not even as a tabler. You should just go as a fan

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Tad Eggleston: should take a weekend and go as a fan.

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Tad Eggleston: I would have a blast.

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Tom King: I would.

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Tad Eggleston: Almost nobody would recognize you. It's 1. It's 1 of the few cons that you you'd be able.

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Tom King: Yeah. Nobody would care.

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Tad Eggleston: No Chip Zdarsky was there this year, and like

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Tad Eggleston: it was weird for him because he was.

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Tad Eggleston: he was up against Jeff Smith.

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Tad Eggleston: So Jeff's room was full, and and he had empty chairs, not a lot of them, but he had some.

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Tom King: I was at a Colorado con once, sitting at table just talking to some guys. The table was joking around, and I got up, and Charles Soul was there, and he's like that was awesome man, right? I was like what was awesome. He's like Jim Davis. That was Jim Davis across the table from you. That was Jim Davis. Nobody fucking told me. I don't know what Jim Davis looks like.

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Tom King: I would have been like. Totally, I thank God cause I would have just gone total. Fanboy.

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Tad Eggleston: You would have been like, did you?

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Tyler Johnson: Conversation.

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Tad Eggleston: Filled.

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Tom King: Yeah, I mean, I think we probably made some jokes about the con, or some or like, you know. Oh, man, everybody's high in Colorado, or some shitty, stupid Colorado conversation. But it wasn't what I would want. I don't know what you want to talk about, Jim Davis. Remember that time you made that cat who loves Lasagna.

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Tom King: That's awesome, you know, like.

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Tyler Johnson: There is a girl.

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Tad Eggleston: How do you tell one joke for 40 years, and still make it awesome?

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Tom King: 40 years like 40.

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Tom King: It's amazing. It's amazing. I'm telling you.

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Tom King: There's a point in Garfield like in the early nineties. Obviously everybody knows Jim Davis. He's ghosts. I don't know who was ghost who was ghosting him, either writing or or

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Tom King: or drawing, but it gets like really existential like these. Early. If you ever look at the early nineties, Garfield, they're like, because it's when they finally like tore John down to like. You know what he became that he became so absurd. They made fun of him with Garfield without Garfield, but like the idea that John was like this man who was like slowly dying inside as Garfield mocked him. I don't know. It makes me laugh.

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Tom King: Anyways. This is Garfield. Talk with Tom.

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Tyler Johnson: Dark.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna have to go dig those up.

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Tom King: Fucked out.

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Tad Eggleston: It's dirt.

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Tom King: 90, whoever the one guy was 91 to 94. He was going through something, and he was putting.

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Tom King: I have both of my digital.

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Tad Eggleston: Comic strip subscriptions now, comics, kingdom, and go comics, so so I can. I can go look at back stuff.

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Tad Eggleston: I'd have to go find those, he said. Early nineties.

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Tom King: Early nineties. Yeah, okay, goes crazy.

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Tad Eggleston: So, since we're talking to you, we should probably talk some black canary.

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Tyler Johnson: Yes.

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Tom King: That's what I need to promote guys. That's why I'm here. I can't. I can't.

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Tad Eggleston: Let you forget to do a little bit of promotion.

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Tom King: This book is cursed. It's not cursed in that. It's bad. It's it's 1 of the best things I've ever written in my life, and it may, and it's 1 of the best drawn things. If I didn't work.

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Tad Eggleston: Curse because you're up against Kelly Thompson again, with her birds of prey.

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Tom King: Kelly Thompson. No, it's yeah. That's the number one. No, the the Fo.

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Tad Eggleston: You try to write. It's Jeff next.

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Tom King: The foc, which is the day, the final day. You could order it when you're supposed to like most promote it. You're supposed to be out. There was fucking the day before the election, when nobody gave a fuck about. Please.

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Tyler Johnson: Nobody cared.

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Tom King: Buy black Canary and.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, you know, see, I didn't care. But if you'd reminded me, I would have had fun with that I would have said, Take take your mind off of the horror of the abyss and order black Canary.

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Tom King: Guys, guys, it is, I've been working too hard, because, like, I'm drinking this diet Coke in the middle of the night. Sorry for.

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Tyler Johnson: I'm too. I got no, I got my.

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Tad Eggleston: He's got there, do.

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Tom King: 5. Fucking.

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Tyler Johnson: You're on your 5.th

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Tom King: This is one day's worth, but it's not like a month's worth. I have been.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, Tom, you're talking about having trouble getting rid of the the extra chin. I think that I think I think you just answered it.

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Tom King: It's all diet, it's all diet.

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Tom King: but I don't think it's very healthy at all.

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Tyler Johnson: That aspartame is pretty bad for you, too.

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Tom King: Yeah, that's gonna kill me. That's.

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Tyler Johnson: Ball. Pop is bad for you, you know, also does gross, but.

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Tom King: Yeah, no. When I die, just remember this moment. Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: You're not, and anytime soon.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I'm in great shape. Best shape.

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Tom King: I know people who know. Cpr in DC, definitely drinking too much soda.

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Tom King: All right. What are we talking about? Black Canary? And the day it releases is the day before Thanksgiving. So it has that wonderful window of.

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Tyler Johnson: Please order.

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Tom King: Day before election, and it comes out the day before Thanksgiving. So it is a book that might be that might get lost if I don't shout to the rafters, and I am shouting to the fucking rafters because this book is something special. It's another supergirl. It's another human target. It's Ryan and I have been working on this book almost 4 years now, I think.

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Tom King: Because it was written back when supergirl and human target were when I wrote those.

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Tom King: and Ryan's just been drawing it, and, you know, taking his time to do the best art and making sure he does all 6 issues.

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Tom King: Which is, you know, to get an artist of that caliber to do all 6, 28 page issues or something. And it's gorgeous. And it's deep. And it's.

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Tad Eggleston: To Ryan again. We got a little bit of him for Wednesday comics.

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Tad Eggleston: He came and joined us for the Wednesday comics. Roundtable.

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Tom King: He's a legend he's and he's.

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Tad Eggleston: It is.

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Tom King: Oh, my God, yeah, that the art.

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Tad Eggleston: You keep collecting good artists. I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like they like to work for you, or something.

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Tom King: People ask me like, How do you always get good artists? I was like, I have no idea it's complete. I don't know. It's Kismet.

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Tom King: and.

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Tyler Johnson: Probably your scripts. They probably are easy.

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Tad Eggleston: No, I think it's because when you come on shows like this, you don't talk about what a good writer you are. All you do is talk about the art.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah, that's true.

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Tom King: And I'm terrible at talking about art. Why do I put myself.

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Tad Eggleston: As soon as I say you're a good writer, I get to see the bill of your cap.

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Tom King: That's.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah, there, he! There he goes! There it is he really.

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Tom King: See my tell of like let me tell you about so. No, but I don't know how to say art is good. I can't be like man. He's using perspective. And I can't believe he's doing this like.

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Tom King: that's okay.

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Tom King: No, I'm like, it looks good.

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Tad Eggleston: Talk about art, the way I talk about art, and I mean Tyler and my wife do a better job because they actually know how to make it. But I mean, Tom, you actually draw better than I do. So you know.

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Tom King: Oh, wow! Well, I am.

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Tad Eggleston: I appreciate it.

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Tom King: Publish. Well, I drew one page of Mr. Miracle.

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Tom King: won the Eisner for best miniseries, and it didn't specify, like everything but that one page. It said the whole thing. So the one now the one page, was supposed to be what it looks like when a two-year-old draws. But I still say that it counts.

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Tom King: At cons. This is also a peanuts joke or a peanuts. Reference at Cons Mitch sells. He's a digital artist, but he does these one-to-one beautiful prints where he just makes one print. He's like this is the only print I'll ever make of this page that's signed, and has all sorts of like. You can track it to make sure he's not lying.

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Tom King: and he has them out, and and they're they're beautiful, and they're for sale for anywhere between like 600 to a thousand depending on the pitch. And I have. It's all of Mr. Miracle, and he printed out the page that it's my art

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Tom King: Some them. Well, I I probably could afford one, but like my marriage would be over. So like I'd be like, Yeah, I afforded it, but I lost so it'd be really expensive, because I would lose half.

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Tom King: It comes with a tax. It's like 70,000 plus half of everything you've ever earned.

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Tom King: I am working with Seth Mann, Clay, Mann's brother, who was a high school art teacher for his whole career.

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Tom King: So I am all for high school art teachers going into comics because this guy is like, Oh, you're as soon as this comes out you're going to be a superstar because you are really really good.

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Tad Eggleston: So we're going to remember that. And Tyler gets to do a cover on your next creative owns. You don't actually have to sell it to anybody, he gets to draw it and give it to you.

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Tom King: Yeah, yeah, I'll I guess, for more than 75.

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Tom King: Wait. But are you doing some like gag daredevil where it like? Just says, like the world, what daredevil sees? And it's just a black cover.

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Tom King: and we came up with. It was half joke, half pitch, where it was called fight night with a K. Fight knight.

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Tom King: And so, like Number 2 was canonically at least, this is my understanding. Time was Black Canary, and I was like that is so weird because that's such a random person to be the number 2 best fighter. You wouldn't think Black Canary could beat up Batman in a straight up head to head. But according to sort of what we're talking then, and it got stuck in my crowd like, that's the number 2. That's the number one. And then, years later, my kid got really into wrestling, really into Wwe.

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Tom King: I'll send you the 1st 2. I'll send you the 1st 3. Yeah, they're super good. I'll send them to you.

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Tom King: But because it's me, and as you'll see if you read the comic, it's the half the comic takes place in the ring. As we see these 2 women fight and sort of come to the edge of of their levels of endurance. And then we see sort of the reasons for the fight and where the fight began and what it means. And it's all about.

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Tom King: Of course, it's all about some of the weird emotional core. But it's about Dinah's relationship with her mother, the Black Canary before her, and how she trained Dinah and their relation, and how that training has reflected, and the legacy that Dinah has taken on, and what it means to her to be the best, and to her mother, always trying to make her the best, and whether she can rebel against that and take things. So it's actually

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Tom King: And he uses all sorts of weird comic book techniques. You know, we use this sort of a different kind of narrator.

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Tom King: and Ryan draws the fuck out of it, and it's beautiful, and I'll send it to you, and you'll be like what the fuck is. This is amazing.

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Tad Eggleston: I am very much looking forward to it, because.

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Tyler Johnson: Did. Don't tell Suntrus, because you know that he will just go off forever on how. That's not a fight. It was.

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Tom King: no, no, I would have just liked to watch it just for the monoculture moment of it. But I was. I think my kids were doing. It was only like 1230, and we were passed out in sort of a boring sort of way. But yeah, I know I'm not. I like the wrestling. I like watching wrestling with my kid. That's a lot of fun to me.

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Tom King: I'm not an Mma guy. I'm not a boxing guy. This is definitely out of my comfort zone in terms of telling. But I do love. You know, I when I was a kid I loved you know it's called best of the best, because, like these Van Dam movies, I like those.

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Tom King: Crotty whiskeys, and I and I love Rocky. I love raging Bull. I think you can do things that serve.

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Tom King: There's there's something pure and beautiful about sort of 2 people stepping into a ring, and only one of them emerges, you know.

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Tom King: Yeah, I mean, like the greatest sports writers ever were, you know, were writing about boxing in the forties and fifties and turning it into poetry, you know.

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Tom King: and and that was I mean, that was part of the energy that I wanted to get. Someone sent me, but not sent. But someone. So my, my buddy, Mike Cronenberg.

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Tom King: sent me a book that he that he had edited like called, like the greatest sort of boxing things in pop culture. And I just flipped through. And I was like, this is amazing, like the stories people were to tell with like.

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Tad Eggleston: It's called the Goat Getters.

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Tom King: I've been. I've been really into comics lately. I know that's a dumb thing to say, because I'm a factual comic writer. Right?

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Tom King: The gogetters, Jackson, the fight of the century, and how a bunch of raucous cartoonists reinvented comics.

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Tom King: No, I want to get this. This sounds wonderful.

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Tad Eggleston: It's amazing.

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Tom King: Oh, I will buy it!

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think fanagraphics put it out.

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Tom King: Of course fantagraphics did.

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Tom King: Fantagraphics hates me.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, come to Chicago for cake next year. You can buy it from Eddie direct.

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Tom King: I'm in.

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Tad Eggleston: That's how I did it.

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Tom King: I will. Yeah, I'll sell anybody. Mind kind of.

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Tyler Johnson: No, take the.

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Tad Eggleston: Chicago. Alternative Comic Expo.

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Tom King: But we have Spx here in DC. It's literally in the suburbs of DC.

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Tyler Johnson: There's the connection.

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Tom King: My husband.

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Tad Eggleston: That's the catch.

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Tom King: Alright!

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, if he goes to Spx you could buy it from there. But I don't think he went this year.

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Tom King: and but the height of black canary. What makes me a real huge black canary fan is Alex Toth

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Tom King: did 2 back their backups in supergirl, or when I guess, when supergirl, taking over action comics.

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Tom King: and they're little. I think they're like 12 page stories. There's 2 of them.

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Tom King: and they're one story. But it's broken up into 2. And in my opinion they are the best drawn comics best drawn superhero comics of all time.

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Tom King: and and that will permanently make me sort of a black canary fan in terms of what you can do with her design, and how cool she is, and how cool she moves, and her attitude, and all of that that one Alex toaster, which is just got. There's a black canary collection that came out, I think, a year or 2 ago. It's in there. If you want if anyone wants to check it out. But but to me that is, and I've read a lot of comics, you know, tens of thousands of them. That's my I think the best drawn one, the best superhero wise.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah, prior prior to hearing about this, like, I have no experience with black Canary other than the

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Tyler Johnson: green, Narrow TV show.

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Tom King: She's 1 of those characters that has a good, I mean, there's so much potential there. I mean, she has.

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Tom King: The canary cry is cool. But what's cooler about is she's got an incredible costume that immediately strikes you, and she's had a billion costumes, and they're all cool. So there's all sorts of, and she has a wonderful legacy. Classic legacy, DC. Origin. Story of her mother being the hero of her, with not a lot of mother to mother stories.

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Tyler Johnson: Sure it makes her faster.

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Tyler Johnson: Okay.

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Tom King: Yeah, it's always father to son. So there's that part of it. And her mother stretches all the way back to the Golden Age. You can play with all of those tropes of her sort of knowing all the older super, I mean, I think she comes before Robin like she's really like black canaries was one of the 1st superheroes.

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Tom King: and and and yeah, and she has a good like this kick-ass attitude. She has this weird relationship with Ollie over the years which is like this on again, off again, which is very fun to play with. So there's just a ton of stuff there that that's worth digging into in that character.

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Tyler Johnson: Adventure, cat.

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Tad Eggleston: Comics, 491.

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Tom King: Yeah, that sounds right. So adventure comics. I said, action.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, canary and the cat.

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Tom King: Canary and the cat. Yeah, it's not like a deep story. It's just her and Catwoman fighting a little bit.

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Tad Eggleston: Still sounds pretty awesome to me.

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Tom King: It is ridiculous. A page of it is for sale in the latest heritage, and I was all excited about it, and the 1st day it went to $22,000. So I was like, okay. So I,

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Tom King: buying this 22.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes.

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Tom King: Unless I sell them.

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Tad Eggleston: Talk about this, the more I know that you would adore the Billy Ireland.

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Tad Eggleston: because if you can get yourself a back room tour.

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Tad Eggleston: which I'm certain you could pull off.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And if you couldn't call me because I I can help.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's 1 of the few

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Tad Eggleston: places that I can say that I can help.

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Tom King: Is this where Watterson has all his art? Is this the yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: All of Watterson's stuff.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes, it actually it started when Milt Kniff gave them his papers.

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Tom King: Wow!

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Tad Eggleston: So it's got like massive amounts of of Terry and the pirates and Steve Canyon, but it's got.

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Tom King: I had.

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Tad Eggleston: Original.

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Tom King: Have you seen the milk biography? Because I have it, and it's over.

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Tad Eggleston: Yet.

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Tom King: It stares at me constantly, like, please. And it's it's it's as thick as it could be. It's like 1,500 pages. It's like bigger than war and peace, and it's the smallest print of all time.

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Tyler Johnson: True.

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Tom King: But I think it would be so awesome. It's a tena graphics book just to throw the one of them. But yeah, I have it sitting over there at the doorstop, literally like stopping my door.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, Tom, I love book clubs, so if you ever want an excuse to read it.

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Tom King: That. Take a while.

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Tom King: That'll be a long one.

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Tad Eggleston: You and I can take it a chapter at a time.

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Tom King: Ted.

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Tyler Johnson: 10.

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Tyler Johnson: I are racing our way through one piece right now. We're gonna read the entire.

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Tad Eggleston: We're like 300 chapters into one piece of piece.

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Tom King: One piece is the most successful comic of all time. Right? When?

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Tom King: Yeah, like, like, that's just.

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Tad Eggleston: A 1,000 some odd issues at this point.

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Tom King: It, but it has like a a the sales in the in the billions. It's like it's an incredible, someone explained to me. One piece was, and I just my jaw dropped to the floor. I was like, I've never heard of it. And they're like, this is a bill. This is more successful than Batman. I was like what.

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Tyler Johnson: It is, it is.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm.

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Tom King: And it's pirate comics, right? It's pirates.

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Tad Eggleston: But it's funny. It's funny.

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Tom King: Funny pirate. Do you know how much? If I did a funny pirate comic it would sell in America? It would sell 13 copies, and it would be mostly you guys.

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Tyler Johnson: I see.

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Tad Eggleston: If it came, buy every cover, I mean, imagine, like plastic man

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Tad Eggleston: as a young goofy pirate that just wants to do good in the world.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: This doesn't seem to get that. Pirates are supposed to be the bad guys.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah, he he's he idolizes pirates, and he's got these superpowers like plastic man, almost. And and it's just these crazy adventures he gets into trying to find the ultimate treasure. One piece

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Tyler Johnson: And yeah, and we're in Volume 300 and.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, Chad!

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Tyler Johnson: Or no. Chapter 300 out of 1,100. So far.

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Tom King: Wow! Good luck! I wish you all the luck.

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Tom King: Let me know like like, it gets good around. Chapter 1,500.

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Tad Eggleston: No, and it's been, you know. I got into it pretty quickly. I think I think.

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Tom King: I.

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Tad Eggleston: Being good isn't the problem.

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Tad Eggleston: Don't mind reading backwards. The reading backwards is such a barrier to me. It time to get used.

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Tyler Johnson: Took a little bit, took a little bit.

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Tom King: Cause I read Pluto.

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Tad Eggleston: Totally get what you're talking about. And for a long time I needed a significant break in between

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Tad Eggleston: reading Manga and then going back to reading. Now, I can actually switch back and forth. And I'm okay.

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Tom King: I admire.

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Tad Eggleston: But it used to be like if I read Manga.

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Tad Eggleston: and then I immediately picked up a English or European comic and started reading left to right. I'd get a headache. Now I can handle switching back and forth a little bit easier.

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Tom King: Yeah, I don't know. I don't. Every time I to me it's it's a bit. I've read some manga, not a ton, but some, and it's when I'm sitting down and just like, Oh, I want to read a comic book. I want to relax. I don't want to go backwards. I'm I'm just a ludic.

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Tom King: Totally. Get it.

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Tyler Johnson: It is a learning curve. But yeah, it's good so far.

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Tad Eggleston: I actually even understand why so much of the early American manga was mirrored.

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Tad Eggleston: because I'm certain that for a long time it sold better that way.

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Tom King: Oh, I love the the Akira, the omnibus that's much easier to read, you know. We work with Marie Javins, who runs DC. Now, and she was the editor of that Akira volume. She's the one who mirrored it all to put that all together.

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Tad Eggleston: Actually the the hardest part for me is always because it's translated.

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Tad Eggleston: even though you're reading panels from right to left. You're still reading words from left to right.

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Tom King: I know this one. The flipping the pages is one thing, the panels going the wrong way.

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Tyler Johnson: Yep.

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Tad Eggleston: There's a

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Tad Eggleston: part of me. And and this is autistic me. I can actually read backwards pretty easily. I would almost prefer to have the text just going backwards. So I'm moving with it.

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Tom King: My mother. She's since passed away, but she could write mere language as easily as she could write

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Tom King: Pen right. It was like it was like a little parlor trick. She did.

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Tad Eggleston: That I can't do.

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Tom King: She could just write something and then pull it in front of a mirror and it read perfectly. It was a weird skill she had.

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Tad Eggleston: That's awesome.

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Tyler Johnson: So I I did want to talk to you about Archie, because we read your.

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Tom King: Love it.

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Tad Eggleston: It was great.

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Tyler Johnson: We loved it so much that we you had those recommendations in there we, we read those and love those, and we just took this deep dive into Archie.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we know we'll we know we'll be going.

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Tyler Johnson: The hell of it!

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Tom King: God bless you! Bless you! Bless you both.

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Tyler Johnson: It was from your. We just decided to read your book on a whim because we didn't know what else to read for a Saturday episode that we were doing.

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Tad Eggleston: No, no, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: with his book. I made it one of my choices of the week, and you went. Really, that's good. I'm like, no, it was really good, and you read it, and then we're like, well, we should. They gave us a roadmap, so we should go learn about Archie now.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tom King: My, my kids, especially my younger 2, but secretly my oldest as well, are just

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Tom King: die hard, Archie. Fans. That is the thing they love more than.

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Tad Eggleston: Now die hard. Archie fans through the years, or die hard. Archie fans like.

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Tyler Johnson: Contemporary.

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Tad Eggleston: Life of Archie. Onward.

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Tom King: All, all of it, except not the horror stuff they're. I love my children, but they just they don't want to be scared when they read.

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Tad Eggleston: So no, after.

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Tyler Johnson: Live with Archie for them.

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Tom King: Know afterlife know this. All the Sabrina stuff they do with all that stuff and the zombies and the

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Tom King: is afterlife with. I I wasn't expecting to like afterlife with Archie as much as I did. Yeah.

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Tom King: that was a phenomenon when it came out. You remember when that came out that was like, everyone's like, Oh, my God! But yeah, no, they like Archie that makes you laugh. They like goofy, silly Archie.

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Tom King: and they've read.

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Tom King: I mean, I've bought them every single collection they got into it, and if you go down into my living room you'll just see stacks and stacks.

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Tom King: stacks of Archies.

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Tyler Johnson: Every.

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Tom King: And they know every name of every obscure character, and all, and all their adventures, and all their like. They know that Josie and the pussycats used to be Josie by itself, and they'll tell you all the side characters, and they're ridiculously deep into it. And so that's that's how I got into Archie. I didn't grow up with Archie.

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Tad Eggleston: I do have one mild bone to pick with you, though.

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Tom King: Let's pick some bones.

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Tad Eggleston: And and that is that you left my favorite Archie comic, and it's still my favorite Archie comic even now that I've read a bunch more Archie comics. Archie versus predator, didn't make your list.

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Tad Eggleston: Alex Decampi, fucking, knocked that out of the park.

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Tom King: Yeah, that's true.

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Tad Eggleston: Shouldn't work that has no business working. It's amazing.

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Tom King: I have no doubt it's great. I have not read it. That's my.

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Tad Eggleston: Well assignment, Archie versus Brendan.

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Tom King: Terrible.

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Tad Eggleston: Archie versus Predator 2 is also good, but not quite as good as the original.

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Tom King: Okay, I'm I'm ordering some Archie versus pre like, I said, my kids are actually.

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Tad Eggleston: Actually done in Archie style, art.

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Tom King: That's the best. That's the best. See?

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Tyler Johnson: Bought the humble bundle of all the Archie horror stuff, and that was pretty cool.

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Tad Eggleston: Like 15 bucks for for.

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Tyler Johnson: All of it. It was.

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Tad Eggleston: 30, some odd.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Digital graphic novels. Yeah yeah.

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Tom King: You can get some good deals with Archie. Yeah, we have the subscription. We get the boxes. But my favorite Archies, as you could tell. I like that sort of, you know, 1958 to 1967, when I was still on the big art. And like that, Dan Dicarlo, Harry, Lucy, Frank Doyle. Yeah, those are. Those are my, those are my days. I think

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Tom King: there's there's just some like Karl Barks ish kind of Carl barks just great cartoony, just like silly being silly and have. And I love a good gag comic. I just think gag comics are a very hard art form. It's a lot harder to write gag comics than.

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Tad Eggleston: Are you a Nancy Fan?

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Tom King: I love Nancy huge Nancy.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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Tom King: I'm not like one of those like guys who goes to Nancy conventions. But.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, there's only been one Nancy Convention, as far as I know, that was at the Billy Ireland this.

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Tom King: Yes, but I love. I love a Nancy. My, my! I love that 3 Rocks book man that was.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's fantastic.

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Tad Eggleston: That was amazing, fantastic.

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Tom King: And then they released.

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Tom King: Pick up 2 Nancy collections this year, which were both great.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was about to. I was about to ask, could you pick up a

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Tad Eggleston: become friends with Dennis Kitchen? And and he put out his Nancy collection through New York Review of books this year.

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Tom King: Yeah, I picked that up and.

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Tad Eggleston: Fantastic fantastic collection.

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Tom King: So good. I love how he writes it backwards! That makes me feel that was such a. He writes the punchline, and then goes back and does it.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.

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Tom King: No, I, Nancy, and my course, like I said, my kids are into that stuff. So they read the crap out of Nancy, too. So we have a lot of Nancy jokes

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Tom King: in the house. Yeah, I adore that stuff.

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Tom King: I throw 1, 2, 3 punches. I like comic strips. I like all that stinks.

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Tom King: And I love the idea that, Archie, there's not that much plot there again. It's that same thing that pulls me to the 4 corners of the ring that you have just

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Tom King: like. It's just such a little world to play with, and you find infinite diversity. He has to choose between Betty and Veronica, and he has to do, and that's it. And he lives in a small school town, and you have to make that interesting. Sometimes. I have superman in my hands, and he can travel to any dimension anywhere, find anything. And I was like, I have no idea what to write. These guys have like 3 plot points. They have to come with something that.

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Tad Eggleston: Know what you killed it with. Superman again, recently, too literally to the point where I

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Tad Eggleston: picked up extra copies to give to every important woman in my life.

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Tom King: The the Superman and Wonder Woman.

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Tom King: I think.

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Tad Eggleston: Batman issue.

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Tad Eggleston: That was just, that was perfection, that was, that was perfection.

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Tom King: My my daughter and I.

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Tom King: You know, 2 friends just.

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Tad Eggleston: Spending the day together.

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Tom King: My my daughter and I. My daughter is 14, and and I were

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Tom King: We're debating this. I was like, I was like, I have this issue, and it's going to be superman and wonder. Woman, I have no idea what it's supposed to be. And so I was like, Let I was gonna talk to my daughter, but I just have to talk to her something. And so we were kind of going through ideas, and as we were, we were shopping for her cousin for her birthday. We were in New Mexico, where my father lives.

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Tom King: and you're just kind of going through all sort of the shops, you know, in the center there. And I was like, what if we just did this? And she's like what? And she's like what I was like it'll just be like, you know, Superman. Wonder, woman, they go shopping together for a present, and my daughter's like that's the stupidest idea you've ever had. That's not a concept. And I was like, no, you understand, it'll be Batman's present, and they're like, no, this is never going to work. So I just wrote it to prove my daughter wrong.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, Tom, my probably 4 favorite superhero issues that you have ever written.

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Tyler Johnson: Take place, say.

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Tad Eggleston: At the Mall

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Tad Eggleston: the Fair, and the day before, when they're talking to each other about going to the fair.

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Tad Eggleston: and in a phone booth.

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Tom King: Calling Earth from a billion miles away. There you go.

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Tom King: Yeah, I love that stuff. Clay and I are trying right now to figure out a way to do a sequel to double date. I think I could pull him in.

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Tad Eggleston: I would be happy to see it, because.

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Tyler Johnson: My favorites.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's it's what makes

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Tad Eggleston: Tom King's superhero Book special is you make them.

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Tad Eggleston: perhaps more than anybody else, very human beings, with faults and desires, and

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Tad Eggleston: good days and bad days, and and

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Tad Eggleston: you know, rather than just being the larger than life. They can do anything. I mean, they're that sometimes, too. But they're also just people who are trying to do the best that they can.

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Tad Eggleston: and the best that they know how.

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Tom King: Yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: And I think that like really resonates with me.

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Tom King: I deeply appreciate that. I think it's probably the what I've done or like. My.

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Tom King: my great, greatest theme in comics is this the dumb concept that that everyone is human, you know.

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Tom King: I I would say that.

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Tad Eggleston: Dumb concept at all.

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Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think we have a lot of trouble with that concept in this nation in this world.

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Tom King: I always say that Hick, John Hickman and I are like the the opposite writers, and I love John's stuff.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tom King: But like he takes superheroes, and he brings them up into heaven, so that when they're talking you feel like I mean, he literally wrote a book called Gods. But if he feels like a book where

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Tom King: you feel like you're eavesdropping on 2 gods talking when his Captain America talks to spire.

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Tom King: And even I just read Ultimate Fireman, which is a much more grounded John Hickman book. But even that, like it, starts off with Peter, being sort of normal and realizing. I don't feel right like there's something wrong about me. I'm not just human. I'm something more special than human.

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Tom King: And it's this idea. He's always pulling people into the clouds which I love about it, and I'm always like taking these people in the clouds and squishing them back down to earth and being like no, you're actually just as small as we are. So I feel like the 2 of us are kind of bizarre mirror, bizarro mirror images of each other.

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Tyler Johnson: That's true. Like when he did with the X-men stuff with the quiet council. Right?

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tyler Johnson: Like, these guys were like he more than mutants, you know.

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Tom King: Yeah, you always feel like you're you're on Mount Olympus with his characters and and and they're talking. And there's there's something.

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Tad Eggleston: I. I think that's also why I

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Tad Eggleston: and I also love Hickman, but I have to read him in chunks, and I have to be in the right mood.

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Tad Eggleston: Reading Hickman to me is similar to reading Alan Moore, or similar to reading Dickens or or Salman Rushdie, where you know, I know that I'm gonna have to

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Tad Eggleston: focus on a different level. I don't want to think and say, think on a different level, because I think I actually think more

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Tad Eggleston: with with some of your books, a lot of books, because I've got more room to think

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Tad Eggleston: with Hickman. The thinking has to be about what he's making me think about, not what he's inspiring me to think about. Interesting makes sense. Yeah, which doesn't make it bad. It's just a different experience.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah, there's a lot, you see.

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Tad Eggleston: Has so much going on that you have to

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Tad Eggleston: have to unpack and figure out.

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Tyler Johnson: You gotta.

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Tad Eggleston: In.

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Tyler Johnson: You have to put it in the back of your mind for several years, because it'll come out, you know, top of mind.

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Tad Eggleston: Which is again, is why I prefer to do it in big chunks.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tom King: What I admired Hickman is like. It's just his his, you know.

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Tom King: page to page panel work. I love him, and I think some of his. I just told him, thanks, guys, but some of his human moments are the best. The thing I've always been most jealous of Pigman for is, you know, after the human torch died, when he did that thing where, like Hulk and Thor come down to the thing, and it's a silent issue. And you see the thing kind of just like getting his anger out blowing, you know, trying to hit Hulk and Thor as hard as he can to sort of.

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Tad Eggleston: Get the frustration I was like, oh, that's such a genius idea! And like like he, he does those little human moments as much as I just. I'm reversing everything I just said. That's what Hickman does that I was like, man. That's that sucks. You have that gear, too. Fuck you, you know you can do both.

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Tom King: My gear. Yeah, get out! Get out of my!

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Tom King: That's what I heard.

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Tom King: Oh, good!

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Tom King: Stay in your lane, Hickman. That's supposed to be the back.

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Tad Eggleston: Story that I write for you.

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Tom King: That's right.

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Tom King: That's exactly it.

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Tad Eggleston: Don't you know, I have kids to feed.

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Tom King: 1st thing I say to him when I see him.

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Tom King: Oh,

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Tad Eggleston: Oh!

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Tom King: But yeah, yeah, I appreciate the love for Archie. That was a very fun thing to do. I remember I was like it was the dumbest story ever art. They flip a coin.

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Tom King: and I asked my kids I was like, has Rt. Ever flipped a coin to decide between Betty and Veronica, and they're like, No, and my kids would be the only people who would know the answer to that, except for Mike Perlotta, who runs the company so as soon as they said that. No, that I knew I could do it, and what I would, you know, just because we talk about deep shit, but, like I do like the idea of the end of that episode where it's like he's kicking the can down the road because this decision will never get made. You know he's he's like Crazy Cat. He's going to keep throwing that brick, and he's never gonna

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Tom King: get the rat to fall in love with him. You know it's it's there's there's. There is something a little profound about Archie's endless quest. He's a little bit Sisyphus, a little bit waiting for Godot and and and I just

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Tom King: it was for Jamie Rich. Who's the A big time editor for a lot of different companies? He texted me. He's like. I had no idea who wrote this, Archie, until I got to the end, and there was there was at least one Kierkegaard quote, and I was like, oh, this is Tom. So

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Tom King: I was like, I knew you could bring existential dread into there somewhere. I was like, yeah, it's me

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Tom King: signed my name to it. So yeah, yeah, I adored writing that, Archie. I just today got in the mail. Dan Parent, who is an actual, an actual living legend. He's been drawing Archie for almost 40 years

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Tom King: and started out as Dan Dicarlo, who's the greatest Archie artist of all time. So it's like Dan Dicarlo, is a great hand man, so he's like

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Tom King: the inheritor, you know the guy who stands on the shoulders. And so he drew that story, and he sent me the page. Obviously, my kids are big fans. He drew my kids into the book.

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Tad Eggleston: Nice.

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Tom King: All 3 of my kids are there, and so he sent me the page, all with all my kids on. I got the mail today, and it's maybe one of my and my my wife, Liz. She's like, finally, you bought some art I actually like. So.

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Tad Eggleston: So yeah. So he made you pay for it does not.

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Tom King: He didn't make me pay. He sent it.

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Tad Eggleston: Ha! Ha! Ha!

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Tyler Johnson: Does your wife let you decorate the house with comic book art? Or is it designated.

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Tad Eggleston: Or do you have.

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Tom King: No, it is areas. No.

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Tom King: So I have a designated area. I have this. I don't know if you can see my office is wall to wall Comp. A car. And I have, I think.

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Tom King: one or 2 things that leak out. There's I have I bought from this I did pay for from Mitch. He he did this. This issue we did with Jp. Lee.

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Tom King: John Paul before he died, or Batman Christmas Special. And Mitch did this beautiful sort of page of batman and catwoman kissing under a Christmas tree. And it's just absolutely gorgeous. I bought that from Mitch as soon as I saw it, and that's framed into my living room. It's 1 of the rare ones that's come out that comes out. And then I mean, I have some art that. Oh, and I have.

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Tom King: because we're talking about it. I I live in a I live in a row house in downtown. DC. So my house very long. It's like a train.

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Tom King: And so that means I have these like long walls that run like 70 feet

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Tom King: one way. And my kids were so into Archie. They just were like, I said, they're addicted to it. And so I started buying Archie Art because it's beautiful. So I bought a ton of Archie Art and I decorated an entire wall of my house with 71 Archie pieces. So there is a it's like it looks like a.

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Tad Eggleston: Archie Hallway.

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Tom King: There's an Archie Hallway that stretches right outside my door where I just walk past it. And it's like.

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Tom King: you know, it's like whatever 11 complete Archie stories from the fifties and Sixties.

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Tad Eggleston: Nice.

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Tom King: On the wall.

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Tyler Johnson: That's great!

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Tad Eggleston: That's cool.

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Tom King: That's cool.

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Tom King: If you're in my house, you can see my huge Archie. Wall, it's it's it's.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, the next time in DC, you just have to answer your phone.

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Tyler Johnson: I was there not too long ago, my cousin we had a funeral for my cousin.

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Tad Eggleston: I tried to get a hold of you the last time I was in DC.

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Tom King: I'm sure I was. Oh, shit! I have too much work. If I respond to this, I won't. If I'm in DC. I'm either working or taking care of the kids. So.

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Tad Eggleston: Totally, understand.

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Tom King: Easier to find in La.

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Tad Eggleston: But but you know I'm I'm a teacher. I could probably make your kids laugh.

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Tom King: I'm sure you I can probably make him laugh.

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Tom King: although they're getting older. Yeah, if I gotta. Oh, my! My son's turned 16. My God!

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Tad Eggleston: I teach high school.

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Tom King: No, there you look perfect.

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Tom King: What do you teach in high school? I don't know.

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Tad Eggleston: I'm a special Ed teacher.

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Tom King: Oh, that's odd! That's what's my dad was. My dad was a special Ed high school teacher.

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Tom King: and my mother. My mother was a special Ed elementary school teacher before she went back to get her law degree. So when I was a little.

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Tad Eggleston: So she went from special Ed elementary to Vp. At.

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Tad Eggleston: Was it universal.

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Tom King: Yes, my Warner brothers.

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Tad Eggleston: Warner Brothers.

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Tom King: And hey she was. She was a P. By the end. So she was.

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Tad Eggleston: President by the end. Okay, so that that's a big jump.

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Tom King: That is. Yeah. My mother had a super weird life. She

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Tom King: yeah, she she she she you know she was a hippie

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Tom King: against the war and all that stuff, and then she be. She's wanted like save the world. And so she became. Yes, a special Ed, you know, she worked with like kids 6 year old kids who had mental disabilities back in the in the seventies.

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Tom King: And then she had my brother and I. And then, when I was little, she was just. It was just too much on, like the emotional stress was too much, and she wanted she couldn't take it. She did it for 10 years. This is the story she told, and so she applied for fucking Harvard Law School. Her marriage was falling apart, and then she took us all. She took us 2 kids, I mean. She went to Harvard Law School when I was a little guy.

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Tom King: and she she was in her thirties, and she changed.

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Tad Eggleston: So so you grew up as a Harvard brat is what you're saying.

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Tom King: I went to Harvard Law Preschool. That was my pre. The name of my preschool was Harvard Law.

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Tad Eggleston: Harvard, Law Preschool.

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Tom King: Yeah. It was the only time I ever got into Harvard was when I was 4

665
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Tom King: should have seen my fucking play-doh.

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Tom King: They did it sat with just Play-doh was fucking. I nailed that one.

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Tom King: Write it.

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Tom King: Yeah. So so that's that's I grew up a little bit in Cambridge when I was a little guy I don't really remember. Then we moved back to La, and she kind of slowly climbed up

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Tom King: corporate ladder and studio system.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. So you just wrapped up couple of stories that are

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Tad Eggleston: so hard to rank the stories that you've written.

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Tom King: A lot of stuff.

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Tad Eggleston: Favorites because they're just all so fucking good.

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Tad Eggleston: But the 2 recently wrapped and I'll let you choose which one to talk about 1st are

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Tad Eggleston: animal. Pound a couple of months ago, and.

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Tom King: Oh, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Hell hell in a windhorn just this week.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah, Howard could weigh in if I could weigh in. We've talked about animal pound in the past.

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Tom King: But we have not talked about Helena Windhorn.

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Tom King: Let's talk about Helen of wind.

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Tad Eggleston: Talked about both because we got Helena Windhorn right before the last time we talked to him. But we haven't talked to either since they finished. But I'm all for Helen first.st

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Tom King: Please let's talk about Helen. I think it's the most beautiful book on the stand.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, my God!

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Tom King: I think it's and I apologize because I work with some of these artists, and some of them are my best friends. But I just think what Bilcus and Lopez did on that book is just beyond I just they're they're they're young Titans, those 2.

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Tom King: And they I wrote. I wrote them a note after issue 5, which is a random issue, because it's not even the

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Tom King: it's the penultimate issue. And I was like, I think this might be the best comic art I've ever seen on a comic book.

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Tom King: I was like, I cannot believe how good the art is on this book. Don't tell Mitch I said that, because obviously he's my favorite. But

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Tom King: But yeah, I was just blown away by what they did. That's that's much like human target. That's an art book. Buy it for the art, and then the story will take you where you want to go. But just look at how fucking beautiful it is.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, it is. It's gorgeous.

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Tad Eggleston: And obviously Robert E. Howard inspired.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, what else goes into that.

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Tom King: I mean, this was very much a peanut butter, chocolate kind of thing where at the time I was

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Tom King: I was reading Wuthering heights, and

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Tom King: I was a little bit just just like I get obsessed with kind of like how people tell stories and whether I can tell a story in that genre, and what was once big or small, and I was kind of obsessed with this idea of like what Gothic romance was, especially in the sixties and seventies, when, like there were so many paperbacks that were just like the same paperback where it was a girl running away from a castle, you know, or a big fancy house somewhere in New England.

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Tom King: And and so I read this for the height of that which is Wuthering Heights, you know. Obviously it's called Windhorn House, Wuthering Heights. It's that wh repeat

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Tyler Johnson: Yep.

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Tom King: And so I wanted to do something in that. I wanted to do something with sort of Gothic romance, or what's awesome sort of about that genre of like a young woman coming into a very strange house where she has to solve a mystery. I think it's why is that so appealing, you know. Sort of Rebecca like Hitchcock. Rebecca, you know.

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Tad Eggleston: Right.

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Tom King: And

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Tom King: and at that same time I was also reading a ton of Conan comics, just the Roy Thomas classic, Conan's yeah, John Buscema.

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Tom King: and and it's just loving them, being like, Oh, my God! I just love disappearing into this stuff. And I

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Tom King: and and so those were my 2 obsessions. And then I you know, after supergirl, I was like Lucas. Whatever you want to do, I'll do anything you

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Tom King: you want to do a superhero, any superhero. You want to go to marvel, fuck it! I'll tear my contract like like whatever you want.

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Tom King: I will do it. And she sent me so she's like I want to do an indie thing. And she sent me a like a vision board of what she wanted to work on. And it was all this kind of 19 thirties, more kind of pulpy imagery, and, you know, stuff like kind of Frazetta ish

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Tom King: stuff for lack of a better word.

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Tom King: And I was I was like.

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Tom King: this is very so. I was like, that's not exactly, Conan. Not exactly Wuthering Heights, but I dug it. And then, of course, you know you read Conan, and then you want to read about Conan. And you read about Robert how it stores. And you know you guys know this with me your audience does it? But like, when he invented an entire genre, he's 1 of the most important

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Tom King: American writers of all time.

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Tom King: And then, at 30 years old. He's super young. His mother dies. He walks to his car, takes out a gun and shoots himself in the head.

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Tom King: There's a whole movie about it with Vincent d'onofrio. If you're interested.

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Tad Eggleston: Fantastic movie.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Yeah. Bye.

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Tom King: And

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Tom King: but it's a mystery. Why would he do that? Nobody kind of quite understands? And how does that relate to his art, and who he is.

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Tom King: and and so I started searching. All those were. That was, that was the chocolate and peanut butter of it. It was the idea the Robert E. Howard story was the d. Of the Conans. You may want to tell the Conan story, and you weren't tell any weather Hyde story, and in my head. I just came up with this idea that it was about, you know, if Robert E. Howard was a little older, if he had a

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Tom King: had a daughter who had sort of witnessed this, what would her life be? And then her finding out that her father was not writing stories, but was just telling the story of his youth, and it's the story of his own father who was Conan and that became it. I was like, Oh, so this is about a grandfather and a granddaughter, and the missing generation between them.

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Tom King: and that's how it became sort of what it became. And that's how sort of Helena Windhorn was made.

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Tom King: and Helen, my my daughter, named her Helen. We're watching an old movie one day, born to kill, and that the lead characters named Helen. She's like I like Helen, and Windhorn is a little is a play on. I want it to be a W. Word. I went to my High school is called Windward, so I just took.

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Tad Eggleston: Okay.

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Tom King: School and whipped it around a blitz, so it'd be a Helen of Windhorn.

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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I

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Tad Eggleston: Helen's 1 of my favorite characters that you've written.

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Tom King: I love her. There you go!

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Tad Eggleston: I felt her pain, I felt her her strength, I felt her confusion and determination.

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Tad Eggleston: And you're bilcus just. Oh, my God!

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Tad Eggleston: I thought I thought supergirl was good.

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Tom King: Yes, she was.

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Tom King: She was off the charts with this, and she just brought a character. Yeah, I know Helen seemed just very easy to me because she was one of those one of those people who was raised by a father who didn't know he had a child, and just thought I had just thought he had a best friend.

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Tom King: and in in that way didn't sort of care about her education or bringing her up, but just cared about her as a companion.

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Tom King: and and she loved that about him. And she loved that life

731
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Tom King: and didn't realize that sort of those were.

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Tom King: you know, parts parts of his tragedy, and parts of the thing he was running away from was his inability to sort of embrace the fact that she was a child that he had to raise.

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Tom King: and so bringing that character sort of into.

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Tom King: you know, into a place where she could

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Tom King: both find herself and heal her wounds was what it was all about. So

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Tom King: yeah, she was an absolute joy to write, and I use that same. I mean the the book was intended from the very beginning, just, you know, from a commercial way, to be like, if you like, supergirl, you'll like this.

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Tom King: So I very much wanted it to be, you know.

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Tom King: a female led comic, just like supergirl is and I usually.

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Tad Eggleston: Supergirl was an unexpected story, a brilliant story, an amazing story, but but I don't.

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Tad Eggleston: I don't think there were many people that opened up that 1st supergirl issue and expected to see

741
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Tad Eggleston: true grid in space.

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Tad Eggleston: I loved it, but it wasn't what I was expecting.

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Tom King: Did I ever share my my original pitch that had Lobo in it? I've told you I meant to tell you this, sir.

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Tad Eggleston: I feel like you might have. But you can tell me again.

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Tom King: No, I won't tell you again then. But yeah, it was triggered in space. Yeah.

746
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Tom King: But I mean that that book became I don't know became, I mean, obviously, it's become a movie now. And it's my number one selling book. So

747
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Tom King: thanks thanks to the movie. But it's it. That book's such a gift, because it's

748
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Tom King: you know, when I 1st got into comics there were sort of these comics that you could give to

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Tom King: give to other people to bring them in

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Tom King: In the early odds that it was why the last man was like the big one like if someone, the why the last man or fables. It was those 2 like for the 1st trait of fables, and the 1st trait of Y.

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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tom King: And you'd give them to your you. Give them to your father, give them to your wife, give them to your brother, and be like, look, this is what comics are. And you like this. Okay, here's Preacher. Here's Sandman. You're starting to like this. Here's Grant Morrison's Jla. Now you're a superhero fan like that was like that was how it worked. And so supergirl has become that it's become like the gift people give to people who don't know comics, and I just I just. And I've utter confidence in it. It just goes out and makes friends and gets people like it. So

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Tom King: it's fun having a it's it's nice, it's it's a good book.

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Tad Eggleston: So I have to ask. You seem to leave the door open at the end of Helen for more.

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Tom King: Oh, a hundred percent. Are you kidding?

756
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Tad Eggleston: So so is this something you're planning, or just something you're hoping for.

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Tom King: I mean, it's similar to what we have with Elson love everlasting where

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Tom King: I don't know how you do, Helen, without Bilcus. So it's more her. But she's been working on Helen for since supergirl. So 4 years.

759
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Tom King: so she deserves breaks. She deserves.

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Tad Eggleston: Oh, no! Absolutely.

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Tom King: Yeah. So so it's it's the. It's

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Tom King: it's something that her and I have to work out. But to me I've opened.

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Tom King: I will. It's it's different than you know. Obviously, love everlasting is basically one story that Elsa and I have to have told half of. We tell the second half

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Tom King: the tale of sort of Othan and Helen that could go in a thousand different directions. You can tell Conan stories there. You can tell Gothic stories there you can tell fantasy stories to me. It's it's a door has opened into a world of stories where I can launch from these characters and go off in any direction I want. It's like I created my own little fantasy world. I can. I mean a fantasy world.

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Tad Eggleston: Go to college.

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Tom King: You can. Hell exactly. You can. You can have Helen, you know, be 90 years old, and and living in the early aughts, you know, like you can.

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Tad Eggleston: I actually think it would.

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Tom King: You mean.

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Tad Eggleston: Hilarious to see

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Tad Eggleston: Helen at some like prestigious college, and when the boys are jackasses to her and discover that she's a badass.

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Tom King: So much fun. I have her hang from that tree. That's a little shout out to the original Conan movie, where he just has to push the cork around for his whole life to get all his powers. She has to hang from a tree. Yeah, yeah, Helen's fucking cool. She kicks ass, and she's highly broken, which is my favorite kind of character.

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Tad Eggleston: So so, my my fingers are crossed that

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Tad Eggleston: Bilcus wants to do more at some point.

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Tad Eggleston: But but I also agree with you that

775
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Tad Eggleston: when you have a character that only one person can do

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Tad Eggleston: when they need time off, they get time off.

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Tom King: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm stupid, stupidly ambitious. I mean, I would like to do. I mean, you couldn't do it. But I'd like to have my own hellboy. You know I'd like to have sort of a world that's like

778
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Tom King: you could have different artists come in and and do different sort of chapters of it. I just haven't figured out how to how to work it, or if it's worth.

779
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Tom King: if it's worth the time, I don't know, I'll figure it out. But yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: I think it would be worth the time if you found the thing that like lit your fire.

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01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:48.470
Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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Tom King: Dude. Everything lights that sounds wrong, but.

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Tad Eggleston: No.

784
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Tom King: Whatever is in front of me makes me excited. I get excited.

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Tad Eggleston: Rephrase Tom.

786
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Tom King: And 2 men.

787
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Tad Eggleston: That's almost the problem

788
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Tad Eggleston: is because everything I mean for you to manage to to make your own hellboy. You'd have to be willing to let go of everything else for at least a couple of years.

789
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Tom King: Yeah, that's true. That's my. That is.

790
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Tad Eggleston: You'd have to be.

791
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Tom King: This is like.

792
01:06:16.610 --> 01:06:24.999
Tad Eggleston: This polio that's me so tied in that. Nope, no batman right now. Nope, no superman talk to me.

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Tom King: Okay, take care, guys.

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Tom King: And bree, I have a 20

795
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Tom King: 2. No, I have 82 more. Wonder woman's to write. It's gonna take a while.

796
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Tyler Johnson: It's gonna take a while till you get to that point.

797
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:37.950
Tad Eggleston: Well, and then you got to do your 100 superman. Didn't you say you want to do.

798
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Tom King: Yeah. And then I gotta do a hundred super bands. It's gonna take a while. And then

799
01:06:41.030 --> 01:06:48.760
Tom King: by that point, oh, yeah, I got I got a ways to go. That's right. Wonder woman is. This week I'm subscribing wonder, woman, but I'm working on lantern stuff. So next week.

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Tyler Johnson: You know you brought up

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Tyler Johnson: Oh, shoot! I just lost the title of it with Elsa. What's your book?

802
01:06:57.240 --> 01:06:58.290
Tom King: Texting, yeah.

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Tad Eggleston: Yes.

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Tyler Johnson: That is a book that I give to people that's up there with with the the fables, and the why and

805
01:07:07.600 --> 01:07:12.810
Tyler Johnson: money shot and money.

806
01:07:12.810 --> 01:07:14.500
Tad Eggleston: Shot as a way in for.

807
01:07:15.600 --> 01:07:16.460
Tyler Johnson: My brother right.

808
01:07:16.460 --> 01:07:23.530
Tyler Johnson: gave money shot to my brother just as a as almost a gag gift going. You have to read this.

809
01:07:23.850 --> 01:07:24.839
Tom King: Yeah, mice, actually.

810
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:32.080
Tad Eggleston: Goes over pretty well with real scientists to the ones that are that are actually frustrated at how hard it is to get funding.

811
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Tyler Johnson: Yeah.

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01:07:33.483 --> 01:07:38.849
Tom King: I love Sealy. He's like my brother. He's he's 1 of my best friends. So I I like I like when you show him.

813
01:07:39.870 --> 01:07:43.399
Tad Eggleston: Well, see, that's another reason to come out to Chicago for cake.

814
01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:49.510
Tom King: Acting out with Sealy anytime, and he is such a cute little girl. So yeah, but cute little daughter.

815
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:50.850
Tad Eggleston: There you go!

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Tom King: We got good pizza. All right. Fine. I'm coming to baseball. When is season this year.

817
01:07:57.562 --> 01:07:59.920
Tad Eggleston: I feel like it's April. Yeah.

818
01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:00.950
Tom King: I feel like.

819
01:08:00.950 --> 01:08:02.119
Tad Eggleston: Early this year.

820
01:08:02.590 --> 01:08:07.690
Tom King: I was going to do less. Cons. And now I'm kind of getting itchy. I want to do more. Cons now, I wanna.

821
01:08:08.030 --> 01:08:14.369
Tad Eggleston: See here, I I'm like encouraging you. Do the cons where you don't have to table, where you're just walking around, going and.

822
01:08:14.370 --> 01:08:18.429
Tom King: Oh, I like tabling, that's my new thing I do at cons. I used to.

823
01:08:18.490 --> 01:08:26.459
Tom King: I you know you go through kind of stages and cons. You know, when you 1st go there, you're just trying to desperately sell your book, and then you get. You know enough that you can get a line.

824
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Tad Eggleston: 11th to 13.th

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Tom King: For C, 2 E. 2,

826
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Tom King: I'll see what I can do. Yeah, I just what what I do cons now is I just sign all day long I sit at my table and I just sign. That's that's what I like to do. I just like to

827
01:08:38.620 --> 01:08:41.410
Tom King: to get as many fans as I can

828
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.190
Tom King: as many books as I can.

829
01:08:44.540 --> 01:08:45.160
Tom King: That's.

830
01:08:45.160 --> 01:08:45.590
Tyler Johnson: Frozen.

831
01:08:45.590 --> 01:08:54.962
Tom King: That's that's what that that's that cause you, you know you said you were like, oh, if I just do 2 HA day I can wander. I mean, I always find time to go and buy crap. Don't get me wrong. But

832
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.990
Tom King: but what what I that's my con experience now is all about

833
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:05.889
Tom King: signing books, which is I I just I really. I really like just talking to fans and and and and

834
01:09:05.970 --> 01:09:32.080
Tom King: shit, and and I get to sit. Usually I'm next to Mitch or Clay, 2 of my best friends, and we're just fucking, making fun of each other constantly, and it's just a ball. It's a blast. I love it. And I also love being with just an environment of comics. I don't know. Obviously we're going through some times right now. And I mean just to admit my own vulnerabilities like comics, feels like a great safe place. I don't know. To me it still feels like some, the community feels

835
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Tom King: very important to me, and the books feel very relevant to me and

836
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Tom King: and they have both the nostalgia factor and the ambition factor. And I just, I just like being around comics.

837
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:51.309
Tyler Johnson: In the community of artists and writers, you know, even for us, you know, as comic book commentators.

838
01:09:52.140 --> 01:09:53.929
Tyler Johnson: you know, getting to talk with

839
01:09:54.720 --> 01:10:02.260
Tyler Johnson: people in the industry. It is a very positive industry, and it is very inclusive, and it it does feel

840
01:10:02.330 --> 01:10:08.229
Tyler Johnson: safe like you said not just in the books themselves, but but in the in the community.

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01:10:09.050 --> 01:10:13.439
Tom King: Yeah, I mean, I'm probably saying too much, but I don't find

842
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:17.449
Tom King: the world to be entertained. I'm the kind of guy who, you know, like.

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01:10:17.450 --> 01:10:23.040
Tad Eggleston: Tom, this is where I'll remind you that our listeners are my mother, my brother, my friend

844
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:27.750
Tad Eggleston: Buddy Britt. So you know you can say

845
01:10:27.750 --> 01:10:31.920
Tad Eggleston: anything you want, and there's a really really good chance that nobody will know.

846
01:10:32.200 --> 01:10:44.369
Tom King: I'm the guy I love. Re. You know my whole life. I love reading the paper. I like being involved. I like knowing about what's going on. I all that's gone for me now I just I don't find the outside world to be entertaining.

847
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:45.550
Tyler Johnson: Very tough, you know.

848
01:10:45.550 --> 01:10:50.290
Tom King: And like, and but there's something freeing about that. I was like, fuck it. I don't give a fuck. I just.

849
01:10:50.330 --> 01:10:58.399
Tom King: I want to care about making something beautiful and cool, and reading my other, my friends and and other people out there who are making beautiful and cool things.

850
01:10:58.550 --> 01:11:00.690
Tom King: and that's kind of. That's kind of my attitude right now.

851
01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:02.150
Tyler Johnson: Cool.

852
01:11:02.150 --> 01:11:02.610
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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01:11:02.610 --> 01:11:08.399
Tyler Johnson: Well, that's probably a good good spot to end things, Ted. I've got to go to bed, and I.

854
01:11:08.400 --> 01:11:09.720
Tad Eggleston: Go to bed, go to.

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01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:11.090
Tom King: It's very here.

856
01:11:11.090 --> 01:11:12.030
Tad Eggleston: It's very late.

857
01:11:12.030 --> 01:11:19.140
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we haven't asked him for a book recommendation. We have to do.

858
01:11:19.140 --> 01:11:20.030
Tyler Johnson: Oh, sure!

859
01:11:20.310 --> 01:11:23.479
Tad Eggleston: Tell me something you love that not enough people

860
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:31.620
Tad Eggleston: have experienced. You need them to, so that you can talk to them about it, and then you and I can book club it, and that'll be our next time to talk.

861
01:11:31.620 --> 01:11:38.610
Tom King: I have recently been addicted to late Will Eisner.

862
01:11:39.391 --> 01:11:43.399
Tom King: So post contract with God. He did like.

863
01:11:43.890 --> 01:11:46.989
Tad Eggleston: So like the stuff he was doing with Dennis kitchen.

864
01:11:46.990 --> 01:11:50.430
Tom King: All the dentist kitchen stuff, all the stuff that's about the Bronx.

865
01:11:50.965 --> 01:12:00.049
Tom King: He did like 12 graphic novels. I've been reading them all, and I think each I haven't read one where I was like. This is one of those brilliant things I've ever read.

866
01:12:00.050 --> 01:12:01.390
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, no, I.

867
01:12:01.390 --> 01:12:07.650
Tom King: Utterly obsessed with them. If you want like, a life force comes to mind. I just read that one recently.

868
01:12:07.930 --> 01:12:08.410
Tom King: Yeah.

869
01:12:08.410 --> 01:12:17.339
Tom King: And Dropsy Street is obviously super good. The one that's about comics which I can't remember, which is just like about his youth and comics is.

870
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Tad Eggleston: My favorite collection is actually a life in comics

871
01:12:23.400 --> 01:12:26.420
Tad Eggleston: which has, I think, 3 of them that are the most

872
01:12:26.950 --> 01:12:30.140
Tad Eggleston: autobiographical. I think it's minor miracles.

873
01:12:30.610 --> 01:12:32.029
Tad Eggleston: Name of the game.

874
01:12:32.030 --> 01:12:36.190
Tom King: Yeah, name of the game is the one that's about comics. It's about like his like comic book stories.

875
01:12:36.370 --> 01:12:38.319
Tad Eggleston: Name of the game is actually

876
01:12:38.490 --> 01:12:41.949
Tad Eggleston: that that one's like half about his wife's family, though.

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Tom King: What's the name of the game? I just read the one that's that's about 3 generations of who gets married is that name of the game. I think it might.

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Tad Eggleston: Have been.

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Tom King: That would love that one. Sorry the name. I'm old man, but yeah, late Eisner, I think I mean obviously Eisner, I mean, they named the fucking award after him. But he has an amazing story. He was king of comics, and he took 30 years off to do

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Tom King: maiden.

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01:13:06.752 --> 01:13:07.720
Tad Eggleston: Except for the military.

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Tom King: Comics for the military.

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01:13:09.310 --> 01:13:14.649
Tad Eggleston: That that are. And I actually, I'm I'm semi obsessed with them because they're fascinating little.

884
01:13:14.650 --> 01:13:16.810
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah. The Ps weekly stuff is amazing.

885
01:13:16.810 --> 01:13:25.959
Tom King: It's so bizarre that this guy who is the best in our industry for most of his career, was writing like, here's a pretty girl telling you how to

886
01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:27.949
Tom King: well, I oil in a tank.

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01:13:27.950 --> 01:13:31.059
Tad Eggleston: He he had to. He had to let everybody catch up to him.

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01:13:31.240 --> 01:13:31.910
Tom King: Yeah.

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01:13:32.250 --> 01:13:38.440
Tad Eggleston: I mean is, if you look at so many of those spirit stories, the only thing

890
01:13:38.870 --> 01:13:44.669
Tad Eggleston: that really really identifies it as like a Forties book rather than an eighties book

891
01:13:45.140 --> 01:13:50.540
Tad Eggleston: is is the the racist caricature that he regrets.

892
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:53.110
Tom King: He does not threat enough. He did not.

893
01:13:53.110 --> 01:13:54.320
Tad Eggleston: Doesn't regret enough.

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01:13:54.320 --> 01:13:58.210
Tom King: He was like he was like, no, no, it was of its time. So yeah, Eisner can take some.

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Tad Eggleston: Well, I I always point to his introduction for Fagin the Jew.

896
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:09.440
Tom King: You know.

897
01:14:09.440 --> 01:14:14.639
Tad Eggleston: Where he talks about part of the reason he wrote that was as he

898
01:14:14.990 --> 01:14:22.229
Tad Eggleston: understood that he needed that, that he regretted it. As he got older he regretted it more, and he wanted to write a book

899
01:14:23.590 --> 01:14:27.570
Tad Eggleston: to try to understand how.

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01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:29.670
Tom King: It, felt.

901
01:14:31.400 --> 01:14:36.210
Tad Eggleston: So yes, he didn't regret it enough, and he certainly didn't regret it soon enough.

902
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:44.119
Tad Eggleston: but I feel like there was. There was. But that's the only, but that's the only thing that, like differentiates it from like

903
01:14:44.750 --> 01:14:46.230
Tad Eggleston: Miller daredevil.

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Tom King: Yeah, no, it's it's it's stunningly good. But but the stuff but that stuff even that I've read a ton of spirit. It's good. I like the post contract with God stuff better.

905
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Tad Eggleston: I agree.

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01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:06.880
Tom King: It feels so personal to me, and and the way he'll just do 3 panels, and you'll think you'll read a novel. I do 3 panels on a page, and I'm like there's not enough writing here

907
01:15:07.020 --> 01:15:21.489
Tom King: like like, but his feels so thick in the way he jumps time, and it's it's and the art is incomprehensible. You can. Just I could just focus on the writing because I can't understand anyone could draw that, especially in their sixties, seventies and eighties. So, yeah, that's a recommendation post

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01:15:21.630 --> 01:15:22.880
Tom King: contract with Godeyister.

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01:15:23.930 --> 01:15:24.510
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.

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01:15:24.510 --> 01:15:29.170
Tad Eggleston: So that's that's that's brilliant, brilliant, brilliant work.

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01:15:29.320 --> 01:15:29.980
Tom King: No.

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01:15:30.210 --> 01:15:33.790
Tad Eggleston: And and yeah, no, I definitely need to get an eisner.

913
01:15:35.110 --> 01:15:36.900
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this is the one that I love.

914
01:15:37.650 --> 01:15:38.579
Tyler Johnson: What are you looking at.

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01:15:38.940 --> 01:15:40.160
Tad Eggleston: I'll pull it up.

916
01:15:40.750 --> 01:15:51.539
Tad Eggleston: Life in pictures is a collection of his. Here's the button.

917
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:55.320
Tyler Johnson: They move the share button after you use it.

918
01:15:55.320 --> 01:15:56.829
Tom King: Man, just trying to throw you off.

919
01:15:57.070 --> 01:16:00.210
Tad Eggleston: Life in pictures. Here has the dreamer to the heart of.

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01:16:00.210 --> 01:16:01.560
Tom King: The dreamer. That's the one.

921
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:06.960
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, the dreamers, the comic one dreamer to the heart of the storm, and then name of the game

922
01:16:07.110 --> 01:16:09.919
Tad Eggleston: all in one volume, one hardcover volume.

923
01:16:10.430 --> 01:16:12.130
Tom King: His, his Vietnam.

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01:16:12.130 --> 01:16:15.039
Tad Eggleston: Loud. Oh, yeah. Last day in Vietnam.

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01:16:15.040 --> 01:16:17.500
Tom King: Yeah, yeah, I, I.

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Tad Eggleston: Did you see that the collected John Law.

927
01:16:21.810 --> 01:16:22.490
Tom King: Coming out.

928
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Tad Eggleston: March!

929
01:16:23.740 --> 01:16:24.570
Tom King: That's cool.

930
01:16:24.570 --> 01:16:30.869
Tad Eggleston: Both his stuff and the stuff from Gary Challoner.

931
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Tom King: Oh!

932
01:16:32.900 --> 01:16:36.409
Tad Eggleston: Did did a run on it in 2,004.

933
01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:38.499
Tom King: All being collected together.

934
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Tad Eggleston: Dennis. Kitchen Introduction.

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Tad Eggleston: Education is running.

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Tyler Johnson: All of the introductions these days.

937
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Tom King: They're doing an artist edition of of cooks.

938
01:16:49.130 --> 01:16:51.939
Tom King: spirit stuff which I think is amazing.

939
01:16:52.442 --> 01:16:57.750
Tad Eggleston: Cook's spirit stuff is absolutely amazing. Yeah.

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Tom King: Super, good.

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01:16:59.170 --> 01:17:00.240
Tad Eggleston: I'm sorry, really amazing.

942
01:17:00.240 --> 01:17:03.290
Tom King: That's Tom always, always a blast.

943
01:17:03.290 --> 01:17:04.200
Tom King: What a pleasure.

944
01:17:04.200 --> 01:17:05.870
Tad Eggleston: We can time to do it too.

945
01:17:06.270 --> 01:17:08.550
Tom King: Whenever whenever you want, let me know.

946
01:17:08.550 --> 01:17:08.870
Tad Eggleston: Well.

947
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Tyler Johnson: Doug.

948
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Tad Eggleston: We? We always say that, and then it takes us 4 months to to plan, inform.

949
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Tom King: Guy, and that

950
01:17:15.010 --> 01:17:20.990
Tom King: the Helen and and animal pound trades will be out, and I'll be pushing the fuck out of them. So give me a call.

951
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Tad Eggleston: Want to say one of them comes out on my birthday, or was that the Dark Age one of.

952
01:17:26.650 --> 01:17:28.540
Tom King: February one. That was April, so.

953
01:17:28.540 --> 01:17:33.559
Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, my birthday is March, so it must be Batman dark age that comes out on my birthday.

954
01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:38.360
Tad Eggleston: Know that they're I'm getting a great trade for my birthday from somebody.

955
01:17:38.570 --> 01:17:40.140
Tyler Johnson: From somebody. Yeah, it is true.

956
01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:45.860
Tom King: I'll send you one of these animal animal products. That book I got that book is fucking weird. So yeah, we'll talk.

957
01:17:45.860 --> 01:17:47.020
Tad Eggleston: I loved

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01:17:47.310 --> 01:17:57.159
Tad Eggleston: loved animal pound. But no, Tom, Tom, I mean yes, we need to have you plug the hell out of those. But one day. I want you to come on, and I want to like.

959
01:17:57.510 --> 01:18:00.230
Tad Eggleston: because you are such a fount of

960
01:18:01.390 --> 01:18:16.620
Tad Eggleston: you. You love comics the way we love comics the way I love comics. You read them voraciously. You go down rabbit holes. We need to pick a book, whether it's an eisner or something else, and read it together, and just like fall down the rabbit hole. That's what I want to do. One of these.

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Tom King: Fall down. I'm in. Let's do it.

962
01:18:19.030 --> 01:18:19.840
Tyler Johnson: Sounds, cool.

963
01:18:20.150 --> 01:18:27.160
Tad Eggleston: So we'll figure that out. I'll I'll I'll email you. I'll get in touch with Mandy. That sort of thing.

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Tom King: Sounds good.

965
01:18:29.150 --> 01:18:43.309
Tad Eggleston: and and I'll let you do your writing, too, because that that's where we run into problems. You keep saying yes to all of the writing gigs, and that leaves you no time for podcasts. Don't you know that this is the important part of your job, Tom? The part that pays.

966
01:18:43.310 --> 01:18:44.990
Tom King: Now you tell me. No, that's

967
01:18:44.990 --> 01:18:50.150
Tom King: that's the best part of my job, and I appreciate I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. It means the world.

968
01:18:50.150 --> 01:18:50.990
Tom King: That's right.

969
01:18:51.320 --> 01:18:54.219
Tom King: All right. Guys have a good night. Go to sleep.

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01:18:54.370 --> 01:18:59.729
Tyler Johnson: All right. I'm going to get out of here. Thanks for listening, everybody, and we'll catch you guys after the next page.

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Tyler Johnson: Later.

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Tom King: There!